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BigRed460

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I have some basic audio know how, I have installed a few systems in other trucks I have had, but I have never messed with the Infinity system thats in our trucks. How hard is it to switch to a differnt sub/amp combo? I want to put a JL audio 500/1 and a 10W7 woofer in. can I just take out the amp under the center seat or is that powering other stuff too? Also I want to keep the factory head unit and I assume thats there are no rca outputs, does someone make somthing to "tap" the current wires?

Thanks,
Zac
 
bad news for you.................i just went through all this last month, they are all connected, if you change one speaker or amp, you must change all............at least thats my experience........i was going to upgrade the sub, but found out to do that you must upgrade the amp, then the radio wouldnt recognize the amp............its a big headache.....hope someone else had better luck than i did, but i ended up changing the headunit, both amps, and the sub.
 
same here bro bought a dvd flip up and a 1000w 2 channel amp and some jl audio 6x9's for the doors. we are gonna have to re wire the whole thing, guy is gonna try and keep the small amp for the doors and use the big one for my subs will let ya know how it turns out.
 
Heres the deal...the truck has two amps in it. One under the dash that powers the doors, dash, and rear speakers, minus the sub. From there a signal is sent to the amp under the center seat as well as the remote turn on. There is a way to put an after market sub amp in without changing out the rest of the system. In fact you can leave the stock sub amp in place and just remove the stock sub box. Most shops are going to shy away from our systems and will tell you they have to be rewired to do anything. Well most shops don't specialize in researching stock wiring diagrams and they have to make money so the best thing for them to do is charge you for rewiring your system. I spent the time researching our wiring so you don't have to mess with having a shop telling you its gonna cost big bucks to make add on's to our stock systems.

This is where it gets tricky...not really. If you pull the stock head unit out and remove the harness from the radio and the antenna cable you can begin your wiring for your after market sub amp. The stock amp only uses two of the channels off the factory unit. The factory unit is actually sending a high level signal, meaning it will drive a speaker, to the 5 channel amp before it branches out to all the speakers...still following me? From there the 5 channel amp sends a signal to the sub amp under the center seat using outputs out of the 5 channel amp under the dash.

The front speaker outputs off the factory unit are not used and are actually not wired on the harness that plugs into it. Look closely you will see the factory harness is missing four wires or pins. The factory unit feeds the amp using the rears out of the head unit. The four wires you want to look for are as follows:

(ALL THE PINS I REFERENCE ARE ON THE MAIN HARNESS THAT HAS THE MAJORITY OF WIRES COMING OUT OF IT!)
Left Rear positive+ (DG/DB) Dark Green / Dark Brown tracer /PIN#18 on the harness
Left Rear Negative - (DG/OR) Dark Green / Orange tracer / PIN#19 on the harness
Right Rear positive+ (GY/DB) Grey / Dark brown tracer / PIN#20 on the harness
Right Rear negative - (GY/OR) Grey / Orange tracer / PIN #21 on the harness

Those four wires feed the sound to the factory amp that is mounted above the glove box. The factory amp is a pain the arse to get to so don't bother messing with it.

Purchase a PAC SNI-35 or equivalent high level to low level converter. Try to get one that has gain adjustments on it so you can set your output from the head unit to the sub amp. Look to spend about $35.00 for this part. Wire the converter inline with the wires above paying attention to your polarity and balance (Left and Right). While you have the radio out go ahead and tag your ignition wire to the radio to use as a remote turn on for your sub amp. That wire should be pink with yellow tracer (PIN #2). Make sure you add a small 3 amp fuse to the remote turn on lead at the head unit in case it does short out due to installation or whatever. Always use a meter to check to see if its the correct wire. Snake your RCA's and remote turn on from the head unit area to the desired location of your sub amp.

You will have to run your own power wire from the battery to the amp. Follow all the rules of wiring such as a fuse at the battery and using a grommet on the firewall. I was able to snake a 2 four gauge wires through an existing grommet in the fire wall. If you have an auto you can use the block plate for the manual transmission pedal, I know you have an RC but I wrote this so the QC guys can do the same. :D Make sure you connect your RCA cables to the converter and tape them up.

You can go ahead and unplug the stock sub amp under the center seat so that it does not power up. Just unplug it by removing the stock harness from the amp.

I mounted my sub amp under the driver seat and placed the sub box behind the passenger seat. The stock speakers that run off the stock 5 channel amp are OK and will probably need to be replaced in the near future and can be without having to mess with changing out the amp. Thats a whole other write up.

I have all the schematics for the wiring in an 05 and have spent many hours studying the wiring for the stock setup. Even though I have listed wires on here always double check and test if needed. I won't be held responsible if you tag the wrong wire.

If you have any questions beyond what I have provided hit me up via PM and I will be more than happy to help a fellow 10er get er done. Cheers and good luck!

