Religion VS Science

[Scrambler1]

One of my biggest problem with the college system is that they employ "professors" who are actually only researchers whom they require to teach at least one course. They may be VERY intelligent and they may make the school a shit load of money but they are horrible teachers. They're horrible and they don't care, the school isn't about to fire them. Many of these research professors (at least where I went to school) are foreign and have a poor grasp of the english language. Instead of learning the material I'm struggling to understand the language. Most research professors don't have time to really be professors, instead they have TA's (teachers assistants) who students meet with at least once a week so that they can actually learn something. All questions/concerns are directed to the TA who will pass along to the professor if necessary. Why was I paying 6k a semester to learn from a student??? Sure I had some really good professors, but I had far more who should never teach again. I wouldn't have a business if I continued to employ people with such consistently poor job performance. This is why I like the quote "those who can do, those who can't teach." Sure there are exceptions, Roy it sounds like you are one of them, but I've seen some fine examples too.

 

[supercar1of1]

One of my biggest problem with the college system is that they employ "professors" who are actually only researchers whom they require to teach at least one course. They may be VERY intelligent and they may make the school a shit load of money but they are horrible teachers. They're horrible and they don't care, the school isn't about to fire them. Many of these research professors (at least where I went to school) are foreign and have a poor grasp of the english language. Instead of learning the material I'm struggling to understand the language. Most research professors don't have time to really be professors, instead they have TA's (teachers assistants) who students meet with at least once a week so that they can actually learn something. All questions/concerns are directed to the TA who will pass along to the professor if necessary. Why was I paying 6k a semester to learn from a student??? Sure I had some really good professors, but I had far more who should never teach again. I wouldn't have a business if I continued to employ people with such consistently poor job performance. This is why I like the quote "those who can do, those who can't teach." Sure there are exceptions, Roy it sounds like you are one of them, but I've seen some fine examples too.

If only proven, fully competent, and tested, professors were hired, that had to maintain standards, wouldn't that have a negative effect on, "Diversity?"

 

[Prof]

Institutions need to keep their focus.

The problem is that the focus seems to stray from what it should always be...the student.

 

[OCBob]

I want to bring this back around to the original discussion. Here are my questions for those that doubt science, I'll start with some easy ones.

Do you believe the statistics that point out that humans are getting taller with passing generations? If so, how do you explain it?

Why are people that have originated from different geographic areas so different in both outward appearances and physiology?

How do you explain away carbon dating?

We'll start there. heheh

 

[Django]

I don't even see how the first two questions address God vs: science at all.....

Still, I see no conflict between God and science anyway..... only differences in people's agendas.

D

 

[Ram From Hell]

Institutions need to keep their focus.

The problem is that the focus seems to stray from what it should always be...the student.

No Roy, the focus has always been the student.

The problem is what has been decided to be in the student's best interest. Unfortunately, many of those decisions have resulted in a dramatic undermining of the educational process. While it is a given that the relative quality of the student has become abysmally low, due chiefly to a lack of parenting, the majority of the programs and policies that have been implemented over the last 20-30 years have made the situation far, far worse.

There are countless policies that have gutted the ability to control student behavior in the school. The special attention that must be paid to students with "challenges" is just one example. Virtually any child with behavior problem must be given preferential treatment, as they are required to be treated as "learning disabled". They cannot be disciplined for their actions as a student without said label. They must be allowed to remain fully integrated in the classroom (right to an education) rather than being placed in a program to contend with their issues. So rather than getting the specialized help that has worked in times past, the problem students are now fully mainstreamed to avoid "self esteem issues". The teachers of such students now have to deal not only with disruptive and oft times uncontrollable kids (who have practically been granted a license to do so), but they are given additional paperwork to generate and track for each individual problem child. Now the classrooms have troublemakers the teachers legally cannot discipline, a class of other students who are continually distracted by them, and a teacher who has to divide their limited time disproportionately serving their "special needs" over the ordinary students. To top it all off, the administrative staff has an unwritten policy to downplay or outright ignore issues stemming from behavior problems.

I have to hear about this day in, and day out. It's not at all an isolated issue. It is systemic, and only one of many issues that have ruined the efficacy of public education.

 

[OCBob]

I don't even see how the first two questions address God vs: science at all.....

Still, I see no conflict between God and science anyway..... only differences in people's agendas.

D

They are both examples of evolution.

 

[Django]

They are both examples of evolution.

If you say so......... I'm indifferent to the point anyway....

