404 Jefferies questions

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Anyone have any useful information on the 404 Jefferies cartridge ? I am considering buying a rifle chambered for it to take on my trip to Africa next July to hunt Cape Buffalo.The rifle is built on a Mauser action in England.The guy wants $7,000 for it and all the ammo,empty brass,bullets,reloading sets,etc.It has ivory inlays and engraving,peep sight,scope and Express sights.


Mostly I want some info on the ballistics of the 404.
 
404 Jeffery
William Jackman Jeffery introduced this cartridge in 1909, as a rimless version of his then popular 400 Jeffery. Despite the name, 404 bullet diameter is 0.423 inch. Chambering the 404 does not require a magnum-length action; the more affordable standard-length Mauser and other actions were easily adapted to this round with only magazine and bolt face modifications. For this reason, the 404 became one of the most popular all-around chamberings in Africa. In Europe, it was designated 10.75x73. Unlike most British cartridges, European manufacturer, RWS, loaded this round. This fact kept this old workhorse active, long after most old big bores had been retired (sometimes temporarily), due to lack of ammunition. This case also became the basis of entire lines of wildcat cartridges, including those under the Dakota banner. With a smaller diameter and a shorter case, the 404 cannot match feasible 416 Rigby ballistics. Original 400-grain 404 loads generated 2125 fps muzzle velocity and 4020 foot pounds of energy. However, with modern propellants, this chambering easily matches original 416 Rigby ballistics, as reflected in modern loads. With availability of top-quality expanding and solid bullets, the 404 is a fine choice for all-around hunting in Africa and for hunting of the largest species in North America and Europe.
Norma now offers 404 cases for handloading and wildcatting.





http://www.africanoutfitter.com/backissues/2007/augustseptember/favoriterifles.php


Or try this, might save some $$$$$$$$

http://www.accuratereloading.com/416wmag.html
 
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my father has a trophy cape buffalo from africa
not sure what he shot with, his last trip was just for giraffe and leopard
 
Wow ,Wifey ! That was a LOT of useful info ! Thanks !! :rock:

As to the link to the .416 Weatherby Magnum,after shooting a .460 Weatherby Magnum (twice no less ! ) ,I will pass on all things Weatherby.OUCH !!!

Practically,I should just get a Ruger 77 Magnum in .375 H&H or .416 Rigby.







Giraffe and leopard ? What did he have to do with the leopard skin ? I am fairly certain that US laws prohibit bringing them into the country.
That is the only reason that I am not hunting leopard.I need to talk to your father.I am pretty certain evrything will be ready by next July.
 
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HOT RAM said:
Wow ,Wifey ! That was a LOT of useful info ! Thanks !! :rock:

As to the link to the .416 Weatherby Magnum,after shooting a .460 Weatherby Magnum (twice no less ! ) ,I will pass on all things Weatherby.OUCH !!!

Practically,I should just get a Ruger 77 Magnum in .375 H&H or .416 Rigby.







Giraffe and leopard ? What did he have to do with the leopard skin ? I am fairly certain that US laws prohibit bringing them into the country.
That is the only reason that I am not hunting leopard.I need to talk to your father.I am pretty certain evrything will be ready by next July.





The M77 is a fine affordable rifle:rock: with so many calibers available too:D
Easy to order, inexpensive( relatively speaking) Very good rifle, seems like a good choice:rock: :rock: :marchmellow: :marchmellow: :D

Here is one in each caliber of your preferance

http://www.gunsinternational.com/detail.cfm?id=100054775&string=cid=268

http://www.gunsinternational.com/detail.cfm?id=100050438&string=cid=268


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HOT RAM said:
Wow ,Wifey ! That was a LOT of useful info ! Thanks !! :rock:

As to the link to the .416 Weatherby Magnum,after shooting a .460 Weatherby Magnum (twice no less ! ) ,I will pass on all things Weatherby.OUCH !!!

Practically,I should just get a Ruger 77 Magnum in .375 H&H or .416 Rigby.







Giraffe and leopard ? What did he have to do with the leopard skin ? I am fairly certain that US laws prohibit bringing them into the country.
That is the only reason that I am not hunting leopard.I need to talk to your father.I am pretty certain evrything will be ready by next July.

i can have him send you pics, he just got back from alaska on a doll sheep hunt. he is always looking for a reason to go on a hunt so maybe he will go with you. his cape buffalo measured at just over 44 inches!!!!
 
BurntRubber said:
i can have him send you pics, he just got back from alaska on a doll sheep hunt. he is always looking for a reason to go on a hunt so maybe he will go with you. his cape buffalo measured at just over 44 inches!!!!



WOW ! Anything over 40" is a nice one !!

Would love pics !
 

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