The need for a better CAI

How about someone fabricating a functional intake manifold spacer to raise the manifold to the roe supercharger height. This will get u over the radiator & would increase the manifold runners. From what I understand longer runners would also give u low down torque. Just throwing ideas out there.
 
Yeh exactly something pulling cold air, and no open compartment in the engine bay at all... kinda like the one on yours.. thats the ticket.. only outside air, no hot air from under hood...


505'sFastestViper. said:
some kind of fan pulling the hot air out from the engine comp......you act like everything is sealed tight you have alot oh air flow going though the engine comp.....but what about actuall wrapping headers and such to get the eng com coolerbut if you look at jmbs it has a box so your just not pulling cold air in ....what about putting a hole in the bottom of the box and having a tube go fro the lower valance to the hole in the box cold fresh air simple simple simple
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I think if we can get JMB (or someone) to fab a "smooth tube" from the stock box to the throttle body, it might make good power. The box is a decent design that feeds air straight from the grill. :dontknow:
 
I have thought the same thing....just not a fan of the stock air box. Having it dipped by Eddie would make it look better....just not as good looking as a CAI. I do like the ideas being thrown around here.
 
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Could it be possible to use the box off of the K&N dual for the viper and make piping up to that point or is the Ram scoop too far back?
 
[email protected] said:
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Could it be possible to use the box off of the K&N dual for the viper and make piping up to that point or is the Ram scoop too far back?
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Why do you want dual intake so bad? You could swap to a Gen II intake manifold and then you would have to but I don't see the reason to have two intakes going into one throttle body. To me it doesn't make sense unless maybe you want to run twin turbos or something...
 
BecauseRacetruck said:
Why do you want dual intake so bad? You could swap to a Gen II intake manifold and then you would have to but I don't see the reason to have two intakes going into one throttle body. To me it doesn't make sense unless maybe you want to run twin turbos or something...
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I wasnt talking about the Dual Filter but just the box to suck straight from the ram instead of voliant style which is going around your elbow to get to your :bootyshake:

If you are looking for an extremly cold intake then just use a cryo2. Ive used them and you'll get a noticible gain especially if you are living somewhere like Florida... its hot as heck down here.
 
BecauseRacetruck said:
Why do you want dual intake so bad? You could swap to a Gen II intake manifold and then you would have to but I don't see the reason to have two intakes going into one throttle body. To me it doesn't make sense unless maybe you want to run twin turbos or something...
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the dual is just to keep it short . difficult to mount a single infront of the rad. With a shorter rad,this concept could work! Maybe a larger/wide 180* bend with a sealed to the underhood scoop assembly?!! Like the old airgrabber flipup style
 
Slitherbeast said:
the dual is just to keep it short . difficult to mount a single infront of the rad. With a shorter rad,this concept could work! Maybe a larger/wide 180* bend with a sealed to the underhood scoop assembly?!! Like the old airgrabber flipup style
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Once i get my hands on a ram srt 10 im gonna fool around and see what it would take to make it, probably just use brackets mounted to the top radiator bracket to push the intake further back to come flush up to the ram scoop
 
Slitherbeast said:
Jmb designed a rad that Prof is trying out. Not sure if it is working for him or not but justin is an amazing fabricator! Should ask him if he has time to look into a shorter rad idea and front shot CAI system. Short rads are ok if you add another pass. Eg, thicker core but shorter.
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What you described for the front shot CAI is exactly what Dodge did for the concept SRT-10 truck, circa 2002. They used a shorter intake tube setup similar to the Viper car and had the intake filter box located at the radiator support. I had a picture of it some where but can't find it. It looked good but not sure how it actually functioned as Dodge went with our current OEM setup for the production vehicles. I assume there were performance/environmental (temperature, water infiltration, etc.), air flow and pressure concerns that warranted the production setup.
 
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Found it!
I got a message from one of the VTCOA members saying that it wont work because of how the scoop sits the air doesnt feed into the ram air scoop

ill have to get a JTVSP hood in a wind tunnel for some testing when i get the truck and decide to go from there or not. I still think its gonna force the air down because it will create negative pressure on that scoop causing the air to split down the path of least resistance and depending on the CFM flow it might work
 
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[email protected] said:
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Found it!
I got a message from one of the VTCOA members saying that it wont work because of how the scoop sits the air doesnt feed into the ram air scoop

ill have to get a JTVSP hood in a wind tunnel for some testing when i get the truck and decide to go from there or not. I still think its gonna force the air down because it will create negative pressure on that scoop causing the air to split down the path of least resistance and depending on the CFM flow it might work
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hell of a set up:rock::rock::rock: love the intake & valve covers:rock:

let me put my $.02 in.

Justin designed & built a simple CAI system for our trucks. its the best lookin, shortest, smoothest CAI for our trucks. way more options than any other system on or off the market. it gets its air from the coolest part of the truck & ducts it past a small area of heat to the engine.
as stated the factory box with a drop in filter, a smooth pipe would be great, does as good if not better than any CAI out there. we are talkin a hand full of ponies of possibile gain/loss. so what? how often & how long does any one here run WFO??? ya runnin the 24 hr LeMan's????
all of our bolt on mods are for PEAK/WOT horsepower. not at idle or part throttle.
seems like if one is so concerned bout an intake system, might as well go juice or FI.

just the way Falcon presented his opion & the way i took it made me a little "pissy" thanks for listenin/readin:rock:
 
Meant no disprespect to Justin and the JMB crew....they made a gorgeous intake for our truck. All of this, as once said before, is just speculation. This is all from the 100+ times that I have seen someone on this forum say that the stock intake outperforms any available CAI. Yes, it is only a few HP at the most. But, I am sure the JMB crew saw the Mopar CAI and said "We can make a better one" so that is all this is. Speculation that might drive some improvement. Wouldn't it be ideal to have the looks of a JMB CAI that would perform the same or even better than the stocker? Again, this is all speculation, no proof, just going by what many others have said before me.
 
No properly designed intake whether stock or aftermarket is going to make much if any difference. We had a customer who dynoed his heads/cam truck with open throttle body, zero restriction vs. my air intake and mine actually made 2hp more just because of reduced turbulence. I designed and built an affordable simple setup, I could make something more elaborate and possibly pick up a little more cold air at speed, but at a considerable increase in cost (and increase in weight). Sometimes things are over thought and air intakes on these trucks are definitely one of those things IMO.
Justin
 
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