I've used Pennzoil plenty of times and never saw a problem, but it has only been Ultra and European Ultra synthetic, factory fill for Ferrari, MB AMG and many other super cars, along with all SRT vehicles........................and the only Mobile1 that is FULLY synthetic is the European spec one's, looked into that a long time ago...If you really want a top shelf synthetic then look at TotalQuartz by Total Lubricants in France, no gimmicks or mega advertising just REAL synthetic oil, had inside info on this a few years ago from the oil supplier at my buddies shop, long talk.
Hellcat Anyone?
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NukeGM/Ford
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now if they would only make a yellow Hellcat.................. i cant spend 15K re-painting a 100K car............. wait a minute........... i cant afford either one...............:rofl:
Car is only $60k, if you find a reasonable dealer that isn't trying to rape you with a "market adjustment" charge.
According to a reliable source, "reasonable" isn't going to exist for a couple of years at least with the Hellcat's.
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Great commercial, but I'd rather piss in my engine than use Pennzoil.
That garbage is so full of paraffin its ridiculous. Pull apart a high mileage engine that used Pennzoil and then pull apart another equally high mileage engine with say Mobil 1 or Valvoline and the difference is obvious.
And this isn't form a "source" this is from me taking real world shit apart and seeing it first hand.
So unless Pennzoil has changed their formula, no way that crap is going in any engine of mine.
That garbage is so full of paraffin its ridiculous. Pull apart a high mileage engine that used Pennzoil and then pull apart another equally high mileage engine with say Mobil 1 or Valvoline and the difference is obvious.
And this isn't form a "source" this is from me taking real world shit apart and seeing it first hand.
So unless Pennzoil has changed their formula, no way that crap is going in any engine of mine.
SickBlackSnake
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uhhh.... AMEN!
OK..............I have Pennzoil Ultra European 5-40 in my current car which is factory fill for Ferrari, wouldn't think Ferrari would certify/approve an oil and USE it at the factory if it was crap.............oh well guess my motor will explode now, poor Ferrari......LOL
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Personal opnion is just that......opinion. I have seen horrible engine conditions with their old school oil as well. I'm sure the new formula is different. I guess no company has ever left a bad opinion on you that you wouldn't trust them again.
I've just never had a failure due to bad oil, and I've used them all from Amsoil down to Walmart brand super tech with no issues, maybe I haven't been driving long enough to see it yet, I've seen blown engines but they were clean inside, I have a lot of bad opinions on companies just no oil one's yet.........thats it, nothing negative against anyone, but there is a lot of that here lately........
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Exactly, it was the older stuff in high mileage engines I was witness too..
After seeing what the oil had done I decided it wasn't for me.. And as I stated in my post "unless they have changed their formula"
They very well may have.. But no matter, I am happy with the oil I have been using and have had excellent results with it.. To each his own.
This comment is ridiculous to me.. I said high mileage engines. How many high mileage Ferrari engines have you personally seen torn down to know for sure the condition of the internals over a long duration.. I have no experience with them so I have nothing to say..
I don't care what they approve, that frankly means nothing..
Not comparing apples to apples with this, so bare with me here. But Dodge approved complete garbage oil cooler lines to be used on the Vipers and SRT Rams and they made it out the door for all of us to have to replace..
My point is, just because the factory, Ferrari or whoever uses it doesn't mean its the best. I believe what I see. If you find it to work for you than great for you.
Again, I stated "unless they have changed their formula"..
Pennzoil probably has at this point. And I truly hope they have, But I can say for fact that their old formula was pure shit..
This comment frankly, is just asinine. Really?
Tell you what, I'll let you know when I buy my Viper.. Rest assured however I will be changing it over to Mobil 1 syn.
Even if Pennzoil has changed their formula, I don't care. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice... Well guess what, I'm probably not ever buying your product again.
And trust me Hawk, no hate or animosity intended toward you personally, but come on. With comments like these you come off to me as someone who has little to no experience tearing down and rebuilding engines.. I have been since I was a teen as a hobby.
Shit, when I tore my SRT Ram engine apart which had Mobil 1 factory it looked damn near brand new inside and spec'd out beautiful with 45000 miles on it..
I believe what I see and I know what I have seen with my eyes.
I don't know what Ferrari sees, has seen, or what they share with the public, or what their reasons are for choosing Pennzoil.
