04 Service Manual Question

[Kevan]

Hey folks.
I was looking up some specs in the '04 Dodge Ram service manual, but could not find a peep about the SRT-10.

Was there a 'second printing' that included the SRT-10?
Or does everyone just use the '05 service manual?

Any help is appreciated.
TIA

 

[Kevan]

I don't even have an 8.3L engine listed in mine.
I only have: 3.7L, 4.7L, 5.7L, and the 5.9 diesel.

It sounds like there were two printings.

If someone could check something in the manual for me, please send a PM.
Thanks.

 

[dragon]

i have the 2005 service manual on my desktop if you need something let me know i will look it up.

 

[Muzzy]

You have to reference the 05 manual if you want info on the SRT-10. I have both and the 04 manual sucks. There are just some minor differences you need to note when using the 05 manual for an 04. There is no knock sensor on the 04 and the rear end gear ratio is 4.11 on the 04.

-Muzzy

 

[Kevan]

Thanks Muzzy.

I gotta give props to Dragon for hangin' with me on the phone checking some specs on his computer.
THANKS MAN!

 

[Wifey]

No wonder my dealer is always so screwed up on servicing my truck -

 

[Wifey]

What rear end is actually in my 2004 truck???

HD60
Super 60
248RBI
M60

The dealer I contacted awhile back said it has an M60 and I should use 75-140 gear grease with two bottles of friction modifier.

Alot of people on the forum are using 75-90
The specs for the 248RBI show straight 90.

The rear end pictured in the manual (248RBI) is shown with drum brakes and the only reference to SRT-10 is with an aluminum rear end cover. The SRT-10 brakes which are buried in the back somewhere has disc brakes with different flanges than the drum brakes which would make it a different rear end housing so which damned rear end do we have?

What are the real gear grease specs for my 2004 truck as recommended by Dodge????????? :dontknow: :dontknow:

 

[Kevan]

2004-2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Regular Cab trucks

Differential Name: DANA 60-HD
Differential Model Number: 248 RBI
Differential Fluid: SAE 90
Fluid Amount: 2.8L, plus 118ml (4 oz.) of Limited Slip Additive (LSA)
[Source: 2005 Dodge Ram Service Manual; pages 21, 23, 514-571]

"SAE 90" is sort of complicated, esp. when it comes to synthetics.
If a synthetic or multi-grade lube says "75W-90", it is SAE rated for that range: SAE 75 through SAE 90, having the low temp qualities of the 75W and the high temp qualities of the 90W.
[Source: Automotive Lubricants Reference Book by Roger F. Haycock, John E. Hiller, Arthur J. Caines. Page 647]

The dealer that did 140W and 2x the LSA in your truck may owe you a new rear end (at the very least, a complete fluid change).
It's not the correct fluid, nor is it the correct amount of LSA.
Correct procedure and fluid types for the 2004 SRT-10 can be found in the 2005 Dodge Ram Service Manual.
They are NOT in the 2004 Dodge Ram service manual.

The rear brakes on the SRT-10- and other Ram models- incorporate a "drum in hat" design. It's basically an open drum-style brake 'inside' the hat of the disc. This is what your parking brake uses. Think of it as two brakes in one.
In the 2005 service manual, they show the rear brakes on a couple of different types of rear ends all throughout the BRAKES section.
The good news is that it's a slick design.
The bad news is that you have shoes to replace, eventually.
It's also one of the reasons why rotors for these trucks are so difficult to come by.


EDIT: Punctuation repair.

 

[Wifey]

2004-2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Regular Cab trucks

Differential Name: DANA 60-HD
Differential Model Number: 248 RBI
Differential Fluid: SAE 90
Fluid Amount: 2.8L, plus 118ml (4 oz.) of Limited Slip Additive (LSA)
[Source: 2005 Dodge Ram Service Manual; pages 21, 23, 514-571]

"SAE 90" is sort of complicated, esp. when it comes to synthetics.
If a synthetic or multi-grade lube says "75W-90", it is SAE rated for that range: SAE 75 through SAE 90, having the low temp qualities of the 75W and the high temp qualities of the 90W.
[Source: Automotive Lubricants Reference Book by Roger F. Haycock, John E. Hiller, Arthur J. Caines. Page 647]

The dealer that did 140W and 2x the LSA in your truck may owe you a new rear end (at the very least, a complete fluid change).
It's not the correct fluid, nor is it the correct amount of LSA.
Correct procedure and fluid types for the 2004 SRT-10 can be found in the 2005 Dodge Ram Service Manual.
They are NOT in the 2004 Dodge Ram service manual.

The rear brakes on the SRT-10- and other Ram models- incorporate a "drum in hat" design. It's basically an open drum-style brake 'inside' the hat of the disc. This is what your parking brake uses. Think of it as two brakes in one.
In the 2005 service manual, they show the rear brakes on a couple of different types of rear ends all throughout the BRAKES section.
The good news is that it's a slick design.
The bad news is that you have shoes to replace, eventually.
It's also one of the reasons why rotors for these trucks are so difficult to come by.


EDIT: Punctuation repair.

Thank you, Kevin, I will check it out. (thanks for editing your punctuation, too).

 

[Kevan]

I however, need to correct myself:
LSA amount is FIVE (5) ounces for our differentials.

[Source: 2005 Dodge Ram Service Manual; page 23]
Thankfully, there's a +/- 1oz. tolerance.

And while we're doing corrections....
2.8L = 94.6 oz.
(As you can see above, the manual has it listed incorrectly as 48 oz. Oops!)

 

[Wifey]

I however, need to correct myself:
LSA amount is FIVE (5) ounces for our differentials.

[Source: 2005 Dodge Ram Service Manual; page 23]
Thankfully, there's a +/- 1oz. tolerance.

And while we're doing corrections....
2.8L = 94.6 oz.
(As you can see above, the manual has it listed incorrectly as 48 oz. Oops!)

Maybe I need glasses but it looks like 46 oz. to me :dontknow:

Thanks for the update Kevin :rock:

 

[Kevan]

Maybe I need glasses but it looks like 46 oz. to me :dontknow:

Thanks for the update Kevin :rock:

Sorry.
I typo'd their typo.


(Sure would be nice to be able to edit my original posts....*sigh*....)

 

[Overclocker]

I enjoy browsing the service manuals just so I can get a good idea of the how/why/what of the vehicles I work on. I still need to get one for my 10. It's a different beast altogether.