End of Gas powered Muscle cars/trucks?

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OWCH....

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=455013&topart=utes

New rules will force the car kings to shift their focus. Revised CAFE standards require automakers to raise the average mileage of their car and truck fleets to 35 mpg by 2020. Proposed pollution standards in the U.S. and Europe may force even more dramatic increases. And if California wins the right in court to regulate global-warming emissions, you might just kiss your super-powered car goodbye — at least those that rely solely on gasoline.
 
RedSrt007 said:
OWCH....

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=455013&topart=utes

New rules will force the car kings to shift their focus. Revised CAFE standards require automakers to raise the average mileage of their car and truck fleets to 35 mpg by 2020. Proposed pollution standards in the U.S. and Europe may force even more dramatic increases. And if California wins the right in court to regulate global-warming emissions, you might just kiss your super-powered car goodbye — at least those that rely solely on gasoline.
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I am not surprised. I think any type of fossil fuel powered vehicle will be eventually become illegal at some point.
 
if u want something new and cool, u NEEDto check out this months issue of diesel power....6.7L cummins viper, with factory tune for 1000 rwhp and decent milage...lol, no more gas for me^_^
 
This is an interesting article and helps stir the pot like a number of other articles I've read. We are destined for changes that we will have to face even with are trucks. We may find down the road that our state will not allow us to register our vehicle for street use. The way I see it we need to use some of that original "Hot Rod" ingenuity that was used decades ago. One possibility is Alcohol based fuel. I read an article about a race fuel that is now available that has some really good numbers. I have been thinking of looking into the conversion to this fuel. It would replace the gasoline and would allow the use of Alternate Fuel Plates and the HOV lane on the freeways!!! It may be more expensive , but those of us that plan on keeping our trucks for a long time would have another direction to go. We may have to drive less but we would still have our hot rods. There are a lot of design issues that would have to be solved in order to use this type of fuel especially in the area of safety and the possibility of fire. A fuel that burns with visible color is only one of many issues that will be needed. Anybody have comments?
 
i actually read the entire article, and started wondering....how many of the american auto companies have anything close to a 35mpg avg....i know dodge doesnt.....ford and chevy arent really close....
 
099 FEVER said:
This is an interesting article and helps stir the pot like a number of other articles I've read. We are destined for changes that we will have to face even with are trucks. We may find down the road that our state will not allow us to register our vehicle for street use. The way I see it we need to use some of that original "Hot Rod" ingenuity that was used decades ago. One possibility is Alcohol based fuel. I read an article about a race fuel that is now available that has some really good numbers. I have been thinking of looking into the conversion to this fuel. It would replace the gasoline and would allow the use of Alternate Fuel Plates and the HOV lane on the freeways!!! It may be more expensive , but those of us that plan on keeping our trucks for a long time would have another direction to go. We may have to drive less but we would still have our hot rods. There are a lot of design issues that would have to be solved in order to use this type of fuel especially in the area of safety and the possibility of fire. A fuel that burns with visible color is only one of many issues that will be needed. Anybody have comments?
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Ive been reading alot of articles, also. I believe the manufactures and oil giants will provide the answer for us. The racing industry is too BIG for it to be silenced because of The Green Machine Movement. GM is almost ready with a 500 to 600 hp engine using sometype of alternative fuel.

The only good thing about the loss of muscle car production as we know it today, is that our very limited produced trucks, a little more thatn 10,000 total so I understand, will become a dinosar. There are some people, with money, who like to own a dinosar like ours. The appreciation of value is closer than we think. :alberteinstein: :top: :idea:

Some People desire to do things that gets them into trouble, like driving a gas hog when it is illegal.
 
sleeper said:
I think most of us will be dead by then.
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hehe, even interested as to follow evolutions i'm not gonne let my sleep as to how long we still can drive our muscle cars... it's not gonne happen all that of a sudden i suppose... perhaps ( and let us hope ) we live long enough to see it all but at that time i will be far to old to drive anymore my truck... in fact like PROF right now... :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ..............;)
 
