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God vs. Science

'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of
his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a

moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here
and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water
from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil
in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything correct??

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created
everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to
the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this
world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the
lecturer breaks awa y to pace in front of the classroom. The class is
mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.

'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your
Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science
has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

' Yes.'

'And is there such a thing a s cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.

The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which
is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such
thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest
-458 degrees.'

'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit
energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see,
sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room.20A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it
isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence
of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing
and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define
the word.'

'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will
be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can
you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains..
'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a
bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'
'It uses electricity and magnetism, but science has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact
that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes
where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you
not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a
preache r?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
let me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who
has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into
laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of
empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have
no brain, with all due respect, sir.'

'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures,
sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his
face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess
you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is
in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

The student was Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein did write a book titled God vs. Science in 1921...
 
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: Einstein was man that looked through may windows instead of the front picture window.:congrats: :congrats:
 
That must have been right before he dropped out of college. ;) :congrats:

Too bad AE was a noted Agnostic....

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth." - Albert Einstein

That, Scott, WAS one of the most compelling arguments about the subject I've heard tho. Nice find! I just wish people wouldn't ruin (assuming this was one of those nice "feel good" emails we get) the true message with lies about the author. :(
 
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andrew heywood said:
Einstein............:congrats:
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In a letter to Eric Gutkind in 1954 Einstein wrote:

I read a great deal in the last days of your book, and thank you very much for sending it to me. What especially struck me about it was this. With regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common. ... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.






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While I don't think Einstein was responsible for the exchange,it is a superb argument for the case of religion/GOD/faith .



:congrats: :rock: :congrats: :rock: :congrats: :rock: :congrats: :rock: :congrats:
 
I'm breaking out the fkn Jiffy Pop......

The Einstein issue was one in which I got into a real chin wag with Azmal and Ram from Hell....

That was the night they both went on my ignore list....

Everyone went away thinking that he'd won.......

I won........ Einstein was a Godly man... just not a religious one.

Who wants butter and salt.....?

D
 
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Django said:
I'm breaking out the fkn Jiffy Pop......

The Einstein issue was one in which I got into a real chin wag with Azmal and Ram from Hell....

That was the night they both went on my ignore list....

Everyone went away thinking that's he'd won.......

I won........ Einstein was a Godly man... just not a religious one.

Who wants butter and salt.....?

D

Just butter Tim..salt makes me swell..
 
Plain popcorn is simply the absence of butter, salt or cheese;
However, to add character to my bucket full, I'll take butter please.:D
 
mopower1958 said:
Great post!!!!! Roy ought to like that one:D


I liked the exchange...I strongly believe in God. I just don't buy the human words and interpretations that man has placed around the concept of God to feed their own purposes.

By the way, this is the kind of exchange that makes the educational environment so exciting.

And...if salt will make me swell...can I count on all parts of me swelling?

By the way Snopes calls this discussion false...regardless, it is a wonderful exchange constructed by someone and attributed to a great thinker to try to make the point...the height of dishonesty and deceit.
 
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to me most scientist use science as a excuse when talking about religion.
 
Scientists claim lots of things to be fact that they cannot prove or touch... evolution, global warming, big bang theory to name a few.
 
Very good post:rock: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:
 
The last thing I want is to be added to an ignore list but I side with Science...yes I do believe I am a Silverback at heart, with a little algae for good measure
 
I don't know of any true scientists that have tried to "disprove" God. Doesn't mean there haven't been a few, but more than likely any that have are somewhat of a quack IMO.

But religion attempts to disprove science all the time because it won't fit into their teachings. They are scared of new information, just look back through history. Scientists were arrested for hypothesizing that the earth revolved around the sun because it didn't fit their view. Well, guess what? Those studying the science were right. Doesn't mean they're always right, but even when they are religion tends to dismiss it.

Evolution does not mean that there isn't a supreme being, maybe that was the plan all along. Who's to know for sure? But believe it or not, evolution has been proven enough that it is generally accepted, even by many religious folks, including if I'm not mistaken Pope John Paul II.

When religious leaders fail to open their eyes, they do themselves, their church, and their followers a great disservice IMO. And not for nothing, but it also does nothing for their credibility.
 
The moral of the whole story is Love one another and accept people for who and what the are...Not what you want them to be. Everyone is different and it's those differences that need to be embraced to gain full understanding...Point in fact is how many of you thought or think I am a total asshole and shit starter...Only to find out the complete opposite is true ? The answer to that is almost every one of you...:D But the things I say to someone on this site no matter how abrasive and sick....Is the same thing I would tell you to your face and have in many GTG's. I know poor example but the intent and meaning are the same...I have not had my morning Bong rip yet stand by :p
 
OCBob said:
I don't know of any true scientists that have tried to "disprove" God. Doesn't mean there haven't been a few, but more than likely any that have are somewhat of a quack IMO.

But religion attempts to disprove science all the time because it won't fit into their teachings. They are scared of new information, just look back through history. Scientists were arrested for hypothesizing that the earth revolved around the sun because it didn't fit their view. Well, guess what? Those studying the science were right. Doesn't mean they're always right, but even when they are religion tends to dismiss it.

Evolution does not mean that there isn't a supreme being, maybe that was the plan all along. Who's to know for sure? But believe it or not, evolution has been proven enough that it is generally accepted, even by many religious folks, including if I'm not mistaken Pope John Paul II.

When religious leaders fail to open their eyes, they do themselves, their church, and their followers a great disservice IMO. And not for nothing, but it also does nothing for their credibility.
Thus the questions I posed on the Obama thread Bobby :argh:
 

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