My Alpine Sub Blew!!

azpyroguy

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On my trip back from Laughlin, my Alpine Subwoofer blew!!! Guess the new Rockford T300.1 amp thats putting out 428watts RMS was too much for it...

It was 4 years old... so it was time... but still... :(
 
I guess better the Sub than the bottom end of your Engine?:idea:


Could be worse. Fix it!:D
 
Hamrhead said:
I guess better the Sub than the bottom end of your Engine?:idea:


Could be worse. Fix it!:D

Thats very true!!! =)

I got all kinds of looks and comments on the 10 from the folks in Laughlin, and around the Colorado river area...
 
azpyroguy said:
On my trip back from Laughlin, my Alpine Subwoofer blew!!! Guess the new Rockford T300.1 amp thats putting out 428watts RMS was too much for it...

It was 4 years old... so it was time... but still... :(

Just wondering but i was always under the impression that over-powering your subs was not a bad thing, that the extra power would not be used since the subwoofer can only draw so many watts on each stroke, and that under-powering would cause the sub to "clip" or bottom out. :dontknow:

I know i have two Focal 27KX 10' subs @ 300W RMS in a sealed box which are powered by a 800W RMS amplifier. My installer told me it's a good setup, with just the right amount of power to each sub.
 
Deibs said:
Just wondering but i was always under the impression that over-powering your subs was not a bad thing, that the extra power would not be used since the subwoofer can only draw so many watts on each stroke, and that under-powering would cause the sub to "clip" or bottom out. :dontknow:

I know i have two Focal 27KX 10' subs @ 300W RMS in a sealed box which are powered by a 800W RMS amplifier. My installer told me it's a good setup, with just the right amount of power to each sub.

Thats true in a dual or more subwoofer setup, each will only draw what it needs...to a certain extent.

Also having them in a sealed or bandpass enclosure nets you about another 25% gain in power handling.

Now in my case, my amp was actually supposed to be only 300W RMS, but when it was born, Rockford tested it, and it actually made 428W RMS.... and my Alpine sub was supposed be 100-300W RMS, with 500 Peak (short durations)...

It sounded great for few days, then today on the way back... it started sound really muffled, and muddy sounding... so I think I might have smoked one of the voice coils in it... and the sub was really flopping around like wet noodle.... and the cone and magnet was rather hot.

When I removed it from the box, I smelled the magnet area and the voice coils area... and it smelled slightly burnt.... not horrible... just hot smelling...

So I do think its gone... or on the way to be gone shortly....

I am looking at:

Orion 10D4
Image Dynamics IDQ 10
Rockford Punch 3 Shallow.
Kicker VR Comp 10

I am limited in choices as I only have about 6" of mounting depth to work with...
 
Yeah that 6" inches is terrible.. hehehe.

I had Orion subs before and that's actually the amp i'm using now, HCCA 250G4. They are just brute power, nothing but SPL!!!!!!! The Focal's i have are a very nice sub and need little room to run but they are such a SQL sub.

I was looking at doing 2 of those Kicker comp 10's they absolutly pound if you got enough power! They'd be my choice.
 
Deibs said:
Yeah that 6" inches is terrible.. hehehe.

I had Orion subs before and that's actually the amp i'm using now, HCCA 250G4. They are just brute power, nothing but SPL!!!!!!! The Focal's i have are a very nice sub and need little room to run but they are such a SQL sub.

I was looking at doing 2 of those Kicker comp 10's they absolutly pound if you got enough power! They'd be my choice.

I will probably end up with the Kickers..the will fit.. but they would like to have 1.3 cu ft of box.. and I only have about .65 to work with... The Rockford will work in .50 to .75 quite well...
 
Deibs said:
Can you run those sealed? I'm guessing at 1.3 they'd like em ported?

I was off on my enclosure sizes...

sealed box volume: 0.8-3.0 cu. ft. ported box volume: 1.25-1.75 cu. ft.

So I think the Kickers might be just right... I will be a tad bit small on box size... it wont hurt it too much....
 
Heh, just make sure to seal that box up nice and tight.. :)

All i heard those kickers on was the sound board at the stereo shop and they still sounded good, so a definate :top:
 
Deibs said:
Heh, just make sure to seal that box up nice and tight.. :)

All i heard those kickers on was the sound board at the stereo shop and they still sounded good, so a definate :top:

If they sounded good on a soundboard... which suck.. they are cheap not very good boxes, not sealed well, etc.. they should sound good in this box which is extreemly well sealed.
 
azpyroguy said:
Thats true in a dual or more subwoofer setup, each will only draw what it needs...to a certain extent.

Also having them in a sealed or bandpass enclosure nets you about another 25% gain in power handling.

Now in my case, my amp was actually supposed to be only 300W RMS, but when it was born, Rockford tested it, and it actually made 428W RMS.... and my Alpine sub was supposed be 100-300W RMS, with 500 Peak (short durations)...

It sounded great for few days, then today on the way back... it started sound really muffled, and muddy sounding... so I think I might have smoked one of the voice coils in it... and the sub was really flopping around like wet noodle.... and the cone and magnet was rather hot.


