Is the Viper a Hemi?

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Sounds stupid, but I do not know the answer.

I thought that the hemi reffered to the hemispherical heads. I also thought that basicly all the newer mopar engines were hemi's. I was recently informed that I was wrong.

So what is the real answer?

Thanks,
Dale
 
No it does not have hemispherical heads. SO nope its not a hemi. But word is the the gen. 4 motor will have hemispherical heads.
 
tinygiants said:
Sounds stupid, but I do not know the answer.

I thought that the hemi reffered to the hemispherical heads. I also thought that basicly all the newer mopar engines were hemi's. I was recently informed that I was wrong.

So what is the real answer?

Thanks,
Dale
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TheSickness said:
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You are a moderator...... ;)
 
tinygiants said:
Sounds stupid, but I do not know the answer.

I thought that the hemi reffered to the hemispherical heads. I also thought that basicly all the newer mopar engines were hemi's. I was recently informed that I was wrong.

So what is the real answer?

Thanks,
Dale

There's no such thing as a "stupid" question Bro!;)

Just stupid people who ask questions!!!!:D :D However, ask yourself this...Did I buy a Viper truck or a Hemi truck?
 
If it WERE a HEMI, perhaps it wouldn't be dawdling around at 500hp.

Think about it - the 6.1 liter HEMI SRT-8 engine is putting out 425hp/420tq at only 75% of the volumetric capacity (and a 2-cylinder less rotational footprint) of the 8.0 liter 500hp/525tq Viper engine.

Sounds like the HEMI design still reigns as the champ! I'm really Looking forward to the next gen HEMI performance engine.
 
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I was told that all the hemi is that the spark plug sits between the valves.....is this true? A Ford guy told me so i dont know....
 
Uh, no. There is much more to it than that! If it were that simple, even the Ferds would have Hemi's! :rofl: I crack me up!!!!
 
Quite right - far more to it than a centered spark plug, which isn't even accurate. While the spark plug is centrally located, it isn't dead center.

Borrowed descriptions:
"The hemispherical combustion chamber design puts the intake/exhaust valves in-line, rather than side-by-side, allowing for better flow of air through the head (although the inlet and exhaust valves are not simultaneously open and there is no continuous flow). The spark plug in the center of the chamber makes for better ignition of the fuel/air mixture. These aspects help make the hemi-type engine more efficient and powerful, and less prone to engine knock.
The hemispherical cylinder head increases the engine's efficiency through reduced thermal energy loss and increased airflow through the engine. (A hemisphere has the lowest surface area to volume ratio, meaning the most space for combustion while losing the least amount of energy to the engine walls.) Drawbacks such as increased production cost have meant that it has been a rare design. Placing the intake on the opposite side of the engine also reduces the air intake temperature and increases efficiency."

"Take note of the Chrysler's hemispherical combustion chamber, which creates better thermal and volumetric efficiency. The valves are located across from each other, not side-by-side, to allow better air flow of the intake and exhaust gases. Also note where the spark plugs are positioned, where they can provide maximum ignition combustion in the chamber."
mopar_426_hemi.jpg


This design is much more expensive to produce, but the gains in this design are huge. Which is why I say the Viper Engine, if it were a HEMI design, would be much better than 500hp/525tq.

I understand a prototype 6.4l V8 modern HEMI design is already in existence at Chrysler, and it is making equal numbers to the V10 Viper engine.
I hope that engine finds its way to the public somehow!
 
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The modern Hemi's have 2 spark plugs per cyl anyhow (and they aren't entirely true Hemi's but close enough).

# The hemispherical combustion chambers create better thermal and volumetric efficiency. Thus, the engine can create more power without increasing compression, which would entail a higher octane fuel.

# Valves are placed directly across from each other, as opposed to side-by-side, to allow better intake and exhaust gas flow.

# The spark plugs are better positioned to provide maximum ignition combustion in the chambers.

http://www.thehemi.com/intro.php

INTRODUCTION

Chrysler's Hemi is considered by many to be the finest engine ever mass produced. I created and maintain this website to be a useful resource for those interested in the Hemi. I am always trying to add more info, and love hearing from people that may have details to include.

EARLY HEMI R&D

The years following World War II brought upon new designs for performance. Chrysler had to find a way to increase power without increasing compression, which would require higher octane fuel. The key was thought to be in the better designed cylinder head, perhaps hemispherical with conventional valve-in-head. Using hemi heads would increase thermal and volumetric efficiency, as well as provide a low surface-to-volume ratio (thus minimizes loss due to combustion-chamber deposits). Why was this design not used earlier in autos, see as it has been around since at least 1904? Complexity and high costs did not allow easy mass production, and this rugged design loved high octane gas. Chrysler teams researched every engine available, and the hemi head design proved to be the most powerful and efficient model they could find.

See the comparison yourself -- click here.

HEMI HEAD DURABILITY

The 426 Hemi engine was designed and built with a very short deadline, but that did not stop it from being the most well-built engine ever made. The engine had a max vertical separating load of 18,800 lb @ 7200 rpm along the crankshaft center line. Frank Bialk had the job of designing the new main bearing caps, which he took advantage of the deep skirt walls by adding cross bolts through the block into the caps. With this, the engine block skirt helped the main bearing caps in resisting the loads.

Bolting the heads to the block is crucial to get max power. The hemi heads were designed with an extra bolt, the fifth head bolt, to give it the extra strength. The position of that bolt was going to be directly in the way of the pushrods and intak port, which would restrict power. Again, Frank Bialk came up with a design to bring the bolts up from the bottom instead. The new pattern worked extremely well, and the Hemi engine was put into production.

LIMITS OF THE HEMI

While the Hemi is an extraordinary beast, it does have its limitations. The big disadvantage is in the really high RPM range. With the valves opposing each other, cylinder pressure at really high RPMs is lost on the overlap cycle of the cam. At lower RPMs, say 7500 or less, the Hemi is unbeatable. Also, the Chrysler Hemi has the cam pretty low in the block and has a skirted bottom end. This can limit the crank to be used. With the classic 426 block, about 570 inches is the max. Fortunately, newer blocks have the cam moved higher in the block, so 600+ inches is easy.

see attached Hemi, Ford and Chevy heads.
 

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Squealer said:
I was told that all the hemi is that the spark plug sits between the valves.....is this true? A Ford guy told me so i dont know....
Never, I repeat NEVER trust a Ford guy! :D Trolls anyways ;)
 

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