Thomas Jefferson ?

[THEWELSHM]

I agree Welsh...but inciting violence, hatred and the like is the opposite of stimulating.:dontknow:

I concur!!!

thewelshm

 

[supercar1of1]

I have a pretty good understanding of what a Republic is and what a Democracy is. I just don't have the patience anymore to belabor the point I was trying to make...sorry if I come off as ignorant.

I respect that you served our Country. (But how can you say that we should take back the Country and support spilling the blood of Patriots and what not if you have done this...I can't remember who it was that posted that quote but I found it offensive. Mostly because I could be one of those Patriots.:dontknow: )

John, I don't base intelligence off of IQ's and Patents. I have never taken an IQ test, never had time to develop something that requires a Patent and definitely never claimed to be the most intellectually intelligent person in this world. But through my life, work and personal experiences developed a keen sense of being able to outwit the most intelligent beings to continue to survive in a demanding environment and succeed. I would have to prove my intelligence through experience, but, I don't think I need to. That would be egotistical and annoying....

I also apologize for becoming upset at something so trivial also....and accept your apology as well. However, I don't think you needed to apologize to everyone. It was you and I in an argument. Wasn't the end of the world! Not like I am going to hop in a P-3 and fly over to Georgia to punch you in the eye or anything, quite the opposite. Just wanted to vent.

I apologized in public because I published the Bonehead post in public.

It's an old Southern thing, a good example is that if you misbehaved in school and had to take a beating, you would take a much worse beating when you went home for shaming the family. :argh:

I know that sounds bad, but others and I are glad now to have been raised under those conditions. I am not aware of a single person from my youth like-raised that did not mature into a successful, self reliant, honorable citizen.

Anyway, maybe we could meet up and have a few one day.

PS: I didn't elaborate, but someone might want to have second thoughts about punching me to,(I have many witnesses that would testify to that).HE,HE,HE! Peace


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[KRAZYSRT10]

I apologized in public because I published the Bonehead post in public.

It's an old Southern thing, a good example is that if you misbehaved in school and had to take a beating, you would take a much worse beating when you went home for shaming the family. :argh:

I know that sounds bad, but others and I are glad now to have been raised under those conditions. I am not aware of a single person from my youth like-raised that did not mature into a successful, self reliant, honorable citizen.

Anyway, maybe we could meet up and have a few one day.


PS: I didn't elaborate, but someone might want to have second thoughts about punching me to,(I have many witnesses that would testify to that).HE,HE,HE! Peace


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I understand this...I have spent most of my Naval Career in the South. My wife is from the South. And I plan on retiring in the South. Never feel bad about how and where you are raised...I would be proud of that heritage...as long as it is honorable!

....I am always down for a few cold beers!!!:rock: :rock: :rock:

 

[KRAZYSRT10]

Oh...and only a true southern gentlemen would admit that no one could kick his ass....

 

[Venom Power]

OHHHHHHH, THOMAS Jefferson.. I thought this thread was about the other famous Jefferson.. The one that moved up with with wife Weezie to the east side... after finally getting a piece of the pie.. My mistake..

 

[supercar1of1]

I agree Welsh...but inciting violence, hatred and the like is the opposite of stimulating.:dontknow:

For years I taught use of force to LEO's.(This first portion will tie in at the end)

The first consideration concerning the use of force, is whether or not a person('s) is engaged in conduct that would justify you using force to stop said conduct in the first place.
The above condition being met, it should be known that there are several levels of force culminating in deadly force, but only that amount necessary to stop the offending conduct should be used .

The degree of force used should allways be based on the actions of the person the force is being used against.

I am going to try and give an example of how citizens like myself feel. Note: The First Owner Represents our Founding Fathers, The New Owner represents our current government)

Imagine that a good friend of yours came up with a very successful business.

The business is composed of a training facility, a manufacturing plant, and regional sales reps of which you were one.

Your friend that owns the co; is a very fine person of character and integrity resulting in total employee satisfaction.

Then one day he calls you to come to his office right away. When you arrive he advises you that he had only a short time to live and wanted you to be a witness to the signing and conditions of the sale of the company, then introduces you to the buyer.

The condition of sale is that the new owner continue to operate the company in the same manner as he had , even to the extent that the new owner raise his hand and swear in front of you and the other witnesses to strictly follow these meathods and rules which had been reduced to writing(Constitution).