I am limited in choices as I only have about 6" of mounting depth to work with...
Power can always be a problem but its more so the airspace for the box that can cause woofer failer, a great box is the key to great sounding subs. Believe it or not, 90% of the time when a speaker is "blown" its because it was under powered not over powered, granted if you run 2500watts off true power to a sub rated 300watts you'll prob have an issue. The less power that is run to the coil the harder it has to work to produce output therefore the hotter it gets, leading to the wonderful burnt coil smell, kinda like running a motor with little to no oil. Was that a single or a dual voice coil woofer? 2ohm or 4ohm? I'm wondering if the listed power was dynamic for 2ohm and you were running a 4ohm load(half the listed power) and it was a problem?
The suspension in a subwoofer needs the proper airspace to load and function correctly or you will over drive the sub causing it to fail. As box types and power handling is concerned they have nothing to do with each other at all, if any thing its requirment of more power. See a ported box will play "louder" at the tuned frequency, ie 35HZ so it will be 3-6db louder than a sealed box with the same amount of power, however it will be boomer sounding depending upon the tune and the woofer. A sealed box will typicaly be a tighter sound but again it will require twice the power to be the same volume out put. To gain a 3db increase in volume you must double power.
As far as your 6" mounting depth goes, there are a bunch of woofers on the market that will fit, you must also pay attention to the airspace requirements and box specs for the woofers. I have 2 10" Infinity Kappa Perfect VQ woofers in a ported box in my RC, fits perfect. The VQ are nice because you can alter the Q of the woofer which allows you to finely tune the woofer for the box your using.
Bottom line is what type of sound are you looking to acheive? Hammer you in the chest bass or a nice smooth bottom end? That will depict the box type to use in your install and woofers.
 
Being a dealer of car audio, I was very careful to select power and components for my system..... but it still bit me...

My alpine sub was designed for a .50-1.0 sealed box, it was a older sub the model SWR-1041D (designed for 300W RMS), and I put it in a .65 ft3 sealed box, and ran it with 428W RMS..

Now most likely the cause of its demise (or pending demise) is the fact that its nearly 4 years old... and has been through alot... getting anything from a Alpine MRD-300 Amp, Stock SRT Sub amp, and now the Rockford 300.1 Amp.

I am going to look at those Infinitty Kappa Qs

InfinitySRT said:
Power can always be a problem but its more so the airspace for the box that can cause woofer failer, a great box is the key to great sounding subs. Believe it or not, 90% of the time when a speaker is "blown" its because it was under powered not over powered, granted if you run 2500watts off true power to a sub rated 300watts you'll prob have an issue. The less power that is run to the coil the harder it has to work to produce output therefore the hotter it gets, leading to the wonderful burnt coil smell, kinda like running a motor with little to no oil. Was that a single or a dual voice coil woofer? 2ohm or 4ohm? I'm wondering if the listed power was dynamic for 2ohm and you were running a 4ohm load(half the listed power) and it was a problem?
The suspension in a subwoofer needs the proper airspace to load and function correctly or you will over drive the sub causing it to fail. As box types and power handling is concerned they have nothing to do with each other at all, if any thing its requirment of more power. See a ported box will play "louder" at the tuned frequency, ie 35HZ so it will be 3-6db louder than a sealed box with the same amount of power, however it will be boomer sounding depending upon the tune and the woofer. A sealed box will typicaly be a tighter sound but again it will require twice the power to be the same volume out put. To gain a 3db increase in volume you must double power.
As far as your 6" mounting depth goes, there are a bunch of woofers on the market that will fit, you must also pay attention to the airspace requirements and box specs for the woofers. I have 2 10" Infinity Kappa Perfect VQ woofers in a ported box in my RC, fits perfect. The VQ are nice because you can alter the Q of the woofer which allows you to finely tune the woofer for the box your using.
Bottom line is what type of sound are you looking to acheive? Hammer you in the chest bass or a nice smooth bottom end? That will depict the box type to use in your install and woofers.
 
clipping and bottoming out

Deibs said:
Just wondering but i was always under the impression that over-powering your subs was not a bad thing, that the extra power would not be used since the subwoofer can only draw so many watts on each stroke, and that under-powering would cause the sub to "clip" or bottom out. :dontknow:

I know i have two Focal 27KX 10' subs @ 300W RMS in a sealed box which are powered by a 800W RMS amplifier. My installer told me it's a good setup, with just the right amount of power to each sub.

When your speaker is clipping it is indeed bottoming out. The coil in the magnet is smacking around the speaker. In guitar amps this is cool you get the overdriven growl like a Marshall is known for and the cool feedback but in a stereo its bad. Yup time to upgrade. I try to always get a speaker that max load is a tad higher than the amps max output at same ohms. I dont overdrive my car stereo though (now that Im older) but i do crank my Marshall till the cops come.

GL with the replacement keep us posted on your install. I wonder if anyone else could recommend a replacement head? I got the 6 cd, nav, sirius one and you know what it needs? Yup, it needs to play dvd's. The screen would be cool as it's pretty good size although the resolution would stink. Any ideas on replacements?
 
I replaced the sub with a Boston Acoustics G2 110 Subwoofer. I choose Boston because my mids and highs were all Boston.
 

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