RC HURST SHIFTER - WOT 3RD GEAR MISS

[avcts]

Ok guys....

If you have followed this thread on the Hurst Shifter woes......

http://www.srt10forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11324

...You'll know that the OEM shifter has its limitations. Fact, its not Hurst's fault, but DC's fine marketing choices. Nuff said. I have been working with Hurst to test a spring kit that will allow the OEM shifter to hit the 3rd - 4th gate more reliably. I have tested a setup that has a nice improvement over the OEM setup with great results. I had some issues at first. All is well now.

What I've come up with, with the help of Hurst and another tester, is a way to vastly improve your shifter without buying a new one. It works very well and won't cost ANYWHERE near the price of a new shifter. Take a look at the above link. Here are the steps....

1. Remove the isolator
2. Cut your OEM shifter 2.5"
3. Install the "Hurst Upgrade Kit"(FINALIZING WITH HURST)
4. Bleed your clutch (I stole my kid's gatorade bottle and some clear hose)

Now, As soon as Hurst creates a part number for the kit, I will let all know. PLEASE don't call them and waste supports time. They won't know what you are talking about anyway. I'm working with two Engineers...not support. OK?

The retaining screws for the springs are a major pain to remove. I broke 3 T25trying. I had to use a chisle. Otherwise, very easy to do.

Again Guys, I will let you know as soon as Hurst starts the ball rolling. Hopefully, I've helped alot of you with this same same problem and refuse to spend hundreds of dollars correcting it. It should be relatively cheap.

Take all that saved money and by a CenterForce Clutch. I'm going to shortly.

Attached are some pics to clarify:

 

[ROKTMAN]

Wow,sounds like a low cost fix for the OEM shifter woes.I bet a lot of people will take advantae of this when it becomes available.Keep us posted.Maybe Patrick can do a test of the upgrade when it comes out.

 

[RedSrt007]

Wow,sounds like a low cost fix for the OEM shifter woes.I bet a lot of people will take advantae of this when it becomes available.Keep us posted.Maybe Patrick can do a test of the upgrade when it comes out.

I don't see many people seeing this as an option due to you having to cut your factory shifter 2", drilling holes, then having to install the springs, etc...

I think people who are looking for a low-budget alternative will more-then-likely do the B&M for the cost advantages. For slightly more $$ you get another base , shifter, progressive springs, shorter throw, and you still get to retain your factory setup. I would go more into the advantages of the stock Base vs the B&M Base, but it would lead to another review LOL

but thanks for the update!

-Red

 

[avcts]

I disagree.

This is far cheaper than even the BM shifter. By the way, production was halted on that shifter. No release date was given. I cancelled my order.

You DO NOT have to cut your shifter. If you choose to do so, it will reduce throw by 20%. Please read the previous thread.

If you haven't tried this, please don't discourage people. It makes a VAST improvement to the factory setup. Just changing the springs and removing the isolator will give MOST people the feel and accuracy that they are looking for at a VERY VERY low cost.

If you want to go a step further, as I did, cut the shifter and you will see more improvement. I bought a NEW OEM Hurst shifter lever on eBay for 39 bucks shipped. I can go back to OEM stock at any time. I think I currently have 60 bucks total in this. Nearly...I don't think so.

 

[amoparman]

The B&M has not been cancelled. See thread here: http://vtcoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1898

I see advantages to each of the solutions. From the low buck Hurst springs and removing the isolator, to the B&M, and up to the X-Metal. All will fill a nitch so to speak for the members here. Me, being on the lightly to poor side, would try the Hurst springs with my Pistogrip handle and see how that does. I could save up for the B&M, but then there goes the money to pay for some go fast goodies. I can't afford the X-Metal, as much as I really like to support Gary and all he does for the group. It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend, and what level of performance you REALLY need...


Stretch

 

[RedSrt007]

I disagree.

If you haven't tried this, please don't discourage people.

In no way am I discouraging people, that is not my intent.

I'm just stating some opinion w/ some facts..

With all due respect, I have tried the stock shifter, the modified stock shifter (removing noise dampener, etc..), the GenI X-Mental shifter, the B&M shifter, and the Gen4 X-Metal shifter, so I feel I some some slight experience with the different shifters in these trucks. I see what makes the shifters work well, and what needs to be improved, springs are definitely 50% of the problem, and the rest is in the handle and base(read - slop and precise tolerances).

So for the money is the Hurst kit worth it?? Sure, but why not spend the extra few dollars and wait 2 weeks..that's all I'm saying :idea:

or better yet, go with the extreme Gen4 Race version :burnout: heheh

and that is EXATCLY where I agree with amopar's statement :

The B&M has not been cancelled. See thread here: http://vtcoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1898

I see advantages to each of the solutions. From the low buck Hurst springs and removing the isolator, to the B&M, and up to the X-Metal. All will fill a nitch so to speak for the members here. Me, being on the lightly to poor side, would try the Hurst springs with my Pistogrip handle and see how that does. I could save up for the B&M, but then there goes the money to pay for some go fast goodies. I can't afford the X-Metal, as much as I really like to support Gary and all he does for the group. It all comes down to how much you are willing to spend, and what level of performance you REALLY need...


