Blacksnake
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Oh ya and mark my words, before November something big is going to happen in this country and I predict it will be 1.) Go to war with Iran 2.) Another terrorist attack on our country 3.) Obama will be Assassinated.
A Video Portrait of Barak Hussian Obama
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ChrisAZ
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For all of our sake, I hope you're prediction is wrong.
What I find the most amusing is that whenever confronted by an opposing viewpoint, those on the left have this predictable way of dismissing these as hearsay and propaganda... All the while they accept any view supporting their own candidate as actual fact...... as if to say that NBC has a monopoly on the truth where FOX NEWS is all lies....
It's all bullshit.................
Facts are facts..........even when they happen to be negatives told about your own candidate.....
Obama is a racist...... He and his wife have both demonstrated that frequently with their own words....
And before you tell me that his wife isn't running for office.... Tell that to Hillary fkn Clinton....
I am firmly convinced that too many people wanna win the debate and completely ignore the facts......
Too much testosterone........ How 'bout this...? Why not simply set up a VTCOA poll to vote between McCain and Obama. Then everyone can simply see who wins, accept the results and stfu....... This debate is like a bunch of kids fighting over who's gonna be 6th grade class fkn president...... It's based on so much opinion... and that's all it is...opinion...
I'm out......... scuse me while I
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It's all bullshit.................
Facts are facts..........even when they happen to be negatives told about your own candidate.....
Obama is a racist...... He and his wife have both demonstrated that frequently with their own words....
And before you tell me that his wife isn't running for office.... Tell that to Hillary fkn Clinton....
I am firmly convinced that too many people wanna win the debate and completely ignore the facts......
Too much testosterone........ How 'bout this...? Why not simply set up a VTCOA poll to vote between McCain and Obama. Then everyone can simply see who wins, accept the results and stfu....... This debate is like a bunch of kids fighting over who's gonna be 6th grade class fkn president...... It's based on so much opinion... and that's all it is...opinion...
I'm out......... scuse me while I
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A family without discussion is a lonely family.
I doubt that a poll of this group would be a reflection of anything other than this small group of truck owners.
I have to chuckle every time Tim uses the 'liberal' word as a derogatory term. I have read that it is a result of too much exposure to Rush. Liberal is not a bad word...it is only a designation that attempts to balance the political environment.
Some try to do the same with 'Democrat', its simply narrow stereotyping and an excuse in many instances for not being able to intellectually support a person's positions. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. In formal debate we academics cast these comments aside and chide the perpetrators.
Here, I just chuckle...
Roy
I doubt that a poll of this group would be a reflection of anything other than this small group of truck owners.
I have to chuckle every time Tim uses the 'liberal' word as a derogatory term. I have read that it is a result of too much exposure to Rush. Liberal is not a bad word...it is only a designation that attempts to balance the political environment.
Some try to do the same with 'Democrat', its simply narrow stereotyping and an excuse in many instances for not being able to intellectually support a person's positions. This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim. In formal debate we academics cast these comments aside and chide the perpetrators.
Here, I just chuckle...
Roy
Blacksnake
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Lottotruck
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Prof said:
I respectfully disagree. How could you possibly have someone in such an office as the President of the United States of America and NOT be a patriot?
Granted there are many other criteria that would qualify someone to be President. But, certainly you would have to be a patriot. If you can't stand up for and believe in your country (especially as Commander-in-Chief), then, you have no business being in that position.
Most times, that is not even mentioned, because it is a given!
I stand corrected. It is not the defining criteria. I agree that it is usually a given.
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Roy,
You know me well enough to understand this already but, I'm gonna break it down it anyway.....:
I make a very broad distinction between Democrats and liberals.......
And for everyone's information, I don't even listen to Rush... I haven't in over 10 years.... His program used to be entertaining and fun...... Now it's the same old constantly regurgitated Republican "company line"...and I'm no longer buying it.....
My idea of a Democrat is someone like Tim Russert and Joe Leiberman.. These are old schoolers who have a position that still projects their firm grasp on reality. They are patriots (excuse me for using what you consider to be a stilted term) .... they are sensible men who maintain the same values of America's finest generation. (and don't gimme any shit about Joe Leiberman OK....?)
A liberal is way to the left of these guys.....