Plus in all reality I will never be tearing a Ferrari engine apart, so why do I care what Ferrari does?? Are they the engine Gods or something?
Show me a Ferrari with 200,000 miles on it that's been truly daily driven for 17+ years and I'll take a Ferrari comparison serious..
Sound unrealistic? Well just so happens my old 1998 Jeep Cherokee with an inline 4.0 6cyl just turned 200,000 miles on the clock just last week.. It still runs fantastic too. Never has it seen Pennzoil..
Never a rebuild either, only maintenance.. The engine has never been opened up.
I did a compression check on all 6 cylinders at 200,000 out of curiosity since I was changing the plugs and was right there anyway..
and ALL 6 cylinders were right at 155psi plus or minus only a couple pounds each.
That means the cylinders are good, the rings are good, and the valves are still seating in the head properly.
I want to see a Ferrari that has real world use in the same fashion as a real world vehicle.. and don't give me this 24 hours at Le Mans shit..
I want to see the the compression on each cylinder, I want to see the rings, the bearings, the wrist pins, the cylinder walls.. Show me the crank, the valves and valve guides, etc, etc. The true condition of the engine.
Then we'll talk about Ferrari and their Pennzoil...
And I know as fact Ferrari as had issues in the past with valve guides.
Or better yet lets talk about the Chevy's the Fords,Dodges, and Jeeps I've actually seen that have endured real world punishment and had sludge built up and the internals chewed up and worn down because of improper lubrication.
The only common factor between them all was, yep! Pennzoil
Like everything though things change. If Pennzoil has changed good for them.. But I'm still not using it.
Ok, thanks for all the information, it was fun for a while but it's over now. As other higher ups have said, it's so easy to get people over exited for practically nothing, i new my comments would stir the pot as so many others have done here but none were meant towards anyone but i apologise if it offended anyone seeing I'm not a "10" owner anymore i will no longer post here, positive or negative. If an administrator can delete my account/profile that will be good. I learned a lot here, good and bad, but god forbid you get rid of your truck, that's just what happened in another recent thread where someone got rid of it. Think about it............and no I don't have too much experience tearing down and rebuilding engines but the one's I've seen that were bad were due to poor maintenance wether it was Pennzoil or amsoil, if the.owner neglected it it didn't matter, they all looked like crap ,really?????????
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Are you 47 or 17? Just because you don't agree you want to be deleted? I'd delete you if I was capable since you asked nicely :chain::chain:
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Whoa, what? I wouldn't consider anything Ive typed or said overly excited.. I thought we were all having some good in depth discussion here.. I'm only stating what I have seen, and that simply because a company has a contract with another company doesn't mean its the best.
I personally like to see real world result, performed independently. And I don't trust company hype.. That's all I'm getting at..
For Dodge to use pennzoil across the board now, along with Ferrari when Dodge used to use Mobil 1 (atleast in the Vipers) tells me its a Fiat venture.. And that's a great contract for Pennzoil to have.. Its all marketing strategy... How good the Pennzoil oil is now I already said I don't know.. But when the general public sees that its used in the Viper, the Hell Cat, and Ferrari then well.. It must be great stuff right? Yeah, maybe its good oil. But what it really is, is great for selling oil...
Anyway.......
I did say that I meant no hate or animosity toward you Hawk.. I wanted that to be clear. I was just talking is all.. Not mad or excited or anything, just talking.. I made sure to say that because I had no intention of coming at you or your character. Unfortunately, you seem to have taken it personal anyway.
And you are right, I have also seen engines with what I consider good oil look like shit to from poor maintenance.. No oil can protect against stupid forever that's for sure..
Well damn, I guess its a good thing I don't get on here too often.. I didn't mean to go running anyone off.. Sorry you feel that way Hawk..
trussman
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He ain't leavin....
SickBlackSnake
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Its not your opinion thats an issue, its how your posts come off as snarky b/c someone doesnt agree with you
but this is the internet, so what the hell do i know :dontknow:
Stick around, Chris. You're one of the good guys. We all give each other a hard time here, but none of it is meant personally. I sent you a text. Give me a shout out when you get a minute.
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I wanna send a shout out to Caveman since he needs it. Bwahaha
Oh Pennzoil sucks ass! I remember scooping handfuls of ash/oil/crap out of engines long ago that were die hard Pennzoil users. Can you guess why we had to open these engines?? Yup...knocking
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