Well a few years go by and all of a sudden you get a memo stating a significant price increasein product combined with a large reduction in your compensation.

You discover that the new owner had blown most of the co's money on himself and reduced the other employees compensation to the point they had trouble keeping any employees.

I would imagine that at this point you meet wth the other employees who had knowlege of the agreement and then communicate to new owner that he was in violation of his oath and binding contract that he signed, to which he responded by another reduction in compensation.


I would venture to say that your next move would be to send him a certified letter stating that you intend to retain councel and take him to court if he did not stop violating the contract he swore to abide by. His response was to reduce your compensation to the point that it lowered your quality of life even further.

I would venture that at this point you would retain counsel who's first step would be to send a letter to the buyer, who then responds buy reducing your compensation again.

At this point a lawsuit is filed. The result after you spend years and thousands of dollars is that your case is dismissed. You and your councel are just stunned how your case could be dismissed when the owner was so obviously at fault, but then you find out that the new owner was somehow
connected with the courts.

The new owner then sends you a memo that you can stay on as long as your sales stats stay the same but cutting your compensation to near starvation level.

For the sake of argument lets say that it would be impossible for you or any of the other original employees to get another job.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO NOW???????




The above is the best example I can think of to describe the escalation of force to stop inappropriate conduct plus it describes my personal observations of the ever increasing size, power, cost, and oppressive control of government just in my lifetime.

It was just announced that none of my federal government representatives were allowed to participate in the construction of, nor even afforded time to read this new stupidass er' stimulus plan bill which is going to result in even more of the already taxed money that I and other hard working people EARNED being FORCEBLY sucked into and consumed by the giant BLACK HOLE that our federal government has become.

When taxes are imposed on a people by an entity that totally excludes said peoples elected representatives coudn't that be interprited as "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION".

Been awhile but I seem to recall something about a little "FRACAS" that resulted over the issue of "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION" some years ago. :dontknow:
JOHN T HARGRAVES
"AMERICAN"
15,FEB. 2009

 

[supercar1of1]

Oh...and only a true southern gentlemen would admit that no one could kick his ass....

I was being facetious, those days are long gone.


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[DevilDawg3097]

The further the departure from direct and constant control by the citizens, the less has the government of the ingredient of republicanism; evidently none where the authorities are hereditary... or self-chosen... and little, where for life, in proportion as the life continues in being after the act of election." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:20

"The hereditary branches of modern governments are the patrons of privilege and prerogative, and not of the natural rights of the people, whose oppressors they generally are." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1784. ME 4:218, Papers 7:106

"Hereditary bodies... always on the watch for their own aggrandizement, profit of every opportunity of advancing the privileges of their order, and encroaching on the rights of the people." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:483

"There is no King, who, with sufficient force, is not always ready to make himself absolute." --Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe, 1786. ME 5:398

"An hereditary aristocracy... will change the form of our governments from the best to the worst in the world. To know the mass of evil which flows from this fatal source, a person must be in France; he must see the finest soil, the finest climate, the most compact State, the most benevolent character of people, and every earthly advantage combined, insufficient to prevent this scourge from rendering existence a curse to twenty-four out of twenty-five parts of the inhabitants of this country." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1786. ME 6:3

"I was much an enemy of monarchies before I came to Europe. I am ten thousand times more so since I have seen what they are. There is scarcely an evil known in these countries which may not be traced to their king as its source, nor a good which is not derived from the small fibres of republicanism existing among them." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1788. ME 6:454

"Courts love the people always, as wolves do the sheep." --Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1789. ME 7:264

"The small and imperfect mixture of representative government in England, impeded as it is by other branches aristocratical and hereditary, shows yet the power of the representative principle towards improving the condition of man." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

"I do not flatter myself with the immortality of our governments; but I shall think little also of their longevity, unless this germ of destruction [i.e., the aristocratical spirit] be taken out." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1786. ME 6:

 

[DevilDawg3097]

one more tibit we tend to forget about:

The purpose of government is to enable the people of a nation to live in safety and happiness. Government exists for the interests of the governed, not for the governors. As Benjamin Franklin wrote, "In free governments the rulers are the servants and the people their superiors and sovereigns." The ultimate powers in a society, therefore, rest in the people themselves, and they should exercise those powers, either directly or through representatives, in every way they are competent and that is practicable.