Education as a topic

[GotRidOfTheHemiForThis]

If I had a bachelors I would have with no doubt get a career in working in insurance. My associates that /i got at a 2 year tech school just doesnt seem to hold very much weight..

Look into applying for a career in claims with insurance company as an appraiser/estimator..
Its good money to start (50-55K consistent salary) company car, laptop, great benefits and a very nice schedule... This is actually what I think will be my dream job. Your very lucky to have prof within such a short distance, without a doubt he can help you achieve your goal.. At the point I am now, I wish I had let go of my truck when you did.. Your really not missing out on much besides the headache..

Sup bro long time no talk, glad to see your still round these parts. I thought about it cause I could be around cars all day lol. And for the record I still miss my truck like hell, someday I will have another I think just gonna take some time. And did you see my sig I got the headache/brain damage still its like a good drug you can't give up. I bought a charger lol same red color as my truck almost as fast as a stock srt truck but im smart here no mods until I feel its right and other items are outta the way. Plus this one has no attachment so if its gotta go then oh well repo it ya know or sell it ect.

 

[Django]

A degree is all fine and good. It proves that you have the ability to memorize facts or data. But it doesn't make you sharp and productive.

Experience can be worth as much as a degree, maybe more. It depends on the field you wish to enter. In my day, a innate ability for innovative thinking, a rational approach to problem solving and a cool head was worth even more to a prospective employer than a degree......

But, what do I know.......? I haven't had a real job since 2002. But then again, all my bills are still paid, I have a credit score of about 800 and we've never missed a meal unless we were on a frickin' fast 'er something... So, I guess I must'a done a few things right........ without a degree..... :dontknow:

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[Prof]

Mike, the degree is like a foundation. Without it you cannot aspire to many things, because as has been said above, you simply will not be considered.

Bob is also correct, an advanced degree is even better, and a terminal degree (the highest level of education in a particular field) is wonderful.

But with all the degrees in the world a person without the will to work hard and smart is no better off than a person without a degree. So personal motivation is critical too.

One of the things that a degree says to a potential employer is that the holder of a degree is focused enough to see a program to its conclusion, that is a characteristic that is desirable. Few of us "loved" studying, at least not until we got well into graduate school, calculus and physical chemistry were a bitch, so was music appreciation!

Most of us that teach these days have taken up the banner of trying to instill the concept of "critical thinking" into our curriculum. With that tool the memorization, and application of templates becomes a much more rational and useful tool.

I tell all of my students to get as much education as you can because once you stop, the chances of going back are pretty slim.

Education is good. Those without it generally will come to regret not having it, few with it, would give it back.

 

[GotRidOfTheHemiForThis]

Mike, the degree is like a foundation. Without it you cannot aspire to many things, because as has been said above, you simply will not be considered.

Bob is also correct, an advanced degree is even better, and a terminal degree (the highest level of education in a particular field) is wonderful.

But with all the degrees in the world a person without the will to work hard and smart is no better off than a person without a degree. So personal motivation is critical too.

One of the things that a degree says to a potential employer is that the holder of a degree is focused enough to see a program to its conclusion, that is a characteristic that is desirable. Few of us "loved" studying, at least not until we got well into graduate school, calculus and physical chemistry were a bitch, so was music appreciation!

Most of us that teach these days have taken up the banner of trying to instill the concept of "critical thinking" into our curriculum. With that tool the memorization, and application of templates becomes a much more rational and useful tool.

I tell all of my students to get as much education as you can because once you stop, the chances of going back are pretty slim.

Education is good. Those without it generally will come to regret not having it, few with it, would give it back.

Roy, you know I agree with you, but even you as a teacher have to admit whats being crammed down the throats of the younger newbie kids in college these days is a bit of a sham (By how they push the degree ideals of the past). I mean realistically the costs of even going are plain ridiculous and silly and then not taking into account the sad market for jobs these days it just seems unfair and sad. I really felt bad for the poor kids graduating last semester with barely any work experience with this market to try and jump into. At least I have experience (although a bit different than the average folks) and have been working hard for years, yet many of these poor kids only know starbucks as a job and have no idea what awaits them beyond. And please don't even say the most hated word in my book, internship aka a barely paying gig that more often than not uses you and makes you live like a poor person while your hoping for a job that you most likely wont get! (not getting in to it, moving on)...