When I was a young lad, (back in the 60's) we were taught that America was the bread basket to the world because of our natural resources (fertile land) and the people who toiled long and hard to reap a harvest ( our farmers). I am not suggesting that "biofuels" will replace petroleum, but, just may ease the pressure enough. The diesel motor was originally designed to burn vegetable oil. Wheat futures and other agro commodities are at an all time high. John Deere just beat the street big time. If America's land is more valuable planted with a crop instead of condo's, this may quietly herald a return to this great American tradition. Yes, bread, pasta, milk, will increase in price, but the majority of this increase will hopefully go into the American farmer's pocket. And yes, I've heard the argument that it costs more to produce a gallon of ethanol, did they calculate that bit of info running all the farm equipment on biodiesel? And since I mentioned ethanol, it's not just corn that yields this end product. Right here in NY they have re-opended a couple of shuttered breweries to begin ethanol production upstate. But they are using a scrub oak or switch grass, NOT CORN. This post was not meant to be the answer to all our energy problems, just provocative enough to keep us thinking clearly.:) Just a little thinking "outside the fuel can"
 
Long live the street rod and custom culture...we may be the last muscle car vestige.
 
RedSrt007 said:
OWCH....


New rules will force the car kings to shift their focus. Revised CAFE standards require automakers to raise the average mileage of their car and truck fleets to 35 mpg by 2020. Proposed pollution standards in the U.S. and Europe may force even more dramatic increases. And if California wins the right in court to regulate global-warming emissions, you might just kiss your super-powered car goodbye — at least those that rely solely on gasoline.
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Average Mileage of the Fleet.

Being as cars like the Corvette are already closing in on 30mpg highway, I think that if there is a market for high performance cars, the manufacturers will find a way. They still have 12 years to further improve technology.

Though a 500+ cubic inch, 35mpg V10 is hard to imagine...:dontknow: :(
 
Screw it,Enjoy what you got while you got it!!:D
I remember when everyone thought performance was gone forever in the early seventies.Whether we burn gas,corn propane,hydrogen,whatever,there will still be performance.:D :D Oh yeah,I,ll probably be dead by then too.:dontknow:
 
It is certainly in the cards in the future. 2009 will be the last year of air cooled Harleys. It's sort of sad to see. I mean, really how much can air cooled Harleys contribute to the emissions of the country? Gas power will be next. Won't be long we'll all be driving segways LOL.
 
Georgia Ken said:
Ive been reading alot of articles, also. I believe the manufactures and oil giants will provide the answer for us. The racing industry is too BIG for it to be silenced because of The Green Machine Movement. GM is almost ready with a 500 to 600 hp engine using sometype of alternative fuel.

The only good thing about the loss of muscle car production as we know it today, is that our very limited produced trucks, a little more thatn 10,000 total so I understand, will become a dinosar. There are some people, with money, who like to own a dinosar like ours. The appreciation of value is closer than we think. :alberteinstein: :top: :idea:

Some People desire to do things that gets them into trouble, like driving a gas hog when it is illegal.
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WHOA Georgia Ken... You're back... :confused: Where have you been buddy?

2020? Apparently with the lining up of the earth, its summer and winter solstices and both equinox positions with the celestial equator, the sun AND the center of the galaxy (black void or black hole) located at the 13th zodiac "Ophiucus" ALLL on December 21st 2012, life as we know it has a little over four years to go anyway (according to the Mayan calender, Nostradamous AND the great Merlin). :dontknow: So drive 'em hard!
 
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I read this article and I would agree with most of you about the loss of your environmentally unfriendly trucks. Just remember the government is not going to take away our great trucks anytime soon, or ever. Big brother is not going to take away our toys.

One thing I look forward to is when all you speed freaks get into some other drive train:) It is coming. I have research the electric offerings and there is a fringe out their that is looks at power. Take a look at this:http://www.teslamotors.com/

There are other examples of electric cars that might snap your head back, but I'm on my new macbook tonight, so I don't have access to all my bookmarks of great electric offerings so far.

One thing I am looking forward to id driving up to the line and not being able to hear one thing... when the light goes green we will see who has the bad ass vehicle.

Call me a tree hugger all you want but I believe electric and other fuel sources will satisfy our need for horsepower.

-jeff
 
Venom Power said:
WHOA Georgia Ken... You're back... :confused: Where have you been buddy?

2020? Apparently with the lining up of the earth, its summer and winter solstices and both equinox positions with the celestial equator, the sun AND the center of the galaxy (black void or black hole) located at the 13th zodiac "Ophiucus" ALLL on December 21st 2012, life as we know it has a little over four years to go anyway (according to the Mayan calender, Nostradamous AND the great Merlin). :dontknow: So drive 'em hard!
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LOL... STOP WATCHIN HISTORY CHANNEL MAN.... I WATCHED THAT NOSTRADAMOUS SHOW TOO...LOL...
 
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