?'s on the Roe SC

[outnumbered]

Because I don't want to bother Roe, and figured some of you would have the answers.

1. Do you have to run Meth?
2. Is there an intercooler available...can you plumb one in..say off a Paxton?
3. For those of you that have installed them yourself (mail order), was the supplied program fairly close (e.g too rich, too lean)?

 

[Sharpimage]

Because I don't want to bother Roe, and figured some of you would have the answers.

1. Do you have to run Meth?

No. the rest someone else will chime in... :rock:

Sharpi

 

[nycstev]

Because I don't want to bother Roe, and figured some of you would have the answers.

1. Do you have to run Meth?
2. Is there an intercooler available...can you plumb one in..say off a Paxton?
3. For those of you that have installed them yourself (mail order), was the supplied program fairly close (e.g too rich, too lean)?

I have same question:dontknow:

 

[NBT]

Because I don't want to bother Roe, and figured some of you would have the answers.

1. Do you have to run Meth?
2. Is there an intercooler available...can you plumb one in..say off a Paxton?
3. For those of you that have installed them yourself (mail order), was the supplied program fairly close (e.g too rich, too lean)?

You can run the SC without the Meth.

The pre-programed tune is not lean, and is very "conservative", as ROE aires on the side of safety than over-aggressive.... they also tune your truck using A/F from out the exhaust, at the tailpipe, vs. from one of the forward O2bungs... so it''s a bit rich yet IMHO...:dontknow: Might be off in my assumption....that's why I let them deal with it.

I recently pulled plugs on mine and they were perfect.... my tune however was done at the shop, when the SC was put on.
There are a few here that have done self installation, and probably ran the stock SC program through the VEC.. have not heard of any issues to date.
Bone will be able to give you further specific's.... he is a smart one, and has been tuning his truck for some time with the VEC.

There was a member here that was running an intercooler on his.

 

[outnumbered]

Ken,
Do you have the meth on yours?

 

[Silverback]

..........There was a member here that was running an intercooler on his.

Who was this? I remember seeing pictures on the NFFF of a side mount that had an intercooler, but not a top mount.

I would like to add, that I believe it would be possible to add an intercooler between the blower and manifold from the pictures I have seen.

If I get the time after work today I will go into more detail if anyone is interested.

 

[Prof]

Just curious...why go with an intercooler rather than the meth...unless you are really going to push the Roe with a very strong boost, the meth injection seems to be doing a great job...it is much less complicated, and if it works...well, I guess that there is no problem with extra caution and extra cooling...this is a pretty new approach with our trucks...but the meth has been a staple with Vipers for years...

I also think that Sean is very cautious about the tune he applies. Mine is a little more agressive than he normally does, but in his words, mine are still within very safe limits...1fast400 pushed the limits much more, and while he had engine problems (among other things) he stands behind the Roe 100%.

Don't hesitate to call Dave at Roe...it is his job to respond to questions...then share his input!

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

I think the Roe SC is the best bang for the buck, easy install , makes killer power.

I think most will end up around 600-650hp with Seans tune.

I do however think with a custom tune on the dyno, long tubes, and catless ,and a few other mods here and there and an aggressive custom tune that 700hp is not out of the question.

I do think an intercooler could be fabbed in.

meth? intercooler? man too much thermodynamics for me


Just do it Ron

but remember the install of the Vec III and a good fuel system will go along way.

guages, boost, fuel pressure, AEM will be a must.


and also expect a few minor tranny upgrades later on

 

[JR_PRO]

Because I don't want to bother Roe, and figured some of you would have the answers.

1. Do you have to run Meth?
2. Is there an intercooler available...can you plumb one in..say off a Paxton?
3. For those of you that have installed them yourself (mail order), was the supplied program fairly close (e.g too rich, too lean)?

Just curious...do you have a specific concern running meth? I myself have not heard of any problems running meth but again I am not S/C either.

Thanks!

 

[Texas Yellow Fever]

My guess is that an intercooler would be a great addition to a Roe S/C, perhaps in addition to a meth injection system. After all cooler is better, no? According to BDS' web site an intercooler adds 4 inches to the overall height of the S/C so someone would need to measure to make sure it would fit under the hood...

Here's a link to BDS's site that explains it and shows how it's plumbed etc:

http://www.blowerdriveservice.com/c..._id=&category_id=&distributor_id=&model_id2=0

 

[Silverback]

My guess is that an intercooler would be a great addition to a Roe S/C, perhaps in addition to a meth injection system. After all cooler is better, no? According to BDS' web site an intercooler adds 4 inches to the overall height of the S/C so someone would need to measure to make sure it would fit under the hood...

Here's a link to BDS's site that explains it and shows how it's plumbed etc:

http://www.blowerdriveservice.com/c..._id=&category_id=&distributor_id=&model_id2=0

That is the intercooler that they offer. I honestly believe that it could be done with a lower profile unit.

If I wasn't working so many f*cking hours I would dig out my thermodynamics books and figure out what it would take to do this.

