Gasoline could go from 10% ethanol up to 20%

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http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/environment/2008-03-04-e20-ethanol-fuel_N.htm

By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Key backers of ethanol fuel are starting a push to double the amount of ethanol commonly blended with gasoline to 20%. The move would boost the market for grain alcohol, while skirting problems and controversy surrounding E85, an 85% ethanol fuel.
Blending ethanol — alcohol typically now made from corn — into gasoline is a way to cut petroleum use. A 10% ethanol blend, called E10, now is standard at many gasoline pumps across the USA. It can be used by virtually all gasoline vehicles, which is not true of the E85 being promoted as a fuel of the future.

Studies by the University of Minnesota and Minnesota State University at Mankato suggest that ordinary vehicles could burn a mix of 20% ethanol, called E20, as routinely and harmlessly as they now burn E10. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty is to announce the study results at a conference here today.

"We see E20 not exactly as bypassing E85, but supplementing it," says Gene Hugoson, Minnesota agriculture commissioner.

A separate study, commissioned by the Renewable Fuels Association and not yet finished, will assess the environmental impact of doubling the alcohol.

Minnesota law requires 20% of fuel used be ethanol within a few years, making the matter more urgent there than elsewhere. The mandate could be satisfied if enough motorists burn E85 to raise the average to 20% — or if E20 replaces E10 as the state's standard fuel.

Hitting the state's goal, as well as boosting U.S. ethanol use as much as the industry hopes, "will take awhile" relying on E85, Hugoson says. E85 availability remains limited mainly to the Midwest. It is potentially corrosive, making it hard to ship in pipelines and requiring special fuel system parts in vehicles. E85 also has far less energy than gasoline, so it takes more to go the same distance.

For E20 to become a legal fuel, however, it would need U.S. Environmental Protection Agency approval.

Automakers also have doubts that it is as benign as E10. They are running trials, but they say they do not have enough data on how risky E20 is to components and whether it would change emissions in unwanted ways.

"Our vehicles are able to handle E10, but to move to E20 there are technical issues. It's not that simple," says Ford Motor (F) spokeswoman Kristen Kinley.

General Motors (GM) spokesman Alan Adler says that in E20 tests in Australia, "40% of the vehicles sustained (catalytic converter) damage, which allowed essentially unchecked tailpipe emissions."

"We believe there's not data sufficient to prove that all vehicles will function OK with E20," says Reg Modlin, director of environmental affairs for Chrysler. "It's not a legal fuel, and it would void the warranty."
 
it would be a lot easier for everyone to just slow down and get better fuel mileage. that would get a lot more done and wouldnt cost a dime to do.:D remember back in the 70s when they lowered the speed limit.
 
They lowered the speed limit in the 70's ...well, I didn't lower mine in the 70's or the 80's ,90's only lowered mine when I saw a cop....
 
My favorite part is that they don't mention that these blends result in less fuel economy and less performance.....thus using more gas....so what are we really saving here?

--wes
 
VIPR PWR said:
They lowered the speed limit in the 70's ...well, I didn't lower mine in the 70's or the 80's ,90's only lowered mine when I saw a cop....
haha here here!! what i dont get...we have the OIL so why are we burning FOOD? dun make sence to me....and seeing as how this was one of the coldest winters on record does it matter that much toward global warming?
 
Come out with alternative fuel vehicles, that get 500+hp and look great....that would change everything. Period.

-Red
 
I just want my Hybrid Diesel that runs on Biodiesel... gets 50-60mpg and makes 350hp and 610lb/ft... and with a couple tweaks will make over 500hp and 750 lb/ft :)
 
It is bs... I have a FFV vehicle... and why? There are no stations around me... when i lived in Georgia, there where 3 stations total open to the public in the state.... plus the mileage sucks so bad on e-85, you can't even cover the cost of running it versus 87 octane fuel.

so you want to sell me somthing that cost more to run and get less performance out of it.... F THAT
 
wesman said:
My favorite part is that they don't mention that these blends result in less fuel economy and less performance.....thus using more gas....so what are we really saving here?

--wes

...:dito: .....and how the price of food will increase as feed corn and other vegetables are turned into fuel evoking supply & demand........and that it takes more energy and produces more pollution per gallon of ethanol to make it..
 

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