I just kind of find it ironic over the years how when I began and the jobs were pretty plentiful and we were less of a services based economy than we are now how a degree brought you so much. Yet now, hahaha the dwindling jobs for graduates is plain funny. Hell, melissa has had a bachelors degree in HR for 3-4 years and you know what she does, ...... She could only find a job doing customer service on the phone for Honda Finance and hasn't even gotten a promotion yet after almost 5 years (2 years as a temp)! My point is the degree to me seems far less valuable now than lets say back in 2000 10 years ago and it only seems to keep getting lower but the costs keep rising. Yet I'm just not reading or visually seeing the real bonus of having it in the end result in my mind. I will cause I always said I would get my degree but it just bothers the heck outta my little brain! (its like a freaking puzzle with no way to solve the dam thing) bothers me!

 

[Prof]

The job market is not an issue caused by the educational system.

I am willing to bet that the top 100 college graduates in every graduating class across the nation had lots of offers to choose from. That is a reality of life and it is related to the discipline and "willingness to work hard and smart" phrase that I stated above.

None of us are in the top 100 in anything we do, but you have to choose your pond wisely...your degree will be in business...if your bachelors was in forensic accounting...or petroleum drilling safety you would have selected a pond of unique importance and getting a job would not be an issue.

You have done well to stick with the process...that alone will say great things about you in the future. Be sure to select a firm that pays for schooling and get your MBA immediately...you will be praising my guidance in future years!

 

[GotRidOfTheHemiForThis]

The job market is not an issue caused by the educational system.

I am willing to bet that the top 100 college graduates in every graduating class across the nation had lots of offers to choose from. That is a reality of life and it is related to the discipline and "willingness to work hard and smart" phrase that I stated above.

None of us are in the top 100 in anything we do, but you have to choose your pond wisely...your degree will be in business...if your bachelors was in forensic accounting...or petroleum drilling safety you would have selected a pond of unique importance and getting a job would not be an issue.

You have done well to stick with the process...that alone will say great things about you in the future. Be sure to select a firm that pays for schooling and get your MBA immediately...you will be praising my guidance in future years!

I didn't mean that the job market was caused by the educational system, What I was referring to was how for example at my school, they are always enunciating the fact that the degree is all you need to achieve. They forget to mention the whole experience and don't inform kids on what is currently going down in the outside markets. They just seem to keep playing on the idea that the degree degree degree is all you need. On top of that many of the ideals that have been taught in business are all changing scope as we both speak right now. As mentioned earlier we are becoming a service nation, a middle man in so many words. This was not the case when I began and when many others began there schooling. There curriculum changes are far to slow to address the now over the past. Yes when I started there was some of these concepts taught but not enough to even have a real outlook on what we as future workers entering our fields will in reality have to deal with. I am aware of these things to the best of my ability but even I as a concerned individual don't have all the time in the work to keep up these days.

The MBA will happen but I will need to find a firm and job to begin growing into. Once that happens my MBA can be focused and relative to my future. So I may take a year or two off but when I find a career path then my dedication will kick into high gear to achieve bigger and better as it always does in everything I do.

As before Im just annoyed that I paid all this money for school and probably honestly have picked up 15 min of real world thought currently and only have my last 2 classes even dealt with some sort of reality. Stats and studies are nice but reality is sooooo much better in my opinion. Ive had more educated and informative conversations with people like you or even with strangers at starbucks than in school, frankly SAD. I only can hope in the future a tower tech foreman with a degree can be taken a little more seriously on interviews. I'm so annoyed and them looking at me like what does he do and does he possess skills we want or need. Plus I really need to work on my ass kissing ability cause as you could probably guess ..... I SUCK!

No i'm not in the top 100 either I work for a living, so that makes me number 1 :elefant: :elefant: :elefant:

 

[THEDAV]

My opinion on education is - it is what you make of it, but that is true with anything in life.

If you are going to school to become an engineer/lawyer/medical field, then you MUST go to school to learn how to do your job. If you just think you need to get a degree to get a good paying job, then you are wrong (I don't have a formal eduction and check out my rides!); you need desire, drive, ability and work ethic. Most of my friends who have BA/BS degrees have a job that has nothing to do with what they studied in school.

The advice that I got was to do what you love, and you will always be happy (from my father, M.D., multiple B.S. degrees :argh: ).

Of the few millionaires that I know personally, not a single one has a formal education . . . . . . .

