Misogyny and misandry: Whattup widdat?

[FerrariTruck]

very good post Sd, i guess i'll have to get rid of the old sayin i had.

"women, cant live it em' , and they cant pee standin' up"

 

[Wifey]

Post #1 started this.......a thought in my head that gave birth.....

I see alot of stereotypical bashing of the opposite sex.......

I don't mind bashing when something deserves to be bashed....ie; Daniel Ortega, Hugo effin Chavez, Nancy Pelosi..... But bashing someone's gender is quintessentially unfair and is counter productive.....

Just read the initial thread..... This isn't directed at one individual.. It's directed at a behavior.....

SD

Thanks. Now that I have clarification I can only say I couldn't agree more

And if we are gonna sex bash, at least it could be equal

 

[Black1]

If only Freud agreed, we would not have all this Psychobabble mambo-jumbo...

One last question, before I concede... Do schizophrenics and psychopaths have "free will"? (That would require them to WANT TO be the way they are...) :dontknow:

I hate to be simplistic.

But all those things you mention occured in the "now".... Each act represented a choice..... in thought, action etc.....

Furthermore the act resulted from a habit of past "choices"...

Good choice= no culmination.

Bad choice=escalation.

But all the choices resulted from an act of free will....

In the end, whether its at the end of a long chain of bad life choices or good ones. We all reap the harvest of "who we are" as a result of what choices we've made.....

In the end, it is my opinion that everything is about selfishness vs: altruism......

SD

 

[Django]

If only Freud agreed, we would not have all this Psychobabble mambo-jumbo...

One last question, before I concede... Do schizophrenics and psychopaths have "free will"? (That would require them to WANT TO be the way they are...) :dontknow:

It's a good question. One (to which) I wish my peanut brain and spirit man had a clear cut answer.......

To what "degree" those folks have "free will" can only be measured (perhaps) by themselves and their Creator.... Neither one of which may be talking.

I'd venture to say that question would only be partially answered by observing their actions. It's easy to presume that some poor bastards are so physically broken that they appear to have less degree of control.... or perhaps less capability to control their will than others....

But when yer talking about free will, I think you're deep into a discussion that is so quintessentially cosmic, that it may be simply said that "all bets are off"....

The concept of free will has been disagreed upon by theologians since the concept first popped into man's head......

Essentially, you are asking whether or not schitzos and pshycos are too fkd up to be cosmically responsible for their actions..... In a fair and perfectly just cosmos, I'd say it depends on to what degree the are broken......

There are theologians who believe that there is no free will... That everything in the Universe is predestined by God and there's no deviation from it....

I personally consider that to be absurd....... But I'm a moron...so there yar.

Only God can know this shit..........

As Lynette would say, "You'll just have to ask Him when ya see Him...."

SD

 

[KRAZYSRT10]

I don't have the eloquent vocabulary y'all do...but I have to admit that I am a culprit of this kind of behavior. However, I believe that my quick witted and sometimes boorish language and behavior about my wife is a defensive measure.

I learned long ago (about the time I checked into my first squadron) to conceal the things you love or those things may become targets of heckling and poor jokes. I am by no means an angel, but if you saw how I act towards my wife vs. how I talk about her, you would be shocked!! My friends always are...they expect us to fight like cats and dogs, but we actually get along quite well. We only knew each other for 2 months before we got married and we are about to hit 8 years this coming May.

This is not saying its okay to put your wife down (or chop her up...Scott), but I'm just speaking about why I do what I do. Some of you may have heard or read me doing this...well.....get used to it, because I would rather people feel sorry for her being married to me rather than talk about her in a way that could make me chop them up and stick them in my freezer!!!:dontknow:

 

[Django]

I believe that my quick witted and sometimes boorish language and behavior about my wife is a defensive measure.

I learned long ago (about the time I checked into my first squadron) to conceal the things you love or those things may become targets of heckling and poor jokes.

This is not saying its okay to put your wife down. Some of you may have heard or read me doing this...well.....get used to it....

Bro, I mean no disrespect......please understand that.....I respect your service to our country and to the cause of freedom......

You have directly stated that you speak abusively about the woman you love as a mask to prevent yourself from being heckled by your peers.....

I'd say that's a helluva bad reason.....

If you feel it's neccesary (in your world) to refrain from talking all "lovey dovey" and sensitive around a bunch of bad-ass military types... OK, I can see that..... Military people are not famous for their sensitivity.

