Religion VS Science

[Demon 8]

Is it too simplistic to have an issue with the bible due to our evolution from or as decedents of apes? The bible the way I was taught was very much a history of the world from the start. Since then science has shown much history before the time of man. I dont study things like this so I have to ask, how does the modern church explain this? Does the church denounce evolution even with skeletal proof? I am not being an ass by the way. I believe in science, some of my best friends are religious despite me calling myself an atheist. I have no problem with people believing so they can have more comfort with the thought of death, nor do I condemn them for it and in return I get the same respect. I don't like the fear factor approach that is used to push people to follow God (or pay their tithing). Church as we know it is nothing more than a hypocritical business. I would be much happier to see people enjoying their beliefs from there own home, pretty sure the Bible never demanded anyone to go to church anyhow, just that they took the Lord to be their savior.

 

[DevilDawg3097]

I get what you are saying ,but if God gives us what we need,why are so many innocent children starving to death ? Why are so many sick people dying from lack of health ?

I respectfully disagree.God is only obligated to respond to the cry/plea/prayer/petition of faith.He is not obligated to solve all of mans problems.Well,actually He already did : Jesus.Whatever the problem,Jesus is the answer :rock:

We are taught that we dont receive because we don't ask or we ask and don't receive because we ask "amiss,that ye may consume it upon your lusts".So ,we can't just pray for anything at all and expect to get it.We can ask for ANYTHING God promised to us in His word.We can ask in faith because we already have the answer

That is the result of the hardness in mankinds heart. If God intervened with every problem we had would we not call him a dictator.And God is not obliged to anything of us on our own accord but with his son all is possible. When people throw out verses and such they pick what they want to hear, not the whole text. Just like this:
(16)Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary."

(14) Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you."

Gospel of Thomas.

 

[Django]

Is it too simplistic to have an issue with the bible due to our evolution from or as decedents of apes? The bible the way I was taught was very much a history of the world from the start. Since then science has shown much history before the time of man. I dont study things like this so I have to ask, how does the modern church explain this? Does the church denounce evolution even with skeletal proof? I am not being an ass by the way. I believe in science, some of my best friends are religious despite me calling myself an atheist. I have no problem with people believing so they can have more comfort with the thought of death, nor do I condemn them for it and in return I get the same respect. I don't like the fear factor approach that is used to push people to follow God (or pay their tithing). Church as we know it is nothing more than a hypocritical business. I would be much happier to see people enjoying their beliefs from there own home, pretty sure the Bible never demanded anyone to go to church anyhow, just that they took the Lord to be their savior.

You really need to buy a paragraph, Alex......

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[Demon 8]

You really need to buy a paragraph, Alex......

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I value your opinion and would prefer an answer rather than beating the crap out of my ability to write correctly

 

[Django]

Ok

Is

This

Better??

I value your opinion and would prefer an answer rather than beating the crap out of my ability to write correctly

There is a method to my critical madness......

If you were to break your issues up into separate subjects (paragraphs). Then I could address them individually..... This way makes me a bit crazy....

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[Django]

Ask Nelson.......

He seems to have all the answers........

(That was below the belt....... sorry Nels)

D

 

[HOT RAM]

Is it too simplistic to have an issue with the bible due to our evolution from or as decendents of apes? The bible the way I was taught was very much a history of the world from the start. Since then science has shown much history before the time of man. I dont study things like this so I have to ask, how does the modern church explain this? Does the church denounce evolution even with skeletal proof? I am not being an ass by the way. I believe in science, some of my best friends are religious despite me calling myself an atheist. I have no problem with people believing so they can have more comfort with the thought of death, nor do I condemn them for it and in return I get the same respect. I don't like the fear factor approach that is used to push people to follow God (or pay their tithing). Church as we know it is nothing more than a hypocritical business. I would be much happier to see people enjoying their beliefs from there own home, pretty sure the Bible never demanded anyone to go to church anyhow, just that they took the Lord to be their savior.

Dr. Carl Baugh offers a different view on the skeletal "proof".That there are skeletal remains is quite undeniable.That they somehow "prove" the theory of evolution has been argued back and forth,with pretty good arguments on each side.I of course choose to believe the Christian answer over the evolution answer.

As to the going to church,I do not go myself.I believe that man was created for fellowship with God as shown in Genesis ,chapters 1-3.You do NOT need church for that.Many that go to church have never had true spiritual fellowship with God.



There most definitely was a period of time before man .Maybe several periods.
I believe that man was created by God .

Tim,if I had all the answers I would be way better off than I am now

 

[Prof]

Dr. Carl Baugh offers a different view on the skeletal "proof".That there are skeletal remains is quite undeniable.That they somehow "prove" the theory of evolution has been argued back and forth,with pretty good arguments on each side.I of course choose to believe the Christian answer over the evolution answer...

How about a middle ground...if we remove the absolute word "proof" and call the skeletal remains as supporting evidence of a theory...then we may be able to co-exist on this issue.

Evidence is just that, evidence not proof...

But in my mind the evidence is getting pretty overwhelming...

But never say "absolutely."

Even the second law of thermodynamics is always cloaked with the phrase "as far as we know today"...allowing for the discovery of something that disproves or calls into question the "generally recognized" law about energy.

 

[Prof]

Damn, this has been a ball today!

And I got nothing done!

