How much $$ to get 700 RWHP?

We all want a TT setup. Probably almost every member on this forum wants FI of some variety. The issue, IMO, isn't so much the cost of the FI package, it's the 100 other things that have to get upgraded so that the FI isn't all for not. Example: A quad cab 10 is at a minimum going to need a built tranny if it hopes to remain driveable for any amount of time. That's costly. Traction is always going to be an issue, so there's potential for purchasing upgrades there as well (caltracs, different tires, etc). Then factor in cost of tuning, labor, installing extra gauges (boost and AFR at a minimum), upgrading exhaust for a turbo setup, etc. If you can produce a kit that works with stock internals then you will certainly be ahead of the game, as most of us would at least want that. But more than likely most of your pool of customers is going to be RC 10's since their tranny can handle more power than us 4 door guys.

Well, I can certainly see where you are coming from. Who says that you have to do all the mods at once?

Back in the day, I twin turboed a cast piston Gen 2(1996-2002)Viper. Before the build, we targeted about 650-700RWHP. The car responded very well and we leak down tested it frequently and it did great! On subsequent builds, we were able to run 15 PSI(~950 RWHP) on 93 and water-meth. That car raped GSXR1000's on the highway. It would put 20 cars on the GSXR from 80-180MPH!

Back at that time, we had to go slowly to see what the motor would handle.

At this time, we ALREADY know what the motor can handle as documented with Britospeed's 2003 SRT-10 that has made 800 Mustang dyno RWHP for the last 20,000 miles. Most cars that make close to 1000 RWHP on a dyno jet make closer to 800 RWHP on his dyno. Brito has a full CNC machine shop and is a master at data acquisition. He has tuned every single load cell at steady state to the threshold of knock throughout the RPM range and knows exactly how much timing to put at all RPM. He does more high end Ford GT's and exotics, but he would be the person I would get the tunes from for the twin turbo SRT Trucks.

Ok, so the transmissions on the 4-doors cannot hold as much power as the RC 10's.

Are there not still guys running 650 RWHP blower packages on the quad cabs?

At the beginning of the Viper program, there were only headers and exhaust, then heads and cam or nitrous available. Then superchargers came along, then turbos. Engine management options became more powerful and cheaper as time progresses.....

There is a big problem for being the first and having the latest and greatest everywhere along the time line from inception to the current level of progression.

Just think of the guy who who bought headers and exhaust and a rear end gear from Hennessey for 12K installed. They picked up 50 RWHP. Then that same guy could send his car to Hennessey to get heads and cam plus a bump in compression to go with the headers for 35K and pick up another maybe 100 RWHP. Now when superchargers came out in the time line, the guy who spent almost 50K for 150 RWHP will most likely get spanked by the guy who gets the blower package for 10-12K installed(at least until the blower heat soaks). If the NA guy wants a blower, he needs to sell his milled heads and get another set of heads and either get them ported to what he had before but with lower compression/etc....) The first guy has obviously wasted a lot of money to get a blower on top of his prior mods....

I always hate to see this kind of waste of money.....

Now turbos come out and at the same RWHP level, the engine does not need to make the additional power it did to drive the supercharger. Turbos can also be quieter and stealthier if desired and have electric or boost actuated cut outs if somebody wants to be stealthy but also be able to hear hear the monster turbo whoosh at the flip of a switch!

Now let's fast forward to today.....

1. As stated above, we know how much the SRT Viper Truck motor can handle power wise with one of Brito's tunes.

2. Brito's SCT steady state every single load cell tuned Mustang dyno tunes have a proven track record to allow the engine to live at a power level of roughly 1000 RWHP as measured on a typical Dyno Jet.

3. I have a super compact cast Viper turbo manifold that lends itself to making a super attractive top mount twin turbo system for the SRT ViperTruck.

4. I have designed and fabricated many twin turbo systems in the tight Viper engine compartment. This truck engine compartment has more space available to make a simple, highly functional turbo system that would lend itself very favorably to daily driving.

5. Customer can jump right to the top of the FI food chain with whatever level of accompanying mods they have and run the power accordingly. Start off at 600 or 650 RWHP and see, feel and measure how much faster this is than a supercharged setup with similar peak HP numbers.

I have wanted to go FI since I bought my truck last October. Only thing holding me back is the fact that if I want a reliable FI daily driver, I need forged internals to feel comfortable putting the daily driver stress on the engine. I just dont have the spare 20k laying around to do forged internals and FI....yet.

#'s 1-5 above should answer everything.

Consider the fact that it takes close to 100 HP to spin the blower.

Consider how many guys are running 650 RWHP on stock internals with the proper tune.

The same truck with a twin turbo setup running 650 RWHP will make more area under the curve than a blower setup and be easier on the engine. There are also many options in terms of exhaust housing options that will allow up to make the power come on quickly like a Roe twin screw(Tough on drive line) or allow the power to come in more gradually like a Paxton(easier on the drive line). I prefer the power coming on in a more linear fashion because it is easier to hook up and of course, easier on the driveline.

So with all this being said, is there nobody who wants to get a prototype twin turbo setup for 10K? This is not my first rodeo......:drool:

Somebody step up so I can get the show on the road and become a vendor here and make an awesome twin turbo package for the SRT Viper truck!
 
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1. As stated above, we know how much the SRT Viper Truck motor can handle power wise with one of Brito's tunes.