But I'm sorry to say that to talk shit about yer wife just to look tough in front of yer military peers is lying to them, lying to yourself and lying to your wife.....

I think you'd be deeply hurt if you were 10,000 miles away (dug in) and had to read some letter from home that said yer wife was talkin' some meanassed shit about you to all her friends.....How would you feel....?... Pretty fkn bad I think......

That's all I gotta say.....Sorry bro..... I didn't mean to tear ya a new asshole.... But yer reasoning here is all fkd up...

SD

 

[v8eater]

I, for one, am a generally rude and insulting bastard. My wife is aware of that, and we both make a game out of it. More often than not, she'll call me at work to make sure I survived the trip (she knows how I drive) and if there are people around, I'll stick her on speakerphone and we'll put on a show. Between my jabs and spin and her 'love you long time' Vietnamese accent we're a hit; way better than anything that Stern guy could put on the radio.

I get comments like "my wife would never put up with that" or "how long have you guys been married". I think our ability to take ourselves lightly is one of the things that has made our 8 year marriage work. Respect exists to protect the insecure.

She takes jabs at my rusty Bug and my Anime addiction. Often calling me a pedo (who taught her that word?) and "thirty percent" (a joke about a statistic she found about men who 'compensate'). I shoot at her about how crappy her cooking is and her funny english word of the week.

I tell you what, we're a sight to see at the mall on weekends. Woe to anyone else who gets involved.:dancing: :fight: :aetsch: :aetsch: :stupid: :stupid:

 

[OCBob]

Women... you can't live with them and you can't shoot them hehehe.

My OL and me are the happiest couple I know. We have never had a shouting match, in fact we never raise our voices to each other. Now, that doesn't mean the we don't get pissed at each other. But it is always over quickly and we are back into the "Love" thing. I treat her as an equal, and don't change the way I treat her just because of who we are hanging with. We have been to clubhouses many times together, and I would never imagine treating her any differently in that atmosphere, in fact I wouldn't stand for anyone treating her any differently than I do. This doesn't mean that we don't f**k with each other, we do it often and we do it well hehehe.

 

[ntw0rk]

Since Kris is in the field for the next few days, dreaming of being any where near a computer, I would like to take the liberty to dry to explain what I think he meant.

I think I understand what he was trying to say, and even though I don't (necessarily) completely agree with his reasoning, it is a bit different than the way Tim is viewing it. (BTW Kris, you used some pretty big words up there, are you ok?)

I think what he was trying to say is that he speaks this way about his wife to protect HER, not himself. To a degree, he is still more or less protecting himself, but up front he is trying to build a barrier around his wife so that she does not become the brunt of any talk by the "guys" around him. If he portrays himself as the dominant partner, and throws a little "bad light" on her, the guys are less likely to look at her as a desired target, either favorable, or not.

When I was flying, we had a rule: "Wives and 'Serious' girlfriends are off-limits" Meaning that no jokes or snide comments were to be made about either. And believe it or don't, the rule worked!! No one ever spoke poorly, or made jokes about anyone else's spouse, or significant other. I think this is basically what Chris is trying to do. Although his methods are a tad bit twisted.

Instead of speaking out the way you do, try getting thuggish with anyone who violates your love for your wife! It takes a lot less effort, and may actually strengthen your relationship at home!

Just my $.02....

 

[Django]

I think our ability to take ourselves lightly is one of the things that has made our 8 year marriage work. Respect exists to protect the insecure.

I've narrowed this down to your most salient points for the sake of clarity.

I obviously have no problem with humor or joking... even between spouses. We have a very light hearted atmosphere at my house..... If you think my place is a bastion for political correctness and walking on egg shells.... Think again. Both Lynette and I are free to let it fly anytime we want.

Personally, I don't care if someone respects me or not. Respect is something you inspire, not something you require. Anyone who enagages life in a constant demand for respect obviously has an inflated opinion of themsleves....They are self absorbed..... narcissists......

But your statement that "respect exists to protect the insecure" is pure bullshit. It's a lamest excuse I've ever heard for being disrespectful.

Respect is like a simple gift..... It is better to give than to receive.

SD

 

[ntw0rk]

I've always been of the opinion that Respect is earned. And you have to give it, to get it!!

Not that I disagree with you, Tim.