If you only have a couple of credits left, then you'd be an idiot if you didn't finish, but there is NO WAY you would regret having a college degree.

 

[eddie102870]

My opinion on education is - it is what you make of it, but that is true with anything in life.

If you are going to school to become an engineer/lawyer/medical field, then you MUST go to school to learn how to do your job. If you just think you need to get a degree to get a good paying job, then you are wrong (I don't have a formal eduction and check out my rides!); you need desire, drive, ability and work ethic. Most of my friends who have BA/BS degrees have a job that has nothing to do with what they studied in school.

The advice that I got was to do what you love, and you will always be happy (from my father, M.D., multiple B.S. degrees :argh: ).

Of the few millionaires that I know personally, not a single one has a formal education . . . . . . .

If you only have a couple of credits left, then you'd be an idiot if you didn't finish, but there is NO WAY you would regret having a college degree.

i agree with you, i know quite a few who have made millions with little or no edjucation. hell at baypoint marina in panama city theres a whole row of multi-million dollar yachts owned by men without formal edjucation, they call it redneck row...lol not saying a degree wouldnt be useful. i dont have one but i push my children hard. even my oldest son who is in the marine corps is working on his while he is in and its paid for. most of all i tell them to find something that they love for a career. it sucks getting up every morning going to a job you hate. ive been there before.

 

[Black1]

The reason it seems like having a degree doesn't automatically get you a job is because almost 80% of the young people coming into the workforce have one.... It's a lot different than 20-30 years ago, when having a degree was something "special". It's even more critical now, because so much of your competition has one.

The guys saying "most of the millionaires they now" don't have a formal education is probably valid (I know a few myself). But, that is still a extremely small percentage of millionaires in this country.

 

[Tooloe]

Sorry to hear, I think I remember talking with you a while back about jobs considering I almost became what you were. I'm not to far off conceptually from you due to I work in the tower field (Cellular Side and know all bout you ruff necks). Actually worked with quite a few of the guys who either got laid off or let go and they decided to move to my field cause in some sense its the same life style except we work all the time no 7 on 7 off (I wish). Im kind of at the same point you were in your field too where advancement stops and the work is high money contract BS with me kissing a butt load of azz to make all our clients happy therefore giving us more work. Not including killing myself physically and mentally. Used to like my job before injuries became an issue and the fact that I enjoy off time a little bit more than before

But see the difference between me and you is you picked aviation which seems kick butt funn! Additionally there always gonna need pilots to fly round. Me unfortunately, I picked business which up until a few years ago seemed the safe smart route but these days I'm unsure it was the right choice for me do to the dwindling job market in business and kinda my personality differences. Should of just went with what I thought was the wrong plan and been a mechanic eh oh well there's always the future i guess if I cant find a job when I'm done off to mechanic school lol.

From left field: Dam you got a lot of schooling done pretty fast bro, hell I'm 27 and I'm still going, been going since 18 to get my associates then bachelors finally. It stinks when you gotta work full time and then do classes on top of it, god it takes forever!! Wanted to go military at 18 but..... the current future wife and some of my family threatened me with physical harm if I decided to sign up sooooo here I yam!

only reason i got done with school so fast is i've been taking over 16+ hours a semester lol... i'm not dicking around with it.. but according to my oso i need to slow down take less hours get a litte bit better grades... and make sure i get done in 2013

 

[Demon 8]

It always boils down to who you know and how well you sell yourself

 

[GotRidOfTheHemiForThis]

It always boils down to who you know and how well you sell yourself

I really hate that idea, its all who ya know just irritates the hell out of me! Do you realize how many people there that can probably do a better job than the guy someone knows. And the reason the guy who can do the job better knows no one is cause he's working to hard somewhere else.

 

[THEDAV]

i agree with you, i know quite a few who have made millions with little or no edjucation. hell at baypoint marina in panama city theres a whole row of multi-million dollar yachts owned by men without formal edjucation, they call it redneck row...lol not saying a degree wouldnt be useful. i dont have one but i push my children hard. even my oldest son who is in the marine corps is working on his while he is in and its paid for. most of all i tell them to find something that they love for a career. it sucks getting up every morning going to a job you hate. ive been there before.

REDNECK ROW, LOL . . . . that's awesome!:rock:

 

[THEDAV]

It always boils down to who you know and how well you sell yourself

pretty much . . . . . . . . . . but you still have to have the juice.