Stretch

 

[SRT10VENOMOUS]

I would do this in a heart beat there is no way in hell i will pay the big bux for a new shifter..i can hit 3rd 99% of the time under wot now after a lil practice and driving skill but for a few bux and a 100% outcome of hitting 3rd im in...

 

[avcts]

Thats correct.

The B&M was not cancelled. Production was halted. I called numerous times. No reason as to why or when they will resume production.

That's why I really wanted to get this low buck option to work. Because I now am in no hurry to get the B&M shifter. I'm satisfied with mine.

Still...240.00 if they can ever get it out of production.......I will try it for a goof. I could not get any pertinent info on it. Like shifter length, ratio reduction, color, adjustability...anything....did you?:dontknow:

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Ya'll play nice or i will send you to different corners and make you play with your pee pees

listen everyone has an opinion and tthat makes this a great place, Patrick just stated his opinion.

I think it is awesome what you are doing and alot of people will go for it, but remember you are going to get alot of negative opinions also, reply to them respectivly and you will get a cool response , thanks bro for doing this

 

[avcts]

You're right.

One thing we can all agree on is the clutch blows.

I can proove to you that I can shift alot better with this cheap setup. Its a 28meg AVI at the drag strip. I can send it to whomever that wants it.

 

[amoparman]

You're right.

One thing we can all agree on is the clutch blows.

I can proove to you that I can shift alot better with this cheap setup. Its a 28meg AVI at the drag strip. I can send it to whomever that wants it.

Ahh, if my clutch blows, I'd have a smile on my face all the time!


I always believed that our trucks needed just that kind of mod...


Stretch

 

[RedSrt007]

Thats correct.

The B&M was not cancelled. Production was halted. I called numerous times. No reason as to why or when they will resume production.

That's why I really wanted to get this low buck option to work. Because I now am in no hurry to get the B&M shifter. I'm satisfied with mine.

Still...240.00 if they can ever get it out of production.......I will try it for a goof. I could not get any pertinent info on it. Like shifter length, ratio reduction, color, adjustability...anything....did you?:dontknow:

almost every question is answered in the B&M shifter review...

Thanks

-Red

 

[avcts]

Damn...

I never noticed that review. Thanks! The base looks taller than the Hurst. This would decrease the angle of coincidence and reduce throw.

As for the springs, they look JUST like the Hurst. The OEM Hurst setup has only the "outer" used on the left side. No inner.

With the impending "Upgrade Kit", your are supplied with a new Left inner and a new, stiffer, right inner to replace the oem.

Downshifting is were the new Hurst springs shine. 6th to 4th and 5th to 4th. Take a look at the pics that I've attached to the first post.

Were can I post a 28meg AVI?

STILL...Hell put me on the list to do a group buy. I just got tired of waiting......

 

[SilvrSRT10]

Hell put me on the list to do a group buy. I just got tired of waiting......

AAAHHHH!!!!, Don't jump ship yet. I'm very interested in what your doing with Hurst. Still continue to keep us updated with whats going on there. I like the idea of improving the shifter we already have for cheap. Let us know what the part# is and the cost of the update kit. And thanks for all that you've done already.

 

[avcts]

No way...

I cant jump ship. I wouldn't do that. Im to far into it. Im waiting for Hurst now to tell me whats next. I know those guys are real busy. It may take a few days more until I hear something.

For 240, Ill still try it and compare to the upgraded Hurst. I just wont buy any groceries for my kids for a week....

Anybody find the CF clutch cheaper than 490 shipped?

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Now this is awesome! We will have a low cost effective fix for the factory shifter.
a nice smooth upgrade for a great price from a manufactureer with years of experience.
And boomers ultra awesome shifter that cant be beat.



Looks to me we have all areas covered

 

[FerrariTruck]

Hey bro goodjob with alternative options to resolve shifter woes!!! I would definately like a cheap fix for the mean time since i dont have the funds, yet eventually i know i'll get the gen 4 shifter. Fudge!!! i wish i had 1k$

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

exactly this should work out great, if someone i tight that can go oem fix and later do the other

 

[Django]

I spoke to Bill Pascoe and Dave Sebring at Hurst/Mr Gasket 2 years ago. They promised to send all kinda shit... (spring kits, Rachel Hunter's labia)...I never saw part one.......... I can't believe that this late in the game that Hurst is still trying to come up with something....

I'm not trying to diminish anyone's enthusiasm for a nice shifter fix..... But this seems a bit late in the game (when two aftermarket shifters are already available) to be considering such a remedy.....

I'm still sticking with BOOMER as soon as I can spare the extra bread.... His shit IS THE REAL SHIT.

SD

 

[mauiSRT/10]

You're right.

One thing we can all agree on is the clutch blows.

LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,,so fricken true!!!

Two must mods on an srt 10 RC, catback and clutch!!! LOL


patrick