Health Care may Kill this Country

As a medical student currently studying, I have the opportunity to learn how insurance companies, doctors and the government all interact in the healthcare system. After reading the previous posts, some were good and others not so. Unfortunately I do not have time to do more in detail of how some things work, such as HMO contracts and how physicians are reimbursed as I am about to walk out the door but hopefully I can later tonight.
The major thing I would like to see, just as Roy mentioned earlier, is a MUCH larger emphasis on prevention and also personal responsibility when it comes to your health and lifestyle. Physicians don't do enough and if they only did, they would prevent the majority of major illness which is what costs so damn much to treat. I must go but I will visit this thread later tonight and be happy to try and explain how some of the things with insurance and physician reimbursements work. This will be a great thread to watch!
 
OCBob said:
Yes Roy. Things are a mess right now. But our government built these things. Things that are truly amazing. That to me is proof that our government can do things, and do them well. Just not lately.

We need to demand these things again from our government. We have let our expectations of our government fall well below what they should be, in essence we have let them off the hook. And that's our fault, not theirs. If you tell a child that you expect at least C's on his report card, that's probably what you are going to get.

Why do we expect less of our government than our forefathers did? Just something to think about.


I buy your concept!

We are great have been great...we just need to do much better right now.
 
My Wife is a Physician and is President of the Florida Ostepathic Medical Assc(Foma)she is also doing a fellowship in Medical Managment and sits on the State board for health policy. I'm an Electrical contractor. I'll just show her the thread and maybe she can explane some things. Me?..give em 220vac and call me in the morning.
 
srt 10 jimbo said:
My Wife is a Physician and is President of the Florida Ostepathic Medical Assc(Foma)she is also doing a fellowship in Medical Managment and sits on the State board for health policy. I'm an Electrical contractor. I'll just show her the thread and maybe she can explane some things. Me?..give em 220vac and call me in the morning.
Could you ask her why a damned aspirin is $12 in a hospital and 12 cents in a pharmacy?

I understand that docs should be payed well for their time. I understand that there are procedures that are quite costly due to the investment in technology that is necessary, but I don't understand why some things are priced so far out of reality.
 
Hospitals cant refuse treatment to anyone right?. How many people go to the Hospital emegency room without Insurance? Do you think they pay with cash out of their pocket? They charge 12 dollars for asprin to recoop the loses from people without Insurance who dont have any money and cant pay the bill. So It's we the regular joe's who have to pick up the tab. And she does not work in a Hospital but at a Clinic where she treats mostly Indigent patiants and people with Hiv.
 
srt 10 jimbo said:
Hospitals cant refuse treatment to anyone right?. How many people go to the Hospital emegency room without Insurance? Do you think they pay with cash out of their pocket? They charge 12 dollars for asprin to recoop the loses from people without Insurance who dont have any money and cant pay the bill. So It's we the regular joe's who have to pick up the tab. And she does not work in a Hospital but at a Clinic where she treats mostly Indigent patiants and people with Hiv.
Ahhh, but isn't that a double edged sword? Who can afford to pay 12 bucks for an aspirin? And to be honest, who should be expected to? Maybe, just maybe, if the prices were more in line with reality, they would be able to collect on more of it. When you see what they are charging, it is more like to put you in the F you mode IMO.


Something I would really like to know is what percentage of hospital expenditures are administration? Actually, make that the percentage of all health care. I sure wouldn't be surprised to find out that it is more than expenditures for doctors.
 
Bob he is correct. The most expensive primary health care is found in the emergency room. 95% of those that present in an ER could be managed by a primary care physician if they had one! The failure to provide primary care to all is one of the most expensive upside down issues is the undoctored population...not only do they cost the most to treat because they present in the most expensive environment (the ER) they also tend to present themselves and their family members in a much more acute situation, because they don't have a primary care physician doing normal oversight and managing maladies in a sub acute environment and at a much lower acuity level...the un-doctored are a major load on the health care delivery system...

