STOCK TIMING VALUES!

[Bone]

STOCK TIMING VALUES!

I have been holding out posting these for awhile but I felt it is very valuable info for us to share.

Here are the stock Mopar timing values for a 2005 QC:
RPM Degrees
3000 = 20.5
3500 = 19
4000 = 18.5
4500 = 21
5000 = 25.5
5500 = 31
cguru:

I also have my performance program values (performance program tuned at Roe Racing) and a performance program with Methanol Injection.

In addition, I have B&G's (Boomer's) timing info, however I will await his/their blessing before posting them.

 

[RedSrt007]

Great info! thx bone...

 

[mopar_mudder]

STOCK TIMING VALUES!



In addition, I have B&G's (Boomer's) timing info, however I will await his/their blessing before posting them.

Don't think you will get it. I have been asking for this kind of comparison from them since the flashes started coming out. Never have got an answer or even acknowledged.

 

[RedSrt007]

Don't think you will get it. I have been asking for this kind of comparison from them since the flashes started coming out. Never have got an answer or even acknowledged.

I have them, just havnt posted them up out of respect

 

[FSTJACK]

STOCK TIMING VALUES!

I have been holding out posting these for awhile but I felt it is very valuable info for us to share.

Here are the stock Mopar timing values for a 2005 QC:
RPM Degrees
3000 = 20.5
3500 = 19
4000 = 18.5
4500 = 21
5000 = 25.5
5500 = 31
quote]

No wonder the trucks are so soft on the bottom end.

Timing of 31-36 degrees should be all in by 3000.

I am sure the factory does that for emissions and clutch life.

 

[Bone]

Don't think you will get it. I have been asking for this kind of comparison from them since the flashes started coming out. Never have got an answer or even acknowledged.

I already have them. I broke down the flash, as I previously stated.

In addition, I have B&G's (Boomer's) timing info, however I will await his/their blessing before posting them.

 

[Bone]

These were my initial values for a VEC QC performance program and a performance program with Methanol. Call it a Stage 1 VEC program for ignition values. This should be close to a good performance baseline for you to start tweaking even more. (Much of this information was derived with Sean Roe at Roe Racing. Thanks and credit go to him and his team.)

Stock.................... Performance program..... Methanol Performance
3000 = 20.5............3000 = 24.5.......................3000 = 27.5 (+3.0)
3500 = 19...............3500 = 26.........................3500 = 28.5 (+2.5)
4000 = 18.5............4000 = 27.........................4000 = 30 (+3.0)
4500 = 21...............4500 = 28.........................4500 = 31 (+3.0)
5000 = 25.5............5000 = 29.........................5000 = 32 (+3.0)
5500 = 31..............5500 = 32.5.......................5500 = 35 (+2.5)

As you see, the performance program is 1.5 - 8.5 degrees over stock.
With the Methanol Injection, the timing is increased even more. 2.5-3.0 degrees.
My new improved values, not posted, are higher; call it a stage 2. *Please use caution if exceeding stock values and even more attention to detail if exceeding these above performance values.

 

[SRT10VENOMOUS]

These were my initial values for a VEC QC performance program and a performance program with Methanol. Call it a Stage 1 VEC program for ignition values. This should be close to a good performance baseline for you to start tweaking even more. (Much of this information was derived with Sean Roe at Roe Racing. Thanks and credit go to him and his team.)

Stock.................... Performance program..... Methanol Performance
3000 = 20.5............3000 = 24.5.......................3000 = 27.5 (+3.0)
3500 = 19...............3500 = 26.........................3500 = 28.5 (+2.5)
4000 = 18.5............4000 = 27.........................4000 = 30 (+3.0)
4500 = 21...............4500 = 28.........................4500 = 31 (+3.0)
5000 = 25.5............5000 = 29.........................5000 = 32 (+3.0)
5500 = 31..............5500 = 32.5.......................5500 = 35 (+2.5)

As you see, the performance program is 1.5 - 8.5 degrees over stock.
With the Methanol Injection, the timing is increased even more. 2.5-3.0 degrees.
My new improved values, not posted, are higher; call it a stage 2. *Please use caution if exceeding stock values and even more attention to detail if exceeding these above performance values.

How much higher on the timing can you go and be safe??? and why does the timing increase with the meth? also does the meth help prevent detination? so this timing increase will be ok?? pls give more detalis bro.. and lets see this stage 2 set up

 

[Bone]

How much higher on the timing can you go and be safe??? and why does the timing increase with the meth? also does the meth help prevent detination? so this timing increase will be ok?? pls give more detalis bro.. and lets see this stage 2 set up

The amount of timing would probably vary between trucks and mods, so there is no easy answer.

Cooler temps, less chance of detonation.

Yes, it helps prevent detonation.

Yes, this timing increase should be ok and relatively safe for a performance program. However, it is above stock settings.

I'd post 'em (stage 2), however, you know as well as I do, that someone with a stock truck will use them. I don't want to be the cause of someone trashing their engine.:listen: Plus, B&G/Boomer should pay me for that info! Ha! Or at least trade me a Paxton for it.

Also, I did not post my Fuel increses/decreases and amount of methanol per RPM. That would take awhile. Obviously, there is more than ignition in making a flash or performance VEC program. I am just talking about timing here in this post.

 

[Bone]

STOCK TIMING VALUES!

No wonder the trucks are so soft on the bottom end.

Timing of 31-36 degrees should be all in by 3000.

I am sure the factory does that for emissions and clutch life.

Our trucks also need more fuel on the bottom end and lean out at the top end.

 

[mopar_mudder]

Any change you would have access to the Mopar ECM to get the timing out of that?

 

[Bone]

Any change you would have access to the Mopar ECM to get the timing out of that?

That is the Mopar ECM. Or are you talking about the performance ECM?

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Thats funny when I looked at my tune over at underground , at 4000 it was 29 or so then to 14 then to 30?

 

[Bone]

Thats funny when I looked at my tune over at underground , at 4000 it was 29 or so then to 14 then to 30?

:dontknow: The 29 and 30 sound good for performance, but 14?? Off the throttle/gas pedal?

 

[mopar_mudder]

That is the Mopar ECM. Or are you taling about the performance ECM?

Yea I was talking about their aftermarket performance one. Would be interesting to see how much they actually do to it for "performance" fuel and timming curve comparisons would be cool.

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

No Bone that was on the dyno, the numbers arent perfect ,but the 14 I definitly remember , thats when KC at the underground told me not to drive it until he could tune it.

 

[RedRamRules]

Is there any mechanical way of changing your timing? I am used to the cap & rotor adjustment regarding timing, I haven't understoof duel injection and all its computer madness yet. I am guessing the only way would be using the VEC II, AEM or other tuner software.

 

[Bone]

No Bone that was on the dyno,

Were we talking about anything else?:dontknow:

 

[Bone]

Is there any mechanical way of changing your timing? I am used to the cap & rotor adjustment regarding timing, I haven't understoof duel injection and all its computer madness yet. I am guessing the only way would be using the VEC II, AEM or other tuner software.

You're going Old School on us! roud:

 

[Bone]

Yea I was talking about their aftermarket performance one. Would be interesting to see how much they actually do to it for "performance" fuel and timming curve comparisons would be cool.

No, I only have the stock mopar and Boomer's (B&G) for flashes. You are welcome to buy it, break it down, and then post it on here for us!