Conservatives ask FBI to investigate hotel porn

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Pornographic movies now seem nearly as pervasive in America's hotel rooms as tiny shampoo bottles, and the lodging industry shows little concern as conservative activists rev up a protest campaign aimed at triggering a federal crackdown.

A coalition of 13 conservative groups -- including the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America -- took out full-page ads in some editions of USA Today earlier this month urging the Justice Department and FBI to investigate whether some of the pay-per-view movies widely available in hotels violate federal and state obscenity laws.

The coalition also is trying to draw attention to CleanHotels.com, a directory of hotels and motels nationwide that pledge to exclude adult offerings from their in-room entertainment service.

Though porn is now cheaply and readily accessible on the Internet, and through many other outlets, the activists chose to target the hotel industry in part because of the well-known brands of corporations that cater to family vacationers as well as business travelers.

"These are places that you take your family -- these are respectable institutions," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "Anything that brings porn into the mainstream is a concern. It just desensitizes people."

Precise statistics on in-room adult entertainment are hard to come by. By some estimates, adult movies are available in roughly 40 percent of the nation's hotels, representing more than 1.5 million rooms. Industry analysts suggest that these adult offerings generate 60 to 80 percent of total in-room entertainment revenue -- several hundred million dollars a year.

The recent newspaper ad mentioned no hotel companies by name because of legal concerns, but it did target the two major suppliers of in-room adult movies -- South Dakota-based LodgeNet and Denver-based OnCommand, a subsidiary of Liberty Media Corp. The ad accused both companies of distributing hardcore pornography to their hotel clients, and it provided a link to a list of X-rated movie titles.

Spokesmen for OnCommand and Liberty Media declined to comment on the ad, and LodgeNet's spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment. However, top spokespeople for two of the biggest hotel chains, Hilton and Marriott, defended the policies that make adult movies widely available at their affiliated hotels.

Both Kathy Shepard of Hilton and Roger Conner of Marriott said the bulk of their hotels are operated by franchise-holders who make their own decisions about in-room programming. They made clear, however, that their companies consider adult movies to be an acceptable option because they can be ignored or blocked out by guests not wishing to view them.

"Really ultraconservative groups try to target the hotels in their zest to eliminate porn," Shepard said. "In their zest to have their personal morals prevail, they're eliminating choice for others."

Conner said none of the programming offered by Marriott is illegal, and he depicted adult movies as a standard part of today's hotel business.

"In-room movies are a revenue stream," he said. "This is a business matter."

The leader of the campaign against in-room porn is Phil Burress, a self-described former porn addict who heads the Cincinnati-based Citizens for Community Values.

Burress and his allies have had some success regionally, pressuring about 15 Ohio and Kentucky hotels to stop offering adult movies. But he says a nationwide pressure campaign would be difficult because nearly all the big hotel chains have similar policies -- porn is available at some but not all of their affiliates.

Though unable to cite specific cases, Burress contended that the availability of in-room porn is making hotels more dangerous.

"As more and more of these (hardcore) titles become available, we're going to have sexual abuse cases coming out of the hotels," he said. "Hotels are just as dangerous as environments around strip joints and porn stores."

Burress said he was "cautiously optimistic" that Justice Department officials -- whom he and other anti-porn leaders confer with periodically -- would seriously consider investigating hotel-based pornography.

Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said federal authorities are committed to toughening enforcement of obscenity laws, but he declined to comment on specific targets for investigations.

LodgeNet and OnCommand together provide in-room entertainment to more than 1.8 million hotel room in North America -- with customers that include Sheraton, Hilton, Holiday Inn, Ritz-Carlton, Hyatt, Marriott and Ramada.

The standard in-room packages offered by LodgeNet and OnCommand include adult movies, but they have tried to accommodate hotels preferring a no-porn alternative, according to Shannon Sedgwick Davis, executive director of an association of hotels which don't offer adult movies to guests.

One problem, she said, is that the big hotel chains often have negotiated bulk contracts with the video suppliers that include the adult movies and can be expensive to cancel.
 