Only a small percentage of the un-doctored population are illegal immigrants as some think. Estimates state that there are:

Who are the uninsured (the un-doctored)?

* Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2005, the latest government data available.
* The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 9 million people since 2000.1
* The large majority of the uninsured (80 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.
* The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006.
* Nearly 90 million people - about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2006 or 2007 without health coverage.
* Over 8 in 10 uninsured people come from working families - almost 70 percent from families with one or more full-time workers and 11 percent from families with part-time workers.
* The percentage of people (workers and dependents) with employment-based health insurance has dropped from 70 percent in 1987 to 59 percent in 2006. This is the lowest level of employment-based insurance coverage in more than a decade.
* In 2005, nearly 15 percent of employees had no employer-sponsored health coverage available to them, either through their own job or through a family member.
* In 2006, 37.7 million workers were uninsured because not all businesses offer health benefits, not all workers qualify for coverage and many employees cannot afford their share of the health insurance premium even when coverage is at their fingertips.
* The number of uninsured children in 2006 was 8.7 million - or 11.7 percent of all children in the U.S.1 The number of children who are uninsured increased by nearly 610,000 in 2006, the second year that the number of uninsured children increased.
* Young adults (18-to-24 years old) remained the least likely of any age group to have health insurance in 2005 - 29.3 percent of this group did not have health insurance.
* The percentage and the number of uninsured Hispanics increased to 34.1 percent and 15.3 million in 2006.
* Nearly 40 percent of the uninsured population reside in households that earn $50,000 or more. A growing number of middle-income families cannot afford health insurance payments even when coverage is offered by their employers.

http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml

These are the data that may kill this country in the next 20 years...according to many experts.
 
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OK, well I'm trying to do some research into the costs of the administration side of health care.

So far I have found this, from 2003 (which would lead me to believe that it has probably increased in the last 5 years). Our expenditures for health care administration was $1059 per person in the country!

I also found some info on a Kaiser IT project that ran over $4 billion, and it didn't work. It was down for over 60,000 user hours during one month. Seems like a lot of money and a lot of downtime. (that is user hours, not actual hours, and is a common measurement in IT)

Another thing I found goes back to 1990, but it shows while overall operating expenses at hospitals rose 45%, administration costs rose 90%.

I've got to get ready to head out to school now, but I'm going to try to find some more data that supports my position that one of the major problems that largely goes unmentioned is the out of control costs for the administration of health care. That usually means a bunch of people sitting around and not accomplishing much in my experience.
 
Maybe not! Some say that I died years ago...but my body is in such great condition that it just keeps going.
 
Steve Jennings said:
what do you want to say exactly is not understood by me.
kindly be clear to me.
This was not at all clear to me :confused: :confused: :confused: :dontknow:
 
Prof said:
Maybe not! Some say that I died years ago...but my body is in such great condition that it just keeps going.
Well parts of it anyway :p :p :p :D :rock: Howdy Professor :marchmellow: :)
 
srt 10 jimbo said:
And I'll try and keep her from seeing the official mammary monday thread.
If she's in the medical field, I'm sure she's seen em before ;) ;) ;) :D
 
Stinker said:
the goverment is corrupt Joe.........:argh:
NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! No way man :D
 
Prof said:
The government still has not proved that it can do anything well.
That was to the point :rock:
 
srt 10 jimbo said:
My Wife is a Physician and is President of the Florida Ostepathic Medical Assc(Foma)she is also doing a fellowship in Medical Managment and sits on the State board for health policy. I'm an Electrical contractor. I'll just show her the thread and maybe she can explane some things. Me?..give em 220vac and call me in the morning.


Your wife probably knows a good friend (Mark Taflon, also an osteopathic physician) he was the director of our ER at St. Vincent's in Jacksonville, until he had an accident that ruined his heel...Mark was also a neighbor is Atlantic Beach. I was the VP of Marketing and Strategic Planning years ago.
 
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