I do however agree with the BDS approach. Mount the intercooler between the blower and the intake manifold. This is much more effiecent than routing the pressurized air to the front of the vehicle for an air to air intercooler.

I would also go with the closed loop system. It would have an electric water pump that routed the water up to a separate heat exchanger (radiator) that only cools the intercooler system.

Like I said, it would take someone with knowledge of thermodynamics to work out the system, as you would also have to consider the heat generated by the engine where the intercooler is also. It's not just the heat generated by compressing the air that needs to be designed for.

Hope that helps.

 

[Bone]

Because I don't want to bother Roe, and figured some of you would have the answers.

1. Do you have to run Meth?
2. Is there an intercooler available...can you plumb one in..say off a Paxton?
3. For those of you that have installed them yourself (mail order), was the supplied program fairly close (e.g too rich, too lean)?

1. No, I have done so just to try it.
2. Anything is possible. 1Fast400 I believe had one.
3. Mine wasn't mail order, I picked it up. Nevertheless, still relevant. I told Sean my mods and my install and he created a program for me, or actually three programs. He added more fuel due to the additional mods. It was rich and safe. He also gave me three different timing (ign) profiles. No pinging or knocking with any of them, so I have more tuning to do go with the timing. I have mine programed for 11.8 A/F ratio for now.

Sean forgot to add meth to two of the programs, so I added it back in (or maybe that was his intent?), no big deal. Tuning with Sean is not an issue, he is there for you and will return your phone call or email at just about all hours. I emailed him at around midnight on a Sunday and he answered it in two minutes!.

Call me or Taliban Dan if you have questions. If you do the install you can always call us too.

The hardest part of the install was actually converting the VEC 2 to a VEC 3. The directions he wrote were for a VEC3 wiring install, not a VEC 2. There were two key items not mentioned in the directions, but we called Sean and worked them out (in minutes). He is a very smart man obviously on the subject, so for us novices he can talk above our craniums at times and even get a little flustered at why we didn't know it in the first place. lol

As a side note, Sean is going thru a divorce and it is probably not the easiest thing for him or anyone.

 

[Bone]

My guess is that an intercooler would be a great addition to a Roe S/C, perhaps in addition to a meth injection system. After all cooler is better, no? According to BDS' web site an intercooler adds 4 inches to the overall height of the S/C so someone would need to measure to make sure it would fit under the hood...

Here's a link to BDS's site that explains it and shows how it's plumbed etc:

http://www.blowerdriveservice.com/categorynarrow.php?partnumber=3435&page=0&limit=10&compid=101011&YMM=&reorder=&sort=&dealer=&engine_id=&&brand_id=&year_model_id=&price_id=&category_id=&distributor_id=&model_id2=0

I haven't tried the link yet, but there is no more room to raise the ROE SC. The inlet would have to be modified. It is only an inch or less from the firewall. I can take pics if you want and when I have time.

 

[NBT]

Ken,
Do you have the meth on yours?

Yes, and I can program it to be used, or not used... via the programmed cards. If it is off.... a less aggressive tune is used with less timing, spark, ect.. so as not to detonate.

Honestly, I run the truck with the meth off 90 % of the time. I really only use it when the truck get's hot lapped at the track, or I am running around on one of our sweatbox, summmer day's here.
I have been running meth for two years without incident.

 

[Prof]

One of the reasons Sean gave me a program without meth was in case I ran out...the bottle drops off or some other strange event...he is so damn detailed! He also gave me a card for 91 octane incase that was all I could get when visiting Stinker in the middle of nowhere...and all I could get was banana oil (opps sorry Silverback).

 

[Bone]

Here are some pics of the Top of the Roe SC inlet. As you can see, not too much room for growth.

Excuse the NOS wiring mess for now.






Now the next question I am sure would be sliding the SC forward. Well, you would probably have to completely redesign Sean's intake plenum that he used to tune each cylinder. Then there would probably be a fitting issue with the hood too. Pully/etc. in turn would have to be redesigned.

 

[outnumbered]

Yes, and I can program it to be used, or not used... via the programmed cards. If it is off.... a less aggressive tune is used with less timing, spark, ect.. so as not to detonate.

Honestly, I run the truck with the meth off 90 % of the time. I really only use it when the truck get's hot lapped at the track, or I am running around on one of our sweatbox, summmer day's here.
I have been running meth for two years without incident.

That is a perfect answer...thank you very much! I haven't been real thrilled about the idea of having to be dependent on the meth, and it appears that I can use it when I want. This was one of my main concerns between the Roe and the Paxton. This is starting to get very interesting. Stinker, not a word to Tammy about SC discussions!!!

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

That is a perfect answer...thank you very much! I haven't been real thrilled about the idea of having to be dependent on the meth, and it appears that I can use it when I want. This was one of my main concerns between the Roe and the Paxton. This is starting to get very interesting. Stinker, not a word to Tammy about SC discussions!!!

I thought her name was Lutca:dontknow: :dontknow:

 

[outnumbered]

Go do a #3!

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Go do a #3!

been doin tons of those today

musta been da ribs