The idea that God and science are opposing forces is a specious one, anyway....

Perhaps "opinion vs: opinion" should be the name of the thread.

D

 

[BurntRubber]

I want to bring this back around to the original discussion. Here are my questions for those that doubt science, I'll start with some easy ones.

Do you believe the statistics that point out that humans are getting taller with passing generations? If so, how do you explain it?

Why are people that have originated from different geographic areas so different in both outward appearances and physiology?

How do you explain away carbon dating?

We'll start there. heheh

1. and fatter and more cancer? maybe we arent evovling better?
2. micro-evolution from macro-evolution (2 different things)...why does your blood "thin" when you adjust a warmer climate? does your body adapt or evolve into a person with different blood?
3. Carbon dating is useless after 60,000 years. and how do you tell what amount of carbon was in the substance to begin with, and was it under-water (ie...great flood) or frozen (ie...ice-age)?

 

[BurntRubber]

believe what you want, but seriously...27 pages of bullshit because everyone wants to pretend they know what they are talking about...

I should be dead and buried in pine box on atleast 2 occasions in my life...serious crap that went down and I should be dead. BUt I am not and I thank God everyday. Becasue of this I also believe in Jesus Christ.
I dont really give a crap what some scientist or pastor or jerkoff says. I know my life, my accounts of things that have transpired in my life. So I make my own decisions. I choose to serve a God that expects humbleness and for me to do good works for my fellow humans.

So how the F@*% is someone going to convince me different. because no scientist saved me from driving my drunk ass into a wall (no seatbelt, passed out, 50mph) and allowed me to walk away with out a scratch. and no priest stopped 2 thugs from pulling a trigger on me when they had a chance.


So all my Praise be to God!

 

[Scrambler1]

IMO there isn't a whole lot of difference. Both religion and science take a small amount of information (facts) that fits their point of view and then they extrapolate that information as far as they can. Both talk about things that your average, hell above average, mind cannot possibly wrap itself around.

I sat through a class in college about the scientific version of the creation of the world. The professor talked about billions of years like you and I talk about months. Go ahead and think about how long a billion years is, really think about it. Out of that huge time frame scientists claim to know the steps in our planets creation down to minutes. They don't really know... they created some formula and viola. Scientists believe in all kinds of things they can't PROVE. Can they prove macro-evolution? Can they prove carbon dating works beyond a certain time span? Can they prove the big bang theory? They can't even prove this global warming crap. BUT they have no problem accusing people who believe in a religious view of being unable to PROVE what they believe. Usually scientists say "well we can't prove all of it but we can prove part of the principle." That isn't proof, they are taking the rest on FAITH.

Belief in either science or religion takes a certain amount of faith. There are lots of things that neither can prove. Personally the absolute belief in science is a religion, it is simply a religion absent of a god or creator. Feel free to choose which ever you like best, I've made my decision, but those who believe in science are not any smarter or more realistic than anyone else. Even though they tend to think so.

 

[Ram From Hell]

Belief in either science or religion takes a certain amount of faith. There are lots of things that neither can prove. Personally the absolute belief in science is a religion, it is simply a religion absent of a god or creator. Feel free to choose which ever you like best, I've made my decision, but those who believe in science are not any smarter or more realistic than anyone else. Even though they tend to think so.

I'm inclined to disagree with that.

Other than believing that everything in existence can and will eventually be discovered and proven, no part of science should ever come from faith.

It could be said that religion confuses scientific theory with faith. However, science is founded on what can be observed and proven, and, using the best possible methods, use that foundation to theorize on what has not yet been observed or proven.

It is not possible to advance the sciences that we have without imagination, but that should in no way be misconstrued as being an analogue to faith.

 

[OCBob]

believe what you want, but seriously...27 pages of bullshit because everyone wants to pretend they know what they are talking about...

I should be dead and buried in pine box on atleast 2 occasions in my life...serious crap that went down and I should be dead. BUt I am not and I thank God everyday. Becasue of this I also believe in Jesus Christ.
I dont really give a crap what some scientist or pastor or jerkoff says. I know my life, my accounts of things that have transpired in my life. So I make my own decisions. I choose to serve a God that expects humbleness and for me to do good works for my fellow humans.

So how the F@*% is someone going to convince me different. because no scientist saved me from driving my drunk ass into a wall (no seatbelt, passed out, 50mph) and allowed me to walk away with out a scratch. and no priest stopped 2 thugs from pulling a trigger on me when they had a chance.


