Paxton intercooler question...

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Ok, all you smart people with Paxton S/Cs...I'll show my ignorance here.

All the intercoolers I see for these things are fairly small and mount at the top/front side of the radiator...my question is, why wouldn't a stock or larger after market diesel intercooler that is much larger and designed to mount in our trucks, work better?
 
boomer has on that i use on my truck works like a charm its pretty big goes accross the whole front of the truck,
 
the number and diameter of tubes can be different :dontknow:
Great inside air velocity gives great cooling capacity but also pressure drop to the square of velocity.So velocity x 2 gives pressure drop x 4.

A diesel for instance of 6 liters at 4000 rpm's needs 1/2 our air flow at 6000 rpm's and 8.3 liters....

Also if they go higher in pressure , the density is higher so that factor of 1/2 can be even less....

just a tought ....:D
 
belgiumbarry said:
the number and diameter of tubes can be different :dontknow:
Great inside air velocity gives great cooling capacity but also pressure drop to the square of velocity.So velocity x 2 gives pressure drop x 4.

A diesel for instance of 6 liters at 4000 rpm's needs 1/2 our air flow at 6000 rpm's and 8.3 liters....

Also if they go higher in pressure , the density is higher so that factor of 1/2 can be even less....

just a tought ....:D

I know you gave me the technical answer to my question, but to be honest, I don't understand a damn word you ssaid...LMAO!!! Boil it all down for a poor redneck hillbilly, are you saying that would not be good?
 
Texas Yellow Fever said:
I know you gave me the technical answer to my question, but to be honest, I don't understand a damn word you ssaid...LMAO!!! Boil it all down for a poor redneck hillbilly, are you saying that would not be good?

if i'm right , it should be good but you have to install 2 diesel coolers so each one takes half of our air flow....

:confused: :D
 
The diesel intercooler is an air to air intercooler and the Paxton is water to air. That's why we can't use them. Me tinks.
 
belgiumbarry said:
the number and diameter of tubes can be different :dontknow:
Great inside air velocity gives great cooling capacity but also pressure drop to the square of velocity.So velocity x 2 gives pressure drop x 4.

A diesel for instance of 6 liters at 4000 rpm's needs 1/2 our air flow at 6000 rpm's and 8.3 liters....

Also if they go higher in pressure , the density is higher so that factor of 1/2 can be even less....

just a tought ....:D
Some good analysis, but I always thought higher velocity doesn't neccesarily mean greater cooling. I would think there is an optimum velocity to allow for the correct rate of heat transfer. In other words if the air is moving too fast there isn't enough time for the air too cool down. AC is always a little cooler
when running on slower speeds:dontknow: ?
 
nycstev said:
Some good analysis, but I always thought higher velocity doesn't neccesarily mean greater cooling. I would think there is an optimum velocity to allow for the correct rate of heat transfer. In other words if the air is moving too fast there isn't enough time for the air too cool down. AC is always a little cooler
when running on slower speeds:dontknow: ?

There are indeed optimums as well for the cooling air ( outside ) as for the SC air ( inside). For a air-air cooler of course.... The factor that gives the amount of heat that will be transferred to the tubewall ( we call them alfa-values ) raise with airspeed almost linear to a certain value were they become almost constant. So indeed , no need to go higher as you will only get more and more pressure drop and almost no more heat transfer.
Be carefull in thinking that "time" is here relevant. It is not :

the cooling capacity = the surface off the exchanger x K-value x delta T.
K-value : sum of the 2 alfa-values and the tubewallthickness/heat transfer of the material.
Delta T : average difference in temperature between SC air and ambient air.

So you see, there's no "time" involved.

Now air has a very bad alfa-value ( water has a much better one ) , that's why radiators have fins outside. The water can give great heat transfer to the tubes but they cannot give it to the air.So for compensating the low alfa value that side there are fins to increase the surface . ( again those fins have optimum height and distance )
When now on a air-air cooler the air velocitys would be the same , there would be no fins needed . But because the inside velocity is much larger , so is the inside alfa value , there wil be fins needed outside .
( we even use sometimes tubes with fins inside were the problem is otherwise.. )

can everybody follow .. ? :D
 
belgiumbarry said:
no my dear, sum of Alpha values give us the total heat transfer rate.... :p ;)
I meant " K values is sum of two alpha values" . You mentioned different materials having different alpha values. So what are the 2 alpha values being refered to?:eek: :p :) :( ;) :confused: :burnout: :idea:
 
nycstev said:
I meant " K values is sum of two alpha values" . You mentioned different materials having different alpha values. So what are the 2 alpha values being refered to?:eek: :p :) :( ;) :confused: :burnout: :idea:

Those are the 2 :

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:p :D ;)
 

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