When will these people stop trying to cram their ideals down my throat, and realize that you cannot legislate morality? If you don't want to watch porn in a hotel, don't. If you don't want to listen to Howard Stern, don't. If you don't want to smoke a little weed, don't. I could obviously go on and on here. These people are as much a threat to our way of life as any foreign terrorist group IMO. They want our government to look into our bedrooms and cast away the sinners LOL. Really, don't these people have better things to do with their time? If they have this much time on their hands and they are so morally righteous, than why in the hell aren't they out helping sick babies in AIDS wards, or helping to feed homeless, or working with abused children? Again, I could go on and on. Instead they attempt to interject themselves into my life, making decisions for me, because they obviously know better than me what is good for me. It is their self-appointed mission to keep me from going to hell. Sorry, but hell for me would be eternity spent with these clowns.

And as a matter of fact, I never watch hotel porn. The company won't allow it hehehehee.
 
OCBob I'm with you .

1. When I go on vacation with my family I do not spend alot of time in the hotel room. I'm too busy having fun doing whatever there's to do in that city.
2. Why turn the TV on?
3. Most of that programminmg can be blocked by simply asking the front desk

HOW FLIPPIN HARD IS THAT?? I guess if you're a mindless Dolt that only does what your told, It's pretty tough.


Hey all you Mindless Dolts... Step in front of the oncoming Bus
 
OCBob said:
When will these people stop trying to cram their ideals down my throat, and realize that you cannot legislate morality?

Bob-o,

I do agree with nearly everything you've said....save the above quote...

I have heard that phrase "you can't legislate morality" for many years now. And it makes for an (ostensibly) intelligent sound byte. But, as a matter of fact, what may loosely be termed "morality" is legislated unilaterally and on a daily basis. and that statement is incorrect IMO.

One obvious example is the existence of our laws against murder.... It is immoral to kill another human (or even batter them) without proper cause.... such as self defense. As a result of that moral code, we have made it illegal to commit such an act.

True, you cannot neccesarily force someone to conform to your personal moral code. But to abolish all laws in the name of that ill conceived premise is tantamount to the promotion of anarchy.

If a guy wants to ejaculate into his hat, that's his business. But when he wants to do so into MY HAT without my permission, that's immoral...and dammit, it should be illegal too......

However, the argument about making it illegal to offer porn in hotels is bullshit..... Let the free market decide.

SD
 
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Hey D-

I don't really have the words to express the sentiment behind that statement. Certainly, if your behavior causes harm to others, than that behavior should be deemed illegal. Now, if your behavior is merely offensive on a "moral" scale to some (i.e. drug use, sexual deviance hehehe, or simply worshipping a grasshopper as your God), then that behavior should be accepted. I don't expect any of these types to embrace my lifestyle, but I should be free to live it, just as they are free to live theirs. I find their behavior offensive, just as they do mine. But I am not out trying to browbeat spineless politicians into bringing about legislation to eradicate their behavior. Live and let live is probably the gist of it.

You being the wordsmith here, rather than the morality phrase, how could that idea be better said?
 
OCBob said:
Hey D-
You being the wordsmith here, rather than the morality phrase, how could that idea be better said?

LOL......Gee that's a good question bro..... I guess I could write a sound byte for that sentiment if I wanted to.....

My singular objection was simply to that one phrase about legislating morality. I've heard it used a thousand times and always disagreed with it.

I am in complete agreement that people should be allowed freedom...especially in America. In fact, despite my ultra right wing stand, I consider myself a Libertarian.

If a guys wants to smoke dope or even shoot herion (God help 'em) it's better to remove the criminal element with it's murderous greed and associated crimes than to try and prevent people from getting high.

I don't condone herion or drug abuse in any way. But I can't stop it either.... No one can....If someone wants to kill himslef on drugs....let him....it's his life...no different than any other form of suicide.

Give me some time and I'll think about constructing a valid truism for your point...If there is one to be devised.... I guess I'm the guy...