Liberals are holdout hippies who still idealize Jerry Rubin, Abby Hoffman, Tom Hayden and their ilk.... Liberals think that crushing the skull of a newborn (read partial birth abortion) and leaving to die on the table is a womans right... But executing some scumbag rapist and mass murderer is unthinkable..... These are the kinds of vaccuuous imbeciles that I call liberals..... These nutjobs who have no grip on reality whatsoever.....
So before you "intellectuals" scurry me out the door, or "chide me" for having coming up short of your intellectual benchmark, let me simply say "Thanks" for disqualifying me from the debate simply because your reactionary so called "intellect" short circuited your desire to reason.
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I love you man!
You make me think and work mentally. I get off on that!
You make me think and work mentally. I get off on that!
Prof said:
I love you too, Roy.... You know that.....
But as an academician, I sometimes think you need to get the stick out'a yer ass............... :dontknow:
Much love to you, bro..
No horseshit....:rock:
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wheredwhogo?
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For all the Obama supporters out there. I hope he gets elected brings all the troops home, but with the troops coming home we will now be fighting the terrorist in our streets and in your liberal back yard! The majority of the American public have no clue what its like over here. So I say, yes to Obama and let you pussies see what a real fight is like. Every time you drive down the street you wonder if your car is going to explode with you in it because the terrorist have planted IED's everywhere! SO VOTE YES TO OBAMA, cuz I wanna see you bleed too!
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wheredwhogo?
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sorry if my post was insensitive, but I get wound up sometimes.........but just think about it.....you really have no clue what its like over here and you want to bring it home?
WizzySRT10
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If I comment on this thread any more then what I am now I'm sure I'll piss someone off. I don't agree with how Obama stands on issues!
Scrambler1
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One of my biggest problems with Obama is his lack of experience. He is a junior senator with the worst voting record in Congress... the most liberal when he actually bothered to have an opinion rather than voting "present." What kind of life experiences has he had? He's a professional politician, nothing more. Or how about talking shit about his white grandmother because he somehow identifies with his father who I would call a deadbeat. He had never in his life held a REAL job. You think someone who has never lived the life of an honest hard working American can truely identify with the middle class or anyone besides other politicians. I don't see any helpful life experience.
Sure some of his programs sound like a good idea, feel good and caring... but how is he going to pay for them? Maybe if he takes away other programs that are broken... welfare comes to mind. All he wants to do is raise taxes. I already work from January until almost the end of May for the government and then I finally get to start working for myself. Does this sound fair? Should I have to pay even more? I'm not even counting paying lawyers to be able to figure out my taxes so I don't have to deal with the IRS, or planning my estate and buying life insurance so that my family can afford all of the taxes in the event that I die. Hell maybe I'll just quit busting my ass and maybe Obama will give me some free shit too. That's it for the tax rant, I could go on but I become less pleasant.
Sure there are other things that I don't like (actually lots) but I don't have time right now. I hear people crying for free healthcare, gotta get back to work while its still worth it.
Joe
Sure some of his programs sound like a good idea, feel good and caring... but how is he going to pay for them? Maybe if he takes away other programs that are broken... welfare comes to mind. All he wants to do is raise taxes. I already work from January until almost the end of May for the government and then I finally get to start working for myself. Does this sound fair? Should I have to pay even more? I'm not even counting paying lawyers to be able to figure out my taxes so I don't have to deal with the IRS, or planning my estate and buying life insurance so that my family can afford all of the taxes in the event that I die. Hell maybe I'll just quit busting my ass and maybe Obama will give me some free shit too. That's it for the tax rant, I could go on but I become less pleasant.
Sure there are other things that I don't like (actually lots) but I don't have time right now. I hear people crying for free healthcare, gotta get back to work while its still worth it.
Joe
Fit95
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Issue?
Universal health care(Democratic/Obama plan) sounds good to people that can't take care of themselves; I myself don't want to have the government taking more from me to pay for others that want to be taken care of. I grew out of that when I was like - 18. That is like saying, hey I want this really expansive truck - can you pay the taxes and the liscensing for me? No!?
Universal health care(Democratic/Obama plan) sounds good to people that can't take care of themselves; I myself don't want to have the government taking more from me to pay for others that want to be taken care of. I grew out of that when I was like - 18. That is like saying, hey I want this really expansive truck - can you pay the taxes and the liscensing for me? No!?
