questions for those with chronic back pain

05RamSRTkid

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I just got back from the VA docs and I am being refered to Neurosurgery to find options for dealing with my condition. The main option of treatment right now is the three injections, an Epidural, Cortizone, and Steroids. I had them before my last surgery back in 2008 but at that time I was on so many drugs(prescribed of course) that i didnt notice any change. that and being in a wheelchair didnt help. has anyone had these injections before and if so do they work. I know everyone is different but if this will just waste my time ill opt for surgery #3
 
05RamSRTkid said:
I just got back from the VA docs and I am being refered to Neurosurgery to find options for dealing with my condition. The main option of treatment right now is the three injections, an Epidural, Cortizone, and Steroids. I had them before my last surgery back in 2008 but at that time I was on so many drugs(prescribed of course) that i didnt notice any change. that and being in a wheelchair didnt help. has anyone had these injections before and if so do they work. I know everyone is different but if this will just waste my time ill opt for surgery #3
I get them every once in awhile from all the racing accidents, the cortizone and steroied shots, they work for a short time, then you are running back for more, so my pain isnt that bad so have learned to live with mine,
but give carl ccfeyh a shout, he jsut had some surgery and has had all the injections I am sure he will prob chime in,
plus we have a ton of great medical folks that can help aslo.
sorry for the pain buddy:eek:
 
I had a look see kind of surgery and then a series of steroid injections when they figured that surgery was not going to be an option.

The injections they did on me they said were something new, they usually go in directly from the back of your neck, I had six injections from the sides of my neck (both sides), that was about a month ago.

I've had epidurals and all the other stuff and none of them worked, the injections I had about a month ago have relieved the pain, not completely gone, but right up there around 90%. I hurt every friggin day for over three years and now feel like I actually have a new life. But, I will be going back for more permanently, every so many months, back you go.

My other option was surgery with a 50-50 chance of ending up in a wheelchair forever, or if it worked, down for 13 months.

Good luck, I hope they can help you.
 
I do know Kid, and I know you dont want to hear this, that most of the folks I know that have had back surgery, have to have it four or five times and it never really does relive the pain,
I know that dont hold true for all , but thats jsut the folks that I have known:eek:
 
As stated the surgery route works for some and not for others...my dad had a 7 hr surgery about 15 yrs ago....before he was in constant pain and could not stand or sit more than a few minutes...after the surgery he could sit and stand as long as anyone...he said it relieved 90% of his pain.


My mother on the other hand has had 4 surgerys....each seemed to help for a few months then she would be back where she was before...the shots you are talking about really make her feel better but are just good for about 3-5 weeks.....and you cant keep taking them for too long w/o having other probelms..
 
thanks for the input guys. Im going to try the injections if they think its going to help me but I have also requested to have an MRI done every six months so that if my condition worsens I can get it addressed asap before it gets any worse. But for now the pain is there all the time but I am able to move around and enjoy life a bit more than I was a few years ago. Now I guess its just wait to hear from the docs. Thanks again for all the support and advice
 
05RamSRTkid said:
thanks for the input guys. Im going to try the injections if they think its going to help me but I have also requested to have an MRI done every six months so that if my condition worsens I can get it addressed asap before it gets any worse. But for now the pain is there all the time but I am able to move around and enjoy life a bit more than I was a few years ago. Now I guess its just wait to hear from the docs. Thanks again for all the support and advice
I hope things do get better for ya buddy, they do say laughter is a cure for all, so smile each and every day bo:D

prayers for ya tonight big buddy:)
 
JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE said:
I hope things do get better for ya buddy, they do say laughter is a cure for all, so smile each and every day bo:D

prayers for ya tonight big buddy:)

Thank you sir. and there is no better medicine than laughter :rock:
 
JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE said:
call me sir again and I will give you an injection:p :aetsch: :aetsch:

Sorry force of habit haha. i know, ya work for a living. though after the last doctor who did my injections in Baltimore Id probably be more comfortable with you doin it haha
 
05RamSRTkid said:
JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE said:
call me sir again and I will give you an injection:p :aetsch: :aetsch:

Sorry force of habit haha. i know, ya work for a living. though after the last doctor who did my injections in Baltimore Id probably be more comfortable with you doin it haha
:D made ya smile:p

get your butt to panama if ya can one day bro, the crew can def hook ya up and you'll be laughin your fanny off:D

wait till you see what we did with one guy:D
 
haha indeed you did. I was in Florida years ago and wouldnt mind the visit again. My younger brother is down in that region now celebrating his college graduation. and will be moving there in Sept hopefully so I imagine Ill be down there visiting in the future \m/
 
05RamSRTkid said:
haha indeed you did. I was in Florida years ago and wouldnt mind the visit again. My younger brother is down in that region now celebrating his college graduation. and will be moving there in Sept hopefully so I imagine Ill be down there visiting in the future \m/
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:


here is some info, not sure if it will help , but may not hurt:eek:
I hate real drugs here lately:D

Herbal treatments
Some herbal supplements with anti-inflammatory properties may ease back pain. Although more research is needed to reliably determine their safety and efficacy, some studies suggest that the following herbs may be helpful:

■Willow bark (Salix alba), taken orally
■Devil's claw (Harpagophytum procumbens), taken orally
■Capsicum (Capsicum frutescens), applied as a topical plaster

Hot, moist herbal packs help relieve the pain and increase blood circulation on painful areas, while herbal teas, juices and extracts soothe muscles and nerves.