So with all this being said, is there nobody who wants to get a prototype twin turbo setup for 10K? This is not my first rodeo......:drool:

I thought Brito had a Viper car, not a Viper truck? Doesn't the extra 2000 pounds of vehicle weight drastically effect how much power you can reliably build? I would think that asking the engine to move the extra weight adds a tremendous amount of stress to the rotating assembly.

That being said, 10k, turn key, is very appealing.
 
I thought Brito had a Viper car, not a Viper truck? Doesn't the extra 2000 pounds of vehicle weight drastically effect how much power you can reliably build? I would think that asking the engine to move the extra weight adds a tremendous amount of stress to the rotating assembly.

That being said, 10k, turn key, is very appealing.

I never said turn key, I said the turbo system. I have seen blower packages in the 7-8K plus fuel and ECU.

Brito has a car, not a truck but the engine is the same. The additional weight will certainly make the turbos spool more quickly. Maybe a bit more stress, but like I said he has made the equivalent of 1000 RWHP on a dyno jet. I do not think 650-700 RWHP on a dyno jet for the trucks is too much.

yeah..ill get right to the bank to dish out 10k for a prototype so you can become a vendor and start making money......

Hey, in previous posts people told me unless I am selling something for under $100.00 not to bother.

Unless there is some interest, it does not make business sense to spend the money to be a vendor.

It takes time and money to make something from scratch.

If nobody is interested, I guess that's fine I am offering to prototype the turbo system for 10K:

Turbo manifolds
Up pipes
Down Pipes
Wastegates
BOV(s)
Turbos
Intercooler
Intercooler piping and all associated silicone couplers and clamps
Air filters and all necessary air intake piping

I'm just looking to jump into a new market, if there is no interest, I will just move on and try something else, it's just good business to try to expand the customer base from crossover markets.
 
They'll be cheap ass turbos I've got 6 grand or more in a set of stainless headers and down pipes. Turbos are another 3
 
Sounds to me you are asking someone to be your R & D guinea pig for 10K ,, and if it works you will make the cash ,if it does not work truck owner gets a junk motor he just flushed 10k down a turd hole to nowhere!
 
Sounds to me you are asking someone to be your R & D guinea pig for 10K ,, and if it works you will make the cash ,if it does not work truck owner gets a junk motor he just flushed 10k down a turd hole to nowhere!

Yeah that would be my concern too. Back when I had my SVT Focus, there were no off-the-shelf turbo kits available. A company in Texas decided they wanted to build one that could be mass produced and reliable and be the first off the shelf turbo for those cars. They more or less looked to do the same thing that 300 is wanting to do, except they asked if someone would be willing to lend them their car and they would do the kit and install and tuning for free in order to help them market their kit and refine it as it was only a prototype at the time. Yeah it's an upfront loss money-wise for that company, but they ended up selling a lot of those kits because they made it affordable, reliable, and met a demand that many SVT Focus owners had. I would have bought one of the kits myself but they were lagging with production delays early on and went with a ProCharger setup. I know it's somewhat apples and oranges as the turbo kit for the SVT Focus ended up only being like 3k or so, which would hardly buy a decent forged internals package on our trucks, but you get the point.

Very likely none of us (except maybe one of the members on here who seemingly has lots of disposable income) are going to risk being the first for this sort of project. You look at a company like JTSVP or JMB and they have their own SRT-10 trucks that they build parts for and can use for R&D if need be. It's one thing when you are a company or potential sponsor and you have your own vehicle that you are willing to build and use as a marketing tool, but to ask an individual to be the first for a 10k TT project might be an overstretch.

You'll likely have to make it worth someone's while to get one of us to bite on something like this, such as half cost for the first kit, or no charge labor and tuning, or something along those lines. My SVT Focus was the first ProCharger install the company who did the work had done up to that point, but they basically did a lot of the labor and tuning for free and when it was all said and done I was one of a very few people with a nearly 300whp Focus and had a brand-name FI system that was backed with reputation, proven performance, and a warranty. I allowed that shop to utilize pictures and details of the process as marketing for their company, so it was win-win. Oh and they did this all for me while I was deployed to the Middle East. They even drove 2 hours to meet my dad in Florida with a trailer and hauled my car back to their shop at no cost to me and installed over 3k worth of parts plus tuning and then stored my car for me for weeks until I returned from overseas and they never charged me a dime for all that extra stuff. A company like that is a company worth being a guinea pig for.
 
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They'll be cheap ass turbos I've got 6 grand or more in a set of stainless headers and down pipes. Turbos are another 3

Your listing of all the parts for a turbo system is missing a few things.

6K for a pair of SS headers is suicide.

Sounds to me you are asking someone to be your R & D guinea pig for 10K ,, and if it works you will make the cash ,if it does not work truck owner gets a junk motor he just flushed 10k down a turd hole to nowhere!

Hey, if you look at the link of my installation pics and think I can't make something that kicks ass in the wide open space of the Viper truck engine compartment, I feel sorry for you.

Guess what guys, any more responses like these and I'm out.......

No, I'm out anyway...... Good bye!
 
Your listing of all the parts for a turbo system is missing a few things.

6K for a pair of SS headers is suicide.



Hey, if you look at the link of my installation pics and think I can't make something that kicks ass in the wide open space of the Viper truck engine compartment, I feel sorry for you.

Guess what guys, any more responses like these and I'm out.......

No, I'm out anyway...... Good bye!

Damn leaving over people having questions ?

I agree having to pay 10K and have your truck be on the butchers block, na not good man.

APR will use peoples newer cars to do research for tunes, and the tune is free :dontknow: I know it's not the same as a turbo outfit but damn.
 

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