 

[Django]

I've always been of the opinion that Respect is earned. And you have to give it, to get it!!

Not that I disagree with you, Tim.

Sure we agree.... I said the same thing in my last post,

"Respect is something you inspire, not something you require......"

SD

 

[v8eater]

I hope I didn't rub you the wrong way. The thing is, to me "Respect is something you inspire, not something you require." and "Respect exists to protect the insecure." are equal statments. But I'm rather shallow and indifferent, so what do I know.:dontknow:

Honestly: I'd just sooner be seen as a joke than be respected. Things are easier that way. I'm pretty antisocial so I have to play a character at work. It's the only way I can survive in the crowd. Sometimes people treat me like an idiot, but I find it to be an absolute laugh... Especially when I can't dissagree with them. I still get the job done. I don't need the ego boost and I can't appreciate anyone who does.

 

[Django]

I hope I didn't rub you the wrong way. The thing is, to me "Respect is something you inspire, not something you require." and "Respect exists to protect the insecure." are equal statments. But I'm rather shallow and indifferent, so what do I know.:dontknow:

Honestly: I'd just sooner be seen as a joke than be respected. Things are easier that way. I'm pretty antisocial so I have to play a character at work. It's the only way I can survive in the crowd. Sometimes people treat me like an idiot, but I find it to be an absolute laugh... Especially when I can't dissagree with them. I still get the job done. I don't need the ego boost and I can't appreciate anyone who does.

We're fine bro,

I'm not tee'd off or upset with you at all.........

If your perception is that both statements mean the same thing I'm totally cool with that....

Sometimes it's difficult to agree when the written words are all one has to go on.....

My point was simply that I read a consistent bit of female bashing on this forum and I think it's mindless, macho bullshit...... That's all...

It's unfair to bash all women just like it's unfair to bash all men.....

Take Care, and all the best to you and yer lady......

SD

 

[OCBob]

A Brazilian woman who was shot six times in the head after an altercation with her ex-husband was out of the hospital and talking to the media on Saturday.

"I know this was a miracle," 21-year-old housewife Patricia Goncalves Pereira told Globo TV. "Now I just want to extract the bullets and live my life."

Pereira was shot Friday in the small city of Monte Claros, about 900 kilometers (560 miles) north of Sao Paulo, after quarreling with her former husband, who was reportedly upset because she refused to get back together with him. She was also shot once in the hand.

Doctors could not explain why the .32-caliber bullets did not penetrate Pereira's skull and didn't even need to be extracted immediately.

"I can't explain how something like this happened," surgeon Adriano Teixeira said, adding that the bullets were lodged under the woman's scalp.

The ex-husband was still at large.

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There is a lesson here:






Use a bigger caliber hehehehehe.

Sorry Tim, I just couldn't resist LOL

 

[Django]

A Brazilian woman who was shot six times in the head after an altercation with her ex-husband was out of the hospital and talking to the media on Saturday.

There is a lesson here:

Use a bigger caliber hehehehehe.

Sorry Tim, I just couldn't resist LOL

:dontknow: ..................... .........................:dontknow:

At least you got the punctuation right...............

SD

 

[HOT RAM]

The phrase "LOVE/HATE" was created for a reason... They go hand in hand, unfortunately. Some people (women and men) NEED to have drama in their lives to make them feel like they are alive... Or, to break-up the monotony of said life. Ask almost any woman and they will tell you that a good "fight" every now-and-then makes them feel better than not fighting at all! :dontknow: I don't get it either.... Some men that I know are the same way, they just won't admit it. There excuse is that the "make-up" sex is better than normal.

I don't get women... Never have and never will. But I do know this: There are some women on the earth that I do despise. I will admit that it is because they got the better of me and I didn't "see it coming".

"A woman's breast is the hardest rock that the Almighty ever created and I can read nary a sign on it" Bearclaw Chris Lapp from the movie Jeremiah Johnson.



You make a very good argument SD.I like reading your posts.They are very thought provoking.

 

[Django]

"A woman's breast is the hardest rock that the Almighty ever created and I can read nary a sign on it" Bearclaw Chris Lapp from the movie Jeremiah Johnson.

You make a very good argument SD.I like reading your posts.They are very thought provoking.

I remember him...... He went out in a real blaze'a glory if I recall...... Played by Will Geer...(?).......a great and memorable character.

Thanks for the kudos and great input bro..........

SD