Picking the next president is almost a no-brainer.

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Some food for thought, my fellow Americans.;)

Theo Caldwell, National Post (Canada) Wednesday, December 26, 2007

An obvious choice can be unnerving. When the apparent perfection of one option or the unspeakable awfulness of another makes a decision seem too easy, it is human nature to become suspicious.

This instinct intensifies as the stakes of the given choice are raised. American voters know no greater responsibility to their country and to the world than to select their president wisely. While we do not yet know who the Democrat and Republican nominees will be, any combination of the leading candidates from either party will make for the most obvious choice put to American voters in a generation. To wit, none of the Democrats has any business being president.

This pronouncement has less to do with any apparent perfection among the Republican candidates than with the intellectual and experiential paucity evinced by the Democratic field. "Not ready for prime time," goes the vernacular, but this does not suffice to describe how bad things are. Alongside Hillary Clinton, add Barack Obama's kindergarten essays to an already confused conversation about Dennis Kucinich's UFO sightings, dueling celebrity endorsements and who can be quickest to retreat from America's global conflict and raise taxes on the American people, and it becomes clear that these are profoundly unserious individuals.

To be sure, there has been a fair amount of rubbish and rhubarb on the Republican side (Ron Paul, call your office), but even a cursory review of the legislative and professional records of the leading contenders from each party reveals a disparity akin to adults competing with children.

For the Republicans, Rudy Giuliani served as a two-term mayor of New York City, turning a budgetdeficit into a surplus and taming what was thought to be an ungovernable metropolis. Prior to that, he held the third-highest rank in the Reagan Justice Department, obtaining over 4,000 convictions. Mitt Romney, before serving as governor of Massachusetts, founded a venture capital firm that created billions of dollars in shareholder value, and he then went on to save the Salt Lake City Olympics.

While much is made of Mike Huckabee's history as a Baptist minister, he was also a governor for more than a decade and, while Arkansas is hardly a "cradle of presidents," it has launched at least one previous chief executive to national office. John McCain's legislative and military career spans five decades, with half that time having been spent in the Congress. Even Fred Thompson, whose excess of nonchalance has transformed his once-promising campaign into nothing more than a theoretical possibility, has more experience in the U.S. Senate than any of the leading Democratic candidates.

With just over one term as a Senator to her credit, Hillary Clinton boasts the most extensive record of the potential Democratic nominees. In that time, Senator Clinton cannot claim a single legislative accomplishment of note, and she is best known lately for requesting $1-million from Congress for a museum to commemorate Woodstock.

Barack Obama is nearing the halfway point of his first term in the Senate, having previously served as an Illinois state legislator and, as Clinton has correctly pointed out, has done nothing but run for president since he first arrived in Washington. Between calling for the invasion of Pakistan and fumbling a simple question on driver's licenses for illegal aliens, Obama has shown that he is not the fellow to whom the nation ought to hike the nuclear football.

John Edwards, meanwhile, embodies the adage that the American people will elect anyone to Congress -- once. From his $1,200 haircuts to his personal war on poverty, proclaimed from the porch of his
28,000-square-foot home, purchased with the proceeds of preposterous lawsuits exploiting infant cerebral palsy, Edwards is living proof that history can play out as tragedy and farce simultaneously.

Forget for a moment all that you believe about public policy. Discard your notions about taxes and Iraq, free trade and crime, and consider solely the experience of these two sets of candidates. Is there any serious issue that you would prefer to entrust to a person with the Democrats' experience, rather than that of any of the Republicans?

Now consider the state of debate in each party. While the Republicans compare tax proposals and the best way to prosecute the War on Terror, Democrats are divining the patterns and meaning of the glitter and dried macaroni glued to the page of one of their leading candidate's kindergarten projects.

Does this decision not become unsettlingly simple?
 
Let me guess. You're a Republican. Pretty obviously one sided. And no, I do not consider myself a Democrat nor do I plan to vote for one.
 
I think that it is not as simple as stated above...but my preference for Hillary, would not be sorely offended if John McCain were to be elected.

I still fear that he has lost his fire and his age (look who's talking!) is a little advanced...he has obviously slowed markedly over the past five years...but he is a really good guy, and if he were to surround himself with outstanding people I think he could be a wonderful choice...

Or was he talking about Alan Keys???
 
It is certainly one sided, but it does make some very good points. I could also bring up something about each of the Republican candidates that could preclude someone from voting for them though.

Just for the record I would describe myself as a "socially liberal Republican" or "ultra-conservative Democrat", which in reality means I fit in best with the Libertarian party. But I would never even consider voting down party lines, I vote for the best candidate (in my opinion) for the job at hand.

I believe this is going to be a tightly contested general election, and the choices that each party makes for a candidate are more important than ever.

There is of course, the "Bush factor" to take into account. I'm just guessing and throwing out a number here, but I think it is probably about 10%. Which means that the Democrats get a 10% bump before it even starts.

There are folks from both parties that I could not vote for, under any circumstances. I have a feeling I'll be sitting this one out, or "throwing away" my vote on a 3rd party candidate.
 