But I do agree with your gut on this bro....Just not that phrase.

Love ya bud.

Tim
 
I think it comes down to how you define morality. I would say that morality is defined as an individual's personal beliefs as to what is right or wrong. By that standard, the statement, "You can't legislate morality" stands. If someone makes a law tomorrow making hamburgers illegal, that doesn't change my belief that hamburgers are tasty.

As to the porn in hotel rooms thing - get a hobby people, and mind your own business. As long as you aren't affecting anyone else, what you do in private is A-OK by me.
 
RatMotor said:
I think it comes down to how you define morality. I would say that morality is defined as an individual's personal beliefs as to what is right or wrong. By that standard, the statement, "You can't legislate morality" stands.

Apparentely, you didn't read my first post here.......

I shouldn't really engage in this conversation with anyone who thinks the way you do.....But for a forum brother I'll make a brief exception....no offense meant....

The differences between right and wrong are not subjective..... No more than darkness and light, up or down... They are what they are..... Once we enter into "what you believe" we enter into an arena devoid of all reason and personal conviction.

You get back to me with your "my morality, my reality" scenario after some maniac breaks into your home, rapes your wife and kills your defenseless children. Will you still maintain your premise regarding the subjectification of morality...........? After all, what if his reality of morality is that there IS NO morality...?

Look up malignant narcissism in a medical dictionary and you'll get a better idea of what I'm attempting to elucidate.

There really IS a right and a wrong.... Don't let anyone fool ya'....

SD
 
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OCBob said:
When will these people stop trying to cram their ideals down my throat, and realize that you cannot legislate morality? If you don't want to watch porn in a hotel, don't. If you don't want to listen to Howard Stern, don't. If you don't want to smoke a little weed, don't. I could obviously go on and on here. These people are as much a threat to our way of life as any foreign terrorist group IMO. They want our government to look into our bedrooms and cast away the sinners LOL. Really, don't these people have better things to do with their time? If they have this much time on their hands and they are so morally righteous, than why in the hell aren't they out helping sick babies in AIDS wards, or helping to feed homeless, or working with abused children? Again, I could go on and on. Instead they attempt to interject themselves into my life, making decisions for me, because they obviously know better than me what is good for me. It is their self-appointed mission to keep me from going to hell. Sorry, but hell for me would be eternity spent with these clowns.

And as a matter of fact, I never watch hotel porn. The company won't allow it hehehehee.


*Pushes chair back, stands up and claps*

Well said, Bob. Thank you. +1 :cool: :canabis: :D :star:
 
Ahhh D, interesting thing there that you brought up. I believe that right/wrong is based on individual beliefs. Prime example, the taking of a life. Some believe that it is wrong, no exceptions. Now there are many that feel it can be justified. Some feel the death penatly is just fine. Some feel that war makes it ok. Some, like me, would tell you that it is justified whenever I feel that one of mine is in a situation that puts them in danger. What is the answer? Who is right? I believe that morality means something different to each and everyone of us. There is some big stuff that most can agree on, but what could be bigger than the taking of a life?

I know that the taking of an "innocent" life would put almost everyone on the same side of the fence. That is until you try to define innocent.

Just some food for thought.
 
OCBob said:
I know that the taking of an "innocent" life would put almost everyone on the same side of the fence. That is until you try to define innocent.

Just some food for thought.

Taking into consideration your own need to subjectify the term "innocent" illustrates the vapidity and vaccuousness of your entire premise.

You know damned well what is and what isn't. I won't beat my head against the wall in an attempt to convince others of the existence of absolutes.

Try denying gravity..................I'm done.

SD
 
Silent D said:
Try denying gravity..................I'm done.

Ok.....just one more thing......

Just because I speak forcefully about this matter does NOT mean that I lack respect for OCBob.

He is a fine brother and a person of great quality.

