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I had a member send me a PM questioning if gas goes bad. Not really my area of expertise, but I passed along what I knew, and suggested that he contact Prof. Well I just happened to run across this article and thought I would post it for him and also share with everyone else.

And before anyone asks, this has nothing to do with Mikey's love of Mexican food, and his resulting emmissions.;) :p :D


Does gasoline really go "bad" if you leave it unused for a period of time? Some people are convinced this is just another urban legend, and that people who worry about "old gas" and spend money on fuel stabilizer are wasting psychic energy as well as cash.

But in fact, gasoline can degrade over time. That can lead to a number of problems, ranging from hard starting, to rough running, to no starting at all.

Here's Why
Unlike crude oil, gasoline is a highly refined product brewed to a certain chemical composition with very specific characteristics. One characteristic of gas is volatility, a term used to describe how easily and under what conditions the gas vaporizes so it can be efficiently burned in your car's engine.

The most highly volatile components in gasoline also tend to evaporate over time. As they do, the remaining fuel's volatility and ability to combust properly degrades. The less volatile the fuel, the less effectively it burns in your engine. The result is diminished engine performance. Your engine may still start and run, but it probably won't run as well.

The good news is, once the old gas has been consumed and the tank is topped off with fresh fuel, the problem should cure itself. Evaporation of volatile compounds can be limited by making sure the gas cap is secured tightly. For the same reason, be sure all portable fuel containers are sealed tightly as well.

A More Serious Problem: Oxidation
Hydrocarbons in the gas react with oxygen to produce new compounds that eventually change the chemical composition of the fuel. This leads to gum and varnish deposits in the fuel system.
These deposits and impurities can clog up fuel lines and filters, as well the small orifices in a carburetor and the even smaller orifices in a fuel injector. Removing these deposits can be expensive and your vehicle may not run at all or run very poorly until they are removed.

Water Contamination
Condensation can form inside your gas tank and lines from heat cycling. Fuels such as E85, which have a high concentration of ethanol alcohol, may be even more susceptible to water contamination, as ethanol likes to draw moisture out of the surrounding air.

Water contamination can be a problem at gas stations with light traffic due to a slightly different kind of heat cycling. The underground storage tanks experience increases and decreases in temperature. This can cause moisture to form and contaminate the fuel. When you fill up at such a station, you're pumping in the water along with the gas. Such low-traffic stations may also have other contaminants in their underground storage tanks, such as rust. They are best avoided when possible.

Water, of course, does not work too well as a fuel in an internal combustion engine. It will cause hard starting and rough running until it's purged from the system. It can also contribute to internal rusting of the fuel lines and tank. The resultant scale and small particles can create a true nightmare, sometimes requiring the replacement of the fuel lines and tank at considerable expense.
" Oxidized fuel often turns darker over time and may even smell sour. "
You can reduce the chances of water contamination by keeping your car's gas tank as close to full as possible, especially if the vehicle is going to be left idle for an extended period.

How Do You Identify Bad Gas?
One way is to eyeball it. Oxidized fuel often turns darker over time and may even smell sour. You can check stored fuel by pouring some into a clear glass container and comparing it side-by-side with known fresh fuel. If your old sample looks noticeably darker than the fresh fuel, you have strong evidence the fuel's gone bad.

How Long Does it Take for Gas to Go Bad?
That depends on a number of factors. For one, it's hard to know how old the gas you just bought actually is. It may be fresh from the refinery, or it may be a month old already by the time you top off your tank. Some fuels also are mixed with better or more oxidation inhibitors than others.

It's a good rule of thumb to avoid leaving gas in your tank or a storage container for more than a coupe of months, if you can avoid it.
And if You Can't?
If you know gas will sit in your tank or a storage container for a couple months, then it's a wise move to buy some fuel system stabilizer and mix it in with the gas. Do it before you put the vehicle into long-term storage or before leaving your lawn equipment fuel containers sitting for the winter. The stabilizer helps prevent oxidation, the biggie that can turn gas into garbage that gunks up your system and leads to expensive repair work.

Using fuel system stabilizer for extended storage is preferable to draining the tank and leaving the system dry. This can cause rubber hoses, gaskets and seals to dry-rot and crack, possibly leading to leaks and even a fire. In addition, a dry system can expose the insides of metal fuel lines and your gas tank to air and moisture, which can lead to or accelerate the formation of rust.
Fuel system stabilizer is not a cure-all and it doesn't last forever. It must be mixed with fresh gas before the vehicle is stored, not added to already old gas. It can slow down the oxidation process and keep gas fresh for as long as 12 to15 months. If you're going to leave the vehicle parked for longer than that, you may want to drain the tank and refill with fresh fuel before returning the vehicle to service.
 
I've never had a problem with old gas. some of my cars are driven once or twice every few years. I thought gas only degrades if it's exposed to light. at any rate, I do know for a fact that 91 is perfectly ok when left for 2 or 3 years in the gastank of a car. race gas is a different story though.
 
AWDisuzu said:
...I thought gas only degrades if it's exposed to light. at any rate, I do know for a fact that 91 is perfectly ok when left for 2 or 3 years in the gastank of a car. race gas is a different story though.