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This falls into what Barry Goldwater (before he became a liberal) used to call "creeping socialism".
I have no problem with safety nets for the truly needy. I favor the idea of a social security program that one pays into (like a mandatory savings account) which will provide seniors with a pension (benefit) when they retire.... (if neccesary). But simply giving free money away to some lazy fkrs looking for to suck off the "public tit" for the rest'a their lives is pure bullshit.
Entitlements should be reserved for senior citizens and the truly disabled. Not for able bodied parasites who's kids starve while they spend all their money on crack, weed and Thunderbird.
These programs should be patrolled every bit as closely as any other illegal activity. Freeloaders and bums are bleeding this country dry.... Taking benefits away from those who legitimately need them....
This is why entitlements are such a slippery slope....
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Cheers........... and tah.....!
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WizzySRT10
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Django said:
Come on Tim quit sugar coating it tell us how you really feel!
Resident liberal here (not really but many think I am one)...Tim and I are fast friends with a lot of different views.
I also have concerns about Barak. But as Tim says, those concerns were not fostered by a propaganda video (that's what it is friends!). I also am a gun rights supporter.
He is so inexperienced, he is evasive on policy issues, he has often failed to opine in much of his voting record (I live in Illinois, and that is a huge concern here in his home state.) The voting record he has is far left of his spoken platform. I am a fiscal conservative.
I hate the idea of having another President that has not been in war.
I have no concern about his religious background, I had much more concern about Huckabee in this area.
Fears about his name are laughable in my mind. I am worried that some idiot American extremist like Eric Rudolph, will target Obama because of his race or perceived religious beliefs...I am a social liberal.
If Obama is elected, his optimism will be refreshing,,,but I fear short lived. His openness to trying diplomacy will also be welcome, but he will need Tim's big stick close at hand.
Once in office I think there will be a rational look at what opportunities we have in Iraq. I hope he defers to the consensus of the our military leaders. I am confident that the military leaders also want out of Iraq, but in a rational way, that preserves what we have achieved, and minimizes our future losses.
Obama is a slick politician...they all are. The people who become his cabinet are critical to our future...the same is true if John McCain wins the Presidency. McCain is too old...I know old...the energy and fire ebb rapidly, and I also fear John's intellectual capacity. Being a hero is wonderful...but not the defining criteria for becoming our leader.
Neither candidate is to be feared...both want a better life for Americans...which Americans each supports is of huge importance...because one supports the massive middle class and one supports the upper class...which are you and is your economic future more important than anything else? Very possibly for many, and probably even more so in November.
I also have concerns about Barak. But as Tim says, those concerns were not fostered by a propaganda video (that's what it is friends!). I also am a gun rights supporter.
He is so inexperienced, he is evasive on policy issues, he has often failed to opine in much of his voting record (I live in Illinois, and that is a huge concern here in his home state.) The voting record he has is far left of his spoken platform. I am a fiscal conservative.
I hate the idea of having another President that has not been in war.
I have no concern about his religious background, I had much more concern about Huckabee in this area.
Fears about his name are laughable in my mind. I am worried that some idiot American extremist like Eric Rudolph, will target Obama because of his race or perceived religious beliefs...I am a social liberal.
If Obama is elected, his optimism will be refreshing,,,but I fear short lived. His openness to trying diplomacy will also be welcome, but he will need Tim's big stick close at hand.
Once in office I think there will be a rational look at what opportunities we have in Iraq. I hope he defers to the consensus of the our military leaders. I am confident that the military leaders also want out of Iraq, but in a rational way, that preserves what we have achieved, and minimizes our future losses.
Obama is a slick politician...they all are. The people who become his cabinet are critical to our future...the same is true if John McCain wins the Presidency. McCain is too old...I know old...the energy and fire ebb rapidly, and I also fear John's intellectual capacity. Being a hero is wonderful...but not the defining criteria for becoming our leader.
Neither candidate is to be feared...both want a better life for Americans...which Americans each supports is of huge importance...because one supports the massive middle class and one supports the upper class...which are you and is your economic future more important than anything else? Very possibly for many, and probably even more so in November.
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