So all my Praise be to God!

OK, what about all the folks that have been killed in these same situations, or any other for that matter. God just didn't give a shit about them?

 

[supercar1of1]

1. and fatter and more cancer? maybe we arent evovling better?
2. micro-evolution from macro-evolution (2 different things)...why does your blood "thin" when you adjust a warmer climate? does your body adapt or evolve into a person with different blood?
3. Carbon dating is useless after 60,000 years. and how do you tell what amount of carbon was in the substance to begin with, and was it under-water (ie...great flood) or frozen (ie...ice-age)?

There was a program a few month's ago on the learning channel, that showed the results of a scientists calculation by way of a super computer, which was that even had it rained as hard as it could possibly rain for fourty days and fourty nights(whatever it was) over the entire earth it would have raised the sea level only about four feet.

Add to that a doctor that stated if the atmosphere stayed at that degree of humidity for that length of time, peoples lungs would have filled with water and killed them along with all the animals.

Another scientist calculated the time to load all the animals known to exist only to persons of the time and found there just wasn't time to load, feed, clean up after, etc; all the animals.

Add to that, using another powerful computer, there is no wood strong enough to have been built to the demensions even today that would have not collapsed under it's own weight.

There is no explination in any of the scripture explaining how the diferent races came to be, only language,(tower of Bable).

I don't know, but my thory on cancer is that it has allways been here, but with the steady increase in longevity is just more noticeable.

Remember this time last century the average life was only 45 or so.

We are getting fatter due to virtually no physical activity and high calorie diets, compared with past generations.





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[BurntRubber]

OK, what about all the folks that have been killed in these same situations, or any other for that matter. God just didn't give a shit about them?

In both those instances I was doing something I wasnt supposed to be doing
To say I had all the answers would be a lie. But we as humans have "sinned" and turned to what "we think" is best for us. thus the world is not perfect.
You do bring up a good point Bob (which you normally do), Im not sure why i am still walking around, but I am, and I can only go about my life from now on in a way that I feel is best for my family and myself. I have trusted that God knows what is best for me.
I can only speak for myself...thats why I dont concern myslef with what others believe...what you believe makes no difference to me (although I feel that God & JC are the way) I still call you a friend.

 

[Prof]

In both those instances I was doing something I wasnt supposed to be doing
To say I had all the answers would be a lie. But we as humans have "sinned" and turned to what "we think" is best for us. thus the world is not perfect.
You do bring up a good point Bob (which you normally do), Im not sure why i am still walking around, but I am, and I can only go about my life from now on in a way that I feel is best for my family and myself. I have trusted that God knows what is best for me.
I can only speak for myself...thats why I dont concern myslef with what others believe...what you believe makes no difference to me (although I feel that God & JC are the way) I still call you a friend.

Hey! If it makes you comfortable, go with it! And more power to you.

How can any of us quibble with personal choice...its like the discussion of which color truck is faster...

 

[BurntRubber]

There was a program a few month's ago on the learning channel, that showed the results of a scientists calculation by way of a super computer, which was that even had it rained as hard as it could possibly rain for fourty days and fourty nights(whatever it was) over the entire earth it would have raised the sea level only about four feet.

Add to that a doctor that stated if the atmosphere stayed at that degree of humidity for that length of time, peoples lungs would have filled with water and killed them along with all the animals.

Another scientist calculated the time to load all the animals known to exist only to persons of the time and found there just wasn't time to load, feed, clean up after, etc; all the animals.

Add to that, using another powerful computer, there is no wood strong enough to have been built to the demensions even today that would have not collapsed under it's own weight.
thats why the Bible says what is impossible with man, is possible with GodThere is no explination in any of the scripture explaining how the diferent races came to be, only language,(tower of Bable).

I don't know, but my thory on cancer is that it has allways been here, but with the steady increase in longevity is just more noticeable.

Remember this time last century the average life was only 45 or so.
maybe before high fructose corn styrup, and trans fat people lived longer
We are getting fatter due to virtually no physical activity and high calorie diets, compared with past generations.





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but as far as the account of Noah, when I meet God I will ask him about it

 

[BurntRubber]

Hey! If it makes you comfortable, go with it! And more power to you.

How can any of us quibble with personal choice...its like the discussion of which color truck is faster...

Personally...black!

 

[Prof]

I tend to agree:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

 

[Django]

I tend to agree:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

Black....definately....... :congrats: :rock:

D