I have gone to the mountain and the mountain (Christine, my scientist spouse) says that in most situations air is the major degrader of fuel. She suspects that light is probably also a factor but evaporation of certain components of blended fuels changes the chemical properties. Any fuel left for two or three years is not "perfectly ok"...it may work but it is not the same fuel you put into the tank chemically.

Common thought says that several things optimize the fuel properties...

1. Buy gas that is as recently refined as possible (since we all use high octane, avoid stations that may not sell very much premium fuel).

2. Minimize exposure to air. Keep tank full as much as possible (limits exposure to air and development of condensation).

3. Drive it like you stole it, so that fuel you buy gets used as soon as possible to get the maximum amount of fresh fuel through the engine, and avoid letting the vehicle sit without WOT bursts of speed.

The first two comments were from Christine...I added the third...as if you couldn't tell.
 
luckilly gas can't evaporate from a gas tank! (or at least not very much of it can)

I put a few gallons of gas into a 5 gallon pail to clean parts in one time, forgot about it, left it uncovered for a few weeks....5 gallons of gas vaporized into thin air! lol
 
sleeper said:
Old gas smells different also.


I routinely convince my wife of this and It really smells different if you roll the covered wagon. Sorry couldn’t resist, taking a break from my tile project. Unfortunately at 10.2 mpg my gas never sees a shelf life.
 
i ride motorcross and as a rule of all motorcross riders that after you ride if your bike is going to sit longer then 3 weeks without use drain the gas, even drain the carb. not sure if this is true or not but alot of mx magazines publish that fuel in a black gas tank will go bad faster. now also understand a motorcross bike does not have a closed fuel system as in our trucks.
 
I have a Honda Lawn mower that will not even start in the spring if the same gas from the previous fall is still in it.
The first year I had it I thought "well warranty time, something is wrong."
Found out warranty wouldn't cover bad gas, and that's all that was wrong.
Now with fuel stabilizer in it I have no problem.

So Yes I believe it makes a difference
 
Alberta-SRT said:
I have a Honda Lawn mower that will not even start in the spring if the same gas from the previous fall is still in it.
The first year I had it I thought "well warranty time, something is wrong."
Found out warranty wouldn't cover bad gas, and that's all that was wrong.
Now with fuel stabilizer in it I have no problem.

So Yes I believe it makes a difference


what mods have you done the the lawn mower i bet you get your grass cut fast if you supercharge that beast. :D
 
dragon said:
what mods have you done the the lawn mower i bet you get your grass cut fast if you supercharge that beast. :D

Showed the wife how to operate it.
Now I don't care how long it takes, it's her problem:rock: ;)
 
Alberta-SRT said:
Showed the wife how to operate it.
Now I don't care how long it takes, it's her problem:rock: ;)
good for you bro.:rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Alberta-SRT said:
Showed the wife how to operate it.
Now I don't care how long it takes, it's her problem:rock: ;)


the wife mod i have never thought of that. good one. :D
 
Since the truck's been sitting idle for a year and a half, I'll certainly be draining off the tank & replacing with fresh before lighting it off.
 
I have seenn many true things about the shelf life of gasoline in this thread. I owned and ran a carburetor and fuel injection, diagnostic and repair shop most of my working life.

My experiance is that gasoline will not be good enough to use after 9-12 months, even with fuel stabelizer.
Fuel stabelizer is necessary for any vehicle stored more than 2 months.

If storing a vehicle keep the tank full to the top, and use stabilizer.

If the fuel is more than a few months old siphon it out of your hotrod and put it in your beater, parts runner truck.

Fuel quality continues to degrade in what we are able to buy, every year. Leaving old fuel in and trying to run it in your truck, can and will cause serious problems.

As was mentioned the oxiginates (MTBE, Ethanol) used in most areas attract moisture and will cause corrosion. This is very bad for pumps, lines, regulators, injectors ect.
 
So the Pm member was me.....:p :dontknow: ....

the question specifically related to C-16 although I did not mention that to Silver...

the situation is this...I run a seperate fuel cell (5 gallons) that feeds the NO2 system (wet shot)....given the size of the shot...I need the 116 octane to keep me from leaning out....

the higher the octane the easier it is to degrade....so my 116 becomes 115...114...113....etc...etc...after a couple months it is still viable gasoline but 112 may not be enough to keep me safe....sooo....Based on talking to several people...I now will pump out the cell and add fresh c-16 before the track...

Thanks all..
 
Nowwhat said:
So the Pm member was me.....:p :dontknow: ....

the question specifically related to C-16 although I did not mention that to Silver...

the situation is this...I run a seperate fuel cell (5 gallons) that feeds the NO2 system (wet shot)....given the size of the shot...I need the 116 octane to keep me from leaning out....

the higher the octane the easier it is to degrade....so my 116 becomes 115...114...113....etc...etc...after a couple months it is still viable gasoline but 112 may not be enough to keep me safe....sooo....Based on talking to several people...I now will pump out the cell and add fresh c-16 before the track...

Thanks all..

The way I figure it Mike, is that if the person that PM's me wants to say anything that is their business, not mine. I always try to repect others privacy.
 
Silverback said:
The way I figure it Mike, is that if the person that PM's me wants to say anything that is their business, not mine. I always try to repect others privacy.

appreciate it....:rock:
 

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