:rock:

P.S. please respond to this thread if it worked for you. Again this is only for the 05 RC's and QC's . I assume the 04's are the same, but you may want to double check. I know the 06's use a completely different setup and since I don't own an 06 well.....your on your own.

The stock sub and box are major poo and I tried many after market subs in the box to see what sounded best and had no good results after 3 speakers. Your best bet is to get an after market box with an after market sub.
 
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Here is the easy way!

Purchase a Rockford Fostgate 360.1 or equivalent. It is a digital signal processer that you will wire in to the factory amplifier connections (I recommend the primary amp behind the glove box.)

Now upgrade the sub amp and sub, simply plug the amp into the 360.1 low level signal outputs.

Then, upgrade to a multi channel amp for your speakers, plugging that amp into the 360.1 also and tapping into the existing speaker output wires off of the original amp.

There is really no need to upgrade the speaker wire in your truck unless you are in sound quality competitions, most people will not be able to hear the difference.

....people complain or make comments about "noises" from their drivetrain, they just don't have enough power in their stereo!!!! 2,658 watts RMS suits me just fine!
 
wow, cable fed has it nailed.
i just spent the last few weeknights pulling my ENTIRE 06 mega cab apart, just so i could use the factory head unit. i used the JL clean sweep SSI and DSP. if i had it to do over again, i would just replace the stupid thing with a good aftermarket head unit. i bought an amp bypass plug, then realized it wouldnt work, because the clean sweep uses the high level outputs from the factory amps (if i still wanted the steering wheel controls to work)
i pulled the WHOLE ENTIRE FRIGGIN ^t*&&(@(@)@ DASH OUT-everything. the only thing left was the tubing crossbrace that was welded in and the steering column. you cant believe the hvac duct work in the 06 dash....

and it still sucks ass. i put a JL 300x4 on the front and rear doors, and dash. replaced the doors wih rockford 6x9's, and still have to replace the dash speakers etc. i have a JL stealth box, with 2) 10w6's, ran by a jl 1000x1.

the jl subs wouldnt take much abuse, (in retrospect they might be ok, but i worked like crazy to fix the box and install the rockfords in it)
so i pulled them and replaced them with some rockford power 10's i had, and then rebuilt the inside of the box and braced/ fiberglassed it inside.

still not happy with it. it was supposed to be a simple upgrade. now i am builidng a whole new enclosure with 4- 10's and going to replace everything.
i cant stop, its a sickness.

oh and like cablefed said the factory amp is a PIA, there was 1 bolt i couldnt get too. thats why i spent 2 nights pulling the entire dash and guts out!
 
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You can also go RAMVIPERIFFICs way but it will cost you some bucks. The way I explained is the easiest and most cost effective way to add an after market sub.
 
Cablefed said:
Just be glad you don't own an 06 if you want to upgrade your audio. OUCH!
if anyone wants wire schem's for an 06 i have em. i really wish i didnt. my hands are still bleeding from the past week of thrashing on my mega cab. i cant tell you how bad that sucked.
 
Boomer, thats funny! I was actually looking at the wire schematics as I was writing this reply and I found blood on the paper from my install last year. The stock amp under the dash will make you cuss like no other and draw blood at the same time.
 
Hey Boomer....

My first sub upgrade lasted 1 week. Built a box to the size constraints behing the drivers seat and tumble seat. It was loaded with two 12" Alumapro subs. It sucked, could have dialed it in....but I wanted more. In the same box, I put in 2 Rockford P3S (their new shallow mount sub) and I was blown away! I was running that with a Diamond D6 1000.1 but I still had to have more. So I built a seperate box for a 3rd P3s and upgraded the amp to a Rockfor T1500.1. Now it really jams....much much better than any other RC pickup I've ever heard. Then....when you roll the windows down....it gets even better! I did upgrade the 360.1 to the 360.2 (lots more control!) I am Running a Rockford t600.4 to the dash speakers (upgraded to Canton 4" 2-way), I disconnected the center speaker which really let my "time-allignment" shine! I am still using the stock amp on the "rear speakers." I am running the Door drivers in "band-pass" mode off (the 360.2 really is awesome!).


all in all, the 05 is not too bad to rig up. The 360.2 is the key to the whole system. With it, there really is no reason to upgrade the head unit due to sound quality. Plus, my system looks "stock" yet it kicks-butt and still uses the steering wheel controls!
 
Damn dude you went all out. I just added a mono sub amp with a $300.00 kicker solobaric 10 inch sub that was preloaded in a kicker box from Circuit City. I love the way it sounds and like yours it still looks stock. I have the RB-1 though so I can hook up my IPOD using the MOPAR IPOD dealy.
 
Hey Boomer!

Thanks for the parts I ordered from you this am! Yes, it is an 05.

Jon:burnout:
 
Thats exactly what I needed, I should be able to tell you if it works with in the next few weeks.

Thanks!
 

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