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Originally Posted by VENOMOUS1 RACING Our scoop extracts heat, doesn't take cool air in!! This is the problem with volant. ...



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Our scoop extracts heat, doesn't take cool air in!! This is the problem with volant. Poorly designed and just a sales gimmick.
Do your diligence and do and search of this site re; CAI and OEM CAI.

The SRT team did NOT put a restrictive intake on these trucks. You may obtain more intake noise from an aftermarket CAI, however, it will not be as cool (temperature) as the stock ambient draw.

Like V1 stated above, there are other benefits to the hood scoop when it comes to engine bay hot air evacuation. It also allows the front splitter to work optimally. Good luck with your choice.
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The hood scoop is under negative pressure when moving. This allows hot air to escape. The truck was designed this way, trying to use it as a cold air intake is counter intuitive. You can research this yourself. Stock air box plus k and n panel filter is more than sufficient.
Others offer a cold air intakes, they look good sound nice, but most likely suck hot air underway. The result is computer pulling timing as the intake temp rises. This never produces more power.
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Yup! Timing starts to get pulled at 104 F intake temp.
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The hood scoop is under negative pressure when moving. This allows hot air to escape. The truck was designed this way, trying to use it as a cold air intake is counter intuitive. You can research this yourself. Stock air box plus k and n panel filter is more than sufficient.
Others offer a cold air intakes, they look good sound nice, but most likely suck hot air underway. The result is computer pulling timing as the intake temp rises. This never produces more power.
My truck pulled noticeably harder when I installed the K&N intake.
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My truck pulled noticeably harder when I installed the K&N intake.
Placebo Effect. (Intake noise)

I'd challenge anyone with a side by side comparison. K&N CAI vs. Stock Intake with front block off scoop in place of course. I'd see two things, the OEM intake would have an over all cooler intake temp...ESPECIALLY when underway. It simply does not draw from the engine compartment in any way. Once underway, with similarly prepped / mod'ed trucks, the stock intake would allow the engine to produce optimal power to pull away, especially over 100 mph.

CAI's make more noise and maybe a better number in a static dyno situation. However, that's not the real world with the hood closed and moving down the road. If you want more intake noise on a stock set up, pull off the sound damper pad on the inner fender baffle

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Someone send me a stock setup I’ll give it a try
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Placebo Effect. (Intake noise)

I'd challenge anyone with a side by side comparison. K&N CAI vs. Stock Intake with front block off scoop in place of course. I'd see two things, the OEM intake would have an over all cooler intake temp...ESPECIALLY when underway. It simply does not draw from the engine compartment in any way. Once underway, with similarly prepped / mod'ed trucks, the stock intake would allow the engine to produce optimal power to pull away, especially over 100 mph.

CAI's make more noise and maybe a better number in a static dyno situation. However, that's not the real world with the hood closed and moving down the road. If you want more intake noise on a stock set up, pull off the sound damper pad on the inner fender baffle

Cheers!
Respectfully I disagree.

You ever see the K&N display at an auto parts store that has the filter and a ping pong ball thing? Put a stock cloth filter over it and the ball goes to the bottom. Put the K&N and the all goes to the top.

K&N filters at least flow better.
There is a pretty long running debate right now on the Viper forum about the K&N filter. A guy recently had his car dynoed with a stock filter and the K&N and picked up 10whp with a back to back dyno.

The K&N intake has a bigger tube and no ripples. Also a much larger surface area. The heat shield works. It does a great job keeping the heat away from the filter.
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Respectfully I disagree.

You ever see the K&N display at an auto parts store that has the filter and a ping pong ball thing? Put a stock cloth filter over it and the ball goes to the bottom. Put the K&N and the all goes to the top.

K&N filters at least flow better.
There is a pretty long running debate right now on the Viper forum about the K&N filter. A guy recently had his car dynoed with a stock filter and the K&N and picked up 10whp with a back to back dyno.

The K&N intake has a bigger tube and no ripples. Also a much larger surface area. The heat shield works. It does a great job keeping the heat away from the filter.
I will agree that the K&N filer media is hands down an improvement in flow. I run a drop in in my stock set up. It has been stated here that it is worth something like 5-8 h.p. in the stock air box. Where I begin to challenge the CAI kits is in overall improvement in CFM flow and intake temperature. The K&N tube and filter may be larger in dia and area. Question is, is it necessary? The OEM intake tube from the HUGE airbox has an inside dia. of 105 mm. It is around 8,659 mm in area. The stock TB has a total of 6,636 mm in area. So the tube has more than enough volume capacity to feed the engine. Even the BBK 67 mm TB that produces decent gains though out the RPM range has a total area of 7,051 mm. Again, the OEM tube is more than big enough to feed the TB and Engine without even addressing velocity. The flex ribs or "ripples" as you call em' do not protrude into the air stream. They do not mirror what you see on the outside of the tube. The individual grooves are so shallow that they have little effect on laminar flow. Take a look sometime, it's actually made quite well. Finally, all the CAI heat shields I've seen do not seal off the engine bay air as effectively as the OEM drawing from the inner fender. With the grill block off scoop in place, more than enough outside ambient air is being fed into the fender for the engine to draw its 745 CFM* from. *(6K RPM at .85 VE)

So basically, the OEM CAI is more than sufficient and can draw cooler air. I typically see about 6 degrees over ambient under all conditions with thorough heat soak when rolling.

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I will agree that the K&N filer media is hands down an improvement in flow. I run a drop in in my stock set up. It has been stated here that it is worth something like 5-8 h.p. in the stock air box. Where I begin to challenge the CAI kits is in overall improvement in CFM flow and intake temperature. The K&N tube and filter may be larger in dia and area. Question is, is it necessary? The OEM intake tube from the HUGE airbox has an inside dia. of 105 mm. It is around 8,659 mm in area. The stock TB has a total of 6,636 mm in area. So the tube has more than enough volume capacity to feed the engine. Even the BBK 67 mm TB that produces decent gains though out the RPM range has a total area of 7,051 mm. Again, the OEM tube is more than big enough to feed the TB and Engine without even addressing velocity. The flex ribs or "ripples" as you call em' do not protrude into the air stream. They do not mirror what you see on the outside of the tube. The individual grooves are so shallow that they have little effect on laminar flow. Take a look sometime, it's actually made quite well. Finally, all the CAI heat shields I've seen do not seal off the engine bay air as effectively as the OEM drawing from the inner fender. With the grill block off scoop in place, more than enough outside ambient air is being fed into the fender for the engine to draw its 745 CFM* from. *(6K RPM at .85 VE)

So basically, the OEM CAI is more than sufficient and can draw cooler air. I typically see about 6 degrees over ambient under all conditions with thorough heat soak when rolling.

Cheers!

Truck feels faster. Truck sounds better. Visually the K&N looks 100% better than that stock box and ugly tube. I'll gladly take my "placebo" if that's what it is.
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I think the stock airbox would be fine with a drop in, IF you remove the sound resonator and replace the ribbed tubing with a composite piece of the same diameter , again just thinking out loud here
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