Camomile has a calming effect on smooth muscle tissue. Take it as 1-3 cups of tea, 10-20 drops of extract in a cup of liquid or 1-3 capsules daily.

Bromelain (pineapple extract) is a powerful anti-inflammatory (take 2-3 g daily at first, then 1-2 g as the pain eases). Other anti-inflammatories, effective when drunk as teas, are valerian, St. John's wort, and Jamaican dogwood.

Horsetail not only heals and builds connective tissue, but also normalizes the bowels and alleviates lower-back pain, much of which can be traced to a dysfunctional intestinal tract. Take internally as per camomile.

Burdock soothes the pain and purifies the blood. Take 1-3 capsules or 10-25 drops of extract in 1 cup liquid daily.

If the muscle tension is due to emotional stress, take borage, St. John's wort, lemon balm or valerian teas.

Fresh yarrow juice is excellent for strengthening back muscles.

Use a white or black mustard seed pack for more intense heat. A mustard pack should not be left on for more than ten minutes because it can irritate the skin.

An infusion of meadowsweet three times a day combined with a rub on the area with lobelia and cramp bark is useful for physical strain or rheumatic problems.


Here are some herbs that are useful in pain relief.

Hot Peppers
Cayenne pepper (Capsicum spp.) is used in formulas for liniments and plasters in the folk medicine. Red pepper contains a pain-relieving chemical--capsaicin--that is so potent that a tiny amount provides the active ingredient in some powerful pharmaceutical topical analgesics. One product, Zostrix, contains only 0.025 percent capsaicin.

The exact mechanism in which red pepper works is not known. But it sure does work. Red pepper's effectiveness may be due to:

Capsaicin interferes with our pain perception
Capsaicin trigger release of the body's own pain-relieving endorphins
Salicylates present in red pepper.

How to Apply

1. You can buy a commercial cream containing capsaicin and use that.

2. Mash a red pepper and rub it directly on the painful area.

3. Take any white skin cream that you have on hand such as cold cream. Mix in enough red pepper to turn it pink.

4. Place 1 ounce of cayenne pepper in a quart of rubbing alcohol. Let the mixture stand for three weeks, shaking the bottle each day. Then, apply to the affected part during acute attacks.

5. Place 1 ounce of cayenne pepper in a pint of boiling water. Simmer for half an hour. Do not strain, but add a pint of rubbing alcohol. Let cool to room temperature. Apply as desired to the affected part.

Caution: Do not ingest any of these remedies. Wash your hands thoroughly after preparing or using red pepper. Don't get it in your eyes.

Some people are sensitive to this compound. Test it on a small area of skin to make sure that it's okay for you to use before using it on a larger area. If it seems to irritate your skin, discontinue use.

Cramp Bark and Black Haw
For the treatment of spasmodic pain, both cramp bark (Viburnum opulus) and black haw (Viburnum prunifolium) have been used in American Indian medicine. The Indians used cramp bark to treat both menstrual pain and muscle spasm. Cramp bark and black haw were also used hisatorically for arthritic or menstrual pain. The plants contain the antispasmodic and muscle-relaxing compounds esouletin and scopoletin. The antispasmodic constituents are best extracted with alcohol. So use tinctures rather than teas. Black haw also contains aspirin- like compounds.

Directions: Mix equal parts of cramp bark and black haw tinctures. Take between 1 and 4 droppers every two or three hours for up to three days.

Willow Bark
Willow bark (Salix alba) was used for treating pain by the ancient Greeks more than 2,400 years ago. American Indians throughout North America used it as a pain reliever even before the arrival of the European colonists. Investigation of salicin, a pain-relieving constituent in willow bark, led to the discovery of aspirin in 1899. The most important active constituent is salicin, but other anti-inflammatory constituents also appear in the willow bark.

Peppermint (Mentha piperita) and other mints.
The compounds menthol and camphor are found in many over-the-counter backache medications. They are chemicals that can help ease the muscle tightness that contributes to many bad backs. Menthol is a natural constituent of plants in the mint family, particularly peppermint and spearmint, although the aromatic oils of all the other mints contain it as well. Camphor occurs in spike lavender, hyssop and coriander.

Ginger
Ginger is used to treat various sorts of pain in the folk medicine of China and India. It is an important pain medication in contemporary Arabic medicine. Ginger contains 12 different aromatic anti-inflammatory compounds, including some with mild aspirin-like effects.

Directions: Cut a fresh ginger root (about the size of your thumb) into thin slices. Place the slices in a quart of water. Bring to a boil, and then simmer on the lowest possible heat for thirty minutes in a covered pot. Let cool for thirty more minutes. Strain and drink 1/2 to 1 cup, sweetened with honey, for taste if needed.