ChrisAZ said:
Let me guess. You're a Republican. Pretty obviously one sided. And no, I do not consider myself a Democrat nor do I plan to vote for one.

The quote is decidedly right-leaning, but does have its points.

I've voted more "conservatively" in the past, but I consider myself more of an independent these days.
 
I also vote for whichever candidate I most agree with regardless of party. I am always so disappointed in our choices or lack of them. It always seems to be a choice of the best of the worst among no one I would like to see become our President. I have been embarrassed of every American President since I have ever paid attention to who our President is. I am 37 years old so that covers the last 20 years or so.

I ask myslef, who would I be proud to see as our President? Unfortunately, the names that come to mind would never have a chance at winning or would not even attempt to run. The majority of the population is so uninvolved or hypnotized by the media that the entire election process reminds me of a reality TV show that is actually scripted and not reality at all. Unfortunately, the majority of the population are merely sitting on the couch watching and believing what they see on TV because they are told it is "real".

Wow. I scare myself sometimes. Did any of that make sense to anyone but me?

I guess what I am trying to say is that picking the next President really is a "no-brainer" as this thread is titled because we (the general population) have stopped using our brains and simply learn by watching TV. How easily we (the general pop.) can be controlled if there are powers that control what we all see in the media. What if? That is the nightmare question.

I wish Mikey was around to comment. I'd like to hear what he has to say.
 
I'd say that's a pretty one-sided take. I usually try to avoid topics like these, bc I know there are sometimes passionate feelings on each side of an issue

FWIW, I used to consider myself to be a pub, but they lost me the last 6 or so years... When the party of limited government and limited spending rolls up the biggest national debt in our history... Well, I better not get goin down that path. But guess who's going to get to pay for that? That's right. You, me, and Dupree.

This is just my opinion, but I would prefer NOT to have a republican in office PRIMARILY due to their foreign policy/mideast policies and outlook. I think it's one of our biggest weaknesses as a country, looking at the ME situation the way most of the pub candidates do. There are two failures. First, is what Bin Laden was trying to accomplish with 9/11. Second, is staying in an occupation for years bc of a terrorist attack, that wasn't all that related in the first place (and, no WMD's). And it is costing us a few hundred billion dollars a year, and american lives to police the streets of Baghdad? WTF!?!

Terrorism sucks. It is cowardly. Occupations in which we fan those flames of hatred, while misusing our great mean and women in uniform, (also not going to get started on Walter-Reed and the likes), while crippling our economy also sucks, and is probably THE WORST way to respond to terrorism.

It is my opinion, that our governments' RESPONSE to terrorism also threatens our way of life.

Even by their own account the war on terror will probably never end. Yet they want hundreds of billions of dollars per year to fight it.

You do the math.

Unfortunately nobody in our current administration bothered to read up on guerilla warfare, or they would have realized that guerillas win by forcing their superior opponent to expend massive ammounts of resources.

That was the whole purpose of 911. It was a trap. They wanted our response to it to bankrupt us. These people aren't under any illusions that they will defeat the US militarily. They're strategy is to trick the US into defeating ITSELF economically.

IMO, thats probably why 911 didn't happen while Clinton was in power. They likely calculated that he was too much of a pussy to respond with huge military actions... Likely based on his low profile response to the Embassy bombings.

Guess what?


It's working.




*disclaimer I would like to apologize if any of the above offends anyone. I know these comments aren't for everyone.
 
Call me crazy, but, human rights used to be the bedrock of our foreign policy. Now, we prop up dictators in certain parts of the world because they are beneficial to us monetarily.

It's funny how things change.
 
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Well look who crept out of the shadows, heheheheh.

Both of you guys made some good points, it does seem a bit like reality tv. We let the media pick our presidents for us, by convincing the sheeple.

And Teej makes some excellent points about the money. Reagan used the same tactics to bankrupt the Soviet Union, made them spend money they didn't have. But either did we. I honestly believe that if not for the rapid growth of the internet and the vast wealth it created we would still be in a world of shit economically because of that.

Really want to understand trickle down economics? It's what happens when the gov spends way more money then they have. It trickles down to hurt all of us. Responsible spending should be the #1 issue in this election, but it's not, probably not even in the top 10. Instead we are worried about someone being a Mormon, or black (I'm not even sure he is black hehehe).

It's all about catch words and phrases, remember last week and the word change? C'mon, was that for real? I changed yesterday, and today, and I promise to change again tomorrow. In fact I'll change so much you won't know if I'm coming or going. And the sheeple fell for it. What a crock!

What we need is a CEO. A real CEO. I don't care if someone spent the last 40 years in congress. It probably only means that they've been a lazy, thieving bastard for the last 39 years.

I think I'll just write in a vote for Bill Gates. Hell, if he can make $50 billion with a piece of shit OS, think what he could do for the country.
 
DarkSyde said:
Call me crazy, but, human rights used to be the bedrock of our foreign policy. Now, we prop up dictators in certain parts of the world because they are beneficial to us monetarily.