The fact that I may disagree with him does not mean that I have lost any love for him or anything of that nature.... God bless you, bro. I know the great goodness in you.....and I do respect you...:rock:

SD
 
Its not like its just ON the tv...you have to go thru a disclaimer and everything. I think sometimes you have to even call the front desk and unlock the good stuff hehe :)
 
Silent D said:
Taking into consideration your own need to subjectify the term "innocent" illustrates the vapidity and vaccuousness of your entire premise.

You know damned well what is and what isn't. I won't beat my head against the wall in an attempt to convince others of the existence of absolutes.

Try denying gravity..................I'm done.

SD
No way D, there are no absolutes when it comes to these things. Are you saying that the taking of a life is wrong? If there are absolutes it either is or isn't, and is not subject to any interpretation or exception.

I am not trying to stir shit either, just trying to understand your take on this.
 
Silent D said:
After all, what if his reality of morality is that there IS NO morality...?

There really IS a right and a wrong.... Don't let anyone fool ya'....

SD

That being the case then the guy's actions would be wrong, but to him he was right. I belive everything is subjective. You will always find someone who believes one thing is right where everyone else thinks its wrong.
 
I am going to avoid the morality discussion here.

Does anyone else see this as a slippery slope? We (adults and children) have easier access to porn on the internet than in hotel rooms. Most hotels I stay in (an I travel alot) have free wireless internet in the rooms. It is easier to sign on to the web than get to the porn on the TV in hotel rooms(so I'm told :) ) If I were so inclined, I could surf the web for porn movies and probably pay less for them than on Spank-o-Vison at the hotel. Are these ultraconservatives going to outlaw wireless internet access along with Spank-o-Vision?

On another note, I am willing to bet that most of these folks protesting have watched (perhaps own :dontknow: ) one or more porn flicks.. Oh but that was probably just "research" so they could spout this BS. ;)
 
muscletrucks said:
I am going to avoid the morality discussion here.

Does anyone else see this as a slippery slope? We (adults and children) have easier access to porn on the internet than in hotel rooms. Most hotels I stay in (an I travel alot) have free wireless internet in the rooms. It is easier to sign on to the web than get to the porn on the TV in hotel rooms(so I'm told :) ) If I were so inclined, I could surf the web for porn movies and probably pay less for them than on Spank-o-Vison at the hotel. Are these ultraconservatives going to outlaw wireless internet access along with Spank-o-Vision?

On another note, I am willing to bet that most of these folks protesting have watched (perhaps own :dontknow: ) one or more porn flicks.. Oh but that was probably just "research" so they could spout this BS. ;)
It is most definitly a slippery slope. This is just the latest case of a special interest group exerting pressure to get their way, when the vast majority either don't agree with them or don't care. They love to notch away at our freedoms with one small move after another. This way most people don't seem to notice.
 
muscletrucks said:
On another note, I am willing to bet that most of these folks protesting have watched (perhaps own :dontknow: ) one or more porn flicks.. Oh but that was probably just "research" so they could spout this BS. ;)


Did anyone watch the Tourgasim on HBO with Dane Cook? For those of you that missed it here is a quick rundown. It was a behind the scenes look at a road trip with 4 comedians. One episode they started talking about porn. Well one of the guys says he is trying to live a clean moral life and he thinks they shouldn't be talking about porn. Well later on they got the hotel bill and that guy ordered like 8 movies in one night.
 
FlyingLow said:
Did anyone watch the Tourgasim on HBO with Dane Cook? For those of you that missed it here is a quick rundown. It was a behind the scenes look at a road trip with 4 comedians. One episode they started talking about porn. Well one of the guys says he is trying to live a clean moral life and he thinks they shouldn't be talking about porn. Well later on they got the hotel bill and that guy ordered like 8 movies in one night.
Ahhh, hypocrisy at it's finest LOL. It was probably just a mistake though, he just couldn't figure out how to use the confusing menu, time after time after time heheheheheheeh.
 
OCBob said:
Ahhh, hypocrisy at it's finest LOL. It was probably just a mistake though, he just couldn't figure out how to use the confusing menu, time after time after time heheheheheheeh.


Nope, they confronted him on camera and he admitted to it.
 

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