Rosemary
Drinking rosemary tea for pain is a remedy used in the contemporary Hispanic folk medicine of Mexico and the Southwest. Its leaf also contains four anti-inflammatory substances---camosol, oleanolic acid, rosmarinic acid, and ursolic acid. Carnosol acts on the same anti-inflammatory pathways as both steroids and aspirin; rosmarinic acid acts through at least two separate anti-inflammatory biochemical pathways; and ursolic acid, which makes up about 4 percent of the plant by weight, has been shown in animal trials to have anti-arthritic effects.

Directions: Put 1/2 ounce of rosemary leaves in a 1-quart canning jar and fill the jar with boiling water. Cover tightly and let it stand for thirty minutes. Drink a cup as hot as possible before going to bed, and have another cupful in the morning before breakfast.

Epsom Salt Baths
Folk traditions call for Epsom salt baths to relieve pain. Epsom salt was reputed to have magical healing properties. Epsom salt is primarily magnesium sulfate and has been used medicinally in Europe for more than three hundred years. The heat of an Epsom salt bath can increase circulation and reduce the swelling of arthritis, and the magnesium can be absorbed through the skin. Magnesium is one of the most important minerals in the body, participating in at least 300 enzyme systems. Magnesium has both anti-inflammatory and anti-arthritic properties.

Directions: Fill a bathtub with water as hot as can be tolerated. Add 2 cups of Epsom salts. Bathe for thirty minutes, adding hot water if necessary to keep the bath water warm.

Angelica
Various species of angelica have been used to quiet pain by American Indians throughout North America. The European species (Angelica archangelica) and the Chinese species (Angelica sinensis) have been used in the same way in the folk medicine of Europe and China respectively. The Chinese species is sometimes sold in North America under the names dang gui or dong quai. All species contain anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, and anodyne (pain- relieving) properties. The European species of angelica has been used in European folk medicine since antiquity, as has the Chinese species in Chinese medicine.

Directions: Place 1 tablespoon of the cut roots of either species of angelica in a pint of water and bring to a boil for two minutes in a covered pot. Remove from heat and let stand, covered, until the tea cools to room temperature. Drink the pint in 3 doses during the day.
 
Everyone is different with there opinions. I don't know the full circumstances of your injury, but have you thought about going to the gym? Lifting weights and strength training may hurt bad but strengthening your body could help! I broke my ribs a couple years ago and I had no strength. It took longer than expected to heal because of where I broke them. So I lifted for a year straight. When it was all said and done I benched 400lbs. I'm not saying you gotta go heavy, but if the docs are gonna pump you full of stuff including steroids you might consider the gym or swimming. Hope you get better bro!
 
quote the amount of info there bud. Thank you. I will definitely give it a try. And here in Colorado Springs there is no shortage of homeopathic shops so I know where to go. and anything is better than the narcotics they try to feed me haha
 
05RamSRTkid said:
quote the amount of info there bud. Thank you. I will definitely give it a try. And here in Colorado Springs there is no shortage of homeopathic shops so I know where to go. and anything is better than the narcotics they try to feed me haha
have you tried smoking weed!?
 
BlackMamba50 said:
Everyone is different with there opinions. I don't know the full circumstances of your injury, but have you thought about going to the gym? Lifting weights and strength training may hurt bad but strengthening your body could help! I broke my ribs a couple years ago and I had no strength. It took longer than expected to heal because of where I broke them. So I lifted for a year straight. When it was all said and done I benched 400lbs. I'm not saying you gotta go heavy, but if the docs are gonna pump you full of stuff including steroids you might consider the gym or swimming. Hope you get better bro!

Now that I have the ok from my doctor to go to the gym more I plan on getting into a routine. Even if its walking on a treadmill for 30min 4 days a week its a start. it is one of the best things to do. thanks bro:rock:
 
505'sFastestViper. said:
have you tried smoking weed!?


haha surprisingly the VA has offered to give me a prescription for it but quickly withdrew that after learning that my family has a history of addiction. I have thought about it but Im not sure if its for me, though I am not against the idea
 
I know you said you were in a wheelchair, now my wife has had bad back deals also, as I do , and not sure how you could , but if you could suspend yourself a bit an let the lower part pull down and stretch the bones apart, that may help some also,
Iknow jsut separating the discs really helps the crap outta mine, we got a deal where we almost hang upside down LOL yes I do and by my toes:D
 
JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE said:
I know you said you were in a wheelchair, now my wife has had bad back deals also, as I do , and not sure how you could , but if you could suspend yourself a bit an let the lower part pull down and stretch the bones apart, that may help some also,
Iknow jsut separating the discs really helps the crap outta mine, we got a deal where we almost hang upside down LOL yes I do and by my toes:D

The decompression has worked in the past for me and is quite relieving though since I have lost most of the feeling in my legs and especially my feet Im sure I wont be hanging by my toes, that is just hardcore. :D ive thought about that thing that you can lay on and turn upside down etc
 
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