It's funny how things change.
We've been doing that for a long, long time Teej. Right off hand the Shah comes to mind.

Our foreign policy does suck though. But then again so does our domestic policies. And our economic policies. And our social policies. hmmmmmmm
 
OCBob said:
Reagan used the same tactics to bankrupt the Soviet Union, made them spend money they didn't have. But either did we. I honestly believe that if not for the rapid growth of the internet and the vast wealth it created we would still be in a world of shit economically because of that.

Really want to understand trickle down economics? It's what happens when the gov spends way more money then they have. It trickles down to hurt all of us. Responsible spending should be the #1 issue in this election, but it's not, probably not even in the top 10. Instead we are worried about someone being a Mormon, or black (I'm not even sure he is black hehehe).

Truth.



OCBob said:
What we need is a CEO. A real CEO. I don't care if someone spent the last 40 years in congress. It probably only means that they've been a lazy, thieving bastard for the last 39 years.

Haha, no shit. :D
 
OCBob said:
We've been doing that for a long, long time Teej. Right off hand the Shah comes to mind.


Yeah, I thought of that too.

OCBob said:
Our foreign policy does suck though. But then again so does our domestic policies. And our economic policies. And our social policies. hmmmmmmm

You aint tellin me shit, homie. ;) :D
 
DarkSyde said:
Call me crazy, but, human rights used to be the bedrock of our foreign policy. Now, we prop up dictators in certain parts of the world because they are beneficial to us monetarily.

It's funny how things change.
We've always propped up dictators when it benefitted us. That's nothing new. Most other countries have always done it too. :p

As for this election, most of the candidates who are running have already shot themselves in the foot with their past voting records (where my vote is concerned). Ie.....Voting to give illegal aliens gov't benefits (McCain, Obama, Clinton all voted for) or voting NOT to have English as our official language (Obama, Clinton). :(
 
Tim, I understand your feelings with the current candidates. The immigration issue isn't as big of a deal to me as it is others, and I actually side with McCain and the Dems when it comes to immigration stance. (I'm not for amnesty, I also don't think you fence off the 'land of opportunity', don't think it sends the right signal to our neighbors) I would actually consider voting for McCain, because of his stance of immigration, torture, Gitmo, and several of his social policies. That, and I think he's admirable and honest, even when what he believes in may not be 'popular' (i.e. immigration, surge stances) He truly believes in what he's saying, unlike several others who sling poll-tested one-liners like crack rock.

Just my take on McCain.
 
OCBob said:
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What we need is a CEO. A real CEO. I don't care if someone spent the last 40 years in congress. It probably only means that they've been a lazy, thieving bastard for the last 39 years.

I think I'll just write in a vote for Bill Gates. Hell, if he can make $50 billion with a piece of shit OS, think what he could do for the country.

:eek: Bill Gates is a Marxist Commie Socialist.... :eek: :dontknow: :eek: But, then again, so is Hillary... :D Now.... I'm not saying that's all bad (someone might be offended :p )

But, your CEO theory still holds water. I do believe we really need someone that knows business to run the country.
 
Black1 said:
:eek: Bill Gates is a Marxist Commie Socialist.... :eek: :dontknow: :eek: But, then again, so is Hillary... :D Now.... I'm not saying that's all bad (someone might be offended :p )

But, your CEO theory still holds water. I do believe we really need someone that knows business to run the country.
I was just using Gates as an example. I really don't know much about his politics, but I do believe we need someone that can run an organization to run our country.
 
Black1 said:
:eek: Bill Gates is a Marxist Commie Socialist.... :eek: :dontknow: :eek: But, then again, so is Hillary... :D Now.... I'm not saying that's all bad (someone might be offended :p )

But, your CEO theory still holds water. I do believe we really need someone that knows business to run the country.

And which candidate is that ?

D
 
OCBob said:
I was just using Gates as an example. I really don't know much about his politics, but I do believe we need someone that can run an organization to run our country.

I was just Joshin' ya.... :D (Well, he is a Marxist, but... ya know. :dontknow: :D )
 
The CEO idea is certainly a great one. That being said, and as I stated previously, those individuals that would be a good choice are unwilling to run for President or any other political office or would not win even if they did run. Ross Perot is an example although he was a bit whacked out of his head. He was a CEO willing to run for President. There is a connection to a CEO willing and one who is a bit whacked out of his head.

Any sane individual realizes that it's not a job that can be done well without massive overhauling and pulling off the impossible by going up against a political system that is so big and out of control that it would require the stars to align in order to fix even a fraction of it. It's a train run off the tracks at this point. The President alone cannot make or break the system, which is the beauty of it and the downfall of it. At least when we elect a bonehead, as we always do since those are the only viable choices, he or she can not single handedly bring down the nation.

I really think this train is running out of control and only a disaster will effect any major change (or maybe the second coming of Christ - and I am not religious). Our society will implode one day as all great society's have before us. I think we all just hope it doesn't happen during our lives or our childrens lives.

So I guess the American President is hardly anything to get worked up about in the scheme of things.
 

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