 

[DevilDawg3097]

Here's a theory that we can test. When Iz's clutch was going out and he knew he was gonna have hard time coming up with the money, did he Pray to God for help? Me geuss is yes some sort, but only he can answer, my theory is God helps us out through us by helping each other?And by this I mean he may have asked for the money directly, or along those lines. But that is where we pray wrong I include myself in this also and Iz is just my example, ANd instead of Giving him the money, he got him what he needed. Iz did you pray?

 

[HOT RAM]

How about a middle ground...if we remove the absolute word "proof" and call the skeletal remains as supporting evidence of a theory...then we may be able to co-exist on this issue.

Evidence is just that, evidence not proof...

But in my mind the evidence is getting pretty overwhelming...

But never say "absolutely."

Even the second law of thermodynamics is always cloaked with the phrase "as far as we know today"...allowing for the discovery of something that disproves or calls into question the "generally recognized" law about energy.

OK The skeletal remains can be used to support the theory of evolution

The remains/evidence can almost as easily be used to support the creation theory (though I am not up to speed on that right now) by scientists such as Dr. Baugh.

 

[Prof]

The huge issues really revolve around finding rational people who can strive to find the things they agree upon and move from there...there will always be differences, but with a little tolerance and understanding, we will find many more things to agree upon.

Too often we go for the the starkest differences, without seeking to understand before trying to be understood.

Abortion is a perfect example...we can all agree that if we got on the front of the issue most of the instances in which we disagree could be avoided...

 

[Demon 8]

How about a middle ground...if we remove the absolute word "proof" and call the skeletal remains as supporting evidence of a theory...then we may be able to co-exist on this issue.

Evidence is just that, evidence not proof...

But in my mind the evidence is getting pretty overwhelming...

But never say "absolutely."

Cant do it. That's not what science is about. The idea is to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is no middle ground on these issues which is why I dont discount people who believe so long as they dont try to cram religion down my throat with no proof only faith.

 

[Prof]

I tend to disagree and agree...science seeks information...and it continues to do so...very little is ever absolute. I feel that is the error that religion makes...things change, new information is derived. Some say that the numbers after the decimal in Pi never repeat...but each time a new more powerful computer is developed...one of the first things that is run is an algorithm to prove the theory, or possibly to disprove it.

Science should always be open to new data regardless how much it challenges prevailing thought. And I personally also believe that religion would do well to take the same approach.

 

[supercar1of1]

Question: Why do humans scream?

The act of screaming is the alert/danger call of primates because they lack the ability of speech.

If it is true that humans were created with the ability to speak immediately
(Adam&Eve)then the involuntary act of screaming would be completely illogical for humans, who if frightened should just yell,'HELP!','snake','mouse','spider'etc. Also, why do we scream if frightened when we know we are alone?

In other words if we are not descended from monkeys, why do we react like them when the subconscious takes over?

Think about it.



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[Prof]

Totally, absolutely, incredibly ridiculousness.

You desperately need to study logic and reasoning...you have employed five if not more of the acknowledged fallacies that commonly occur in argumentation.

I recommend reading "Introduction to Logic, 12th Edition" by Copi and Cohen. it is a freshman/sophomore level course...very elementary, but it would be a huge revelation to you.

 

[DevilDawg3097]

Totally, absolutely, incredibly ridiculousness.

You desperately need to study logic and reasoning...you have employed five if not more of the acknowledged fallacies that commonly occur in argumentation.

I recommend reading "Introduction to Logic, 12th Edition" by Copi and Cohen. it is a freshman/sophomore level course...very elementary, but it would be a huge revelation to you.

Thanks you said it better then I could of said. Wanna a banana Super. :marchmellow: Wether I believe in God or not, I still would not believe I or we evolved from apes, maybe neaderathal or something along those lines. This part of evolution I find it hard to believe for one why did the monkeys stop evolving into man, mankind has been around along time to be able to document it. Bonzo still can't speak.

 

[Django]

I waited for someone else to chime in before I laid into you, John.

I'm sorry to say this.... But even a man with no formal education such as myself will read your post and wonder how any right thinking person could write such a thing. It defies any sense of logic, reasoning or even common sense.

Anyone with a full set of frontal lobes would read it and question your ability to walk and chew gum simultaneously......

Yikes, cheese and wowzers.....

D

 

[OCBob]

Thanks you said it better then I could of said. Wanna a banana Super. :marchmellow: Wether I believe in God or not, I still would not believe I or we evolved from apes, maybe neaderathal or something along those lines. This part of evolution I find it hard to believe for one why did the monkeys stop evolving into man, mankind has been around along time to be able to document it. Bonzo still can't speak.

That's not how evolution works. We didn't come from a monkey, but we share common ancestors, which is borne out in the amount of DNA we share. My first go around at school I created my own major in evolutionary ethology. It's a complicated subject, though it might appear so on it's face.

 

[Prof]

I just have to think that John's post (#200 in this thread) was just putting us on. So in the spirit that he posted his humorous comment, I ran across this letter to the editor that uses the same kind of irrational, nonsensical, misconstruing of facts:

But in the spirit of total disclosure, after doing a little research I found that it was written by a lawyer that frequently writes letters to the paper to test the wits of readers...the one above provided some great laughter this morning...but she was pulling our leg...and I will have to get even some day!