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Stolen from another forum, this sheit pisses me off:

(CBS/AP) An Army officer who was born and raised in Honolulu is refusing to go with his unit to Iraq because he says the basis of the war is illegal and immoral.

First Lt. Ehren Watada, 27, is with the Stryker unit out of Fort Lewis, Wash. Watada is the son of former state Campaign Spending Commission Executive Director Bob Watada.

During a videotaped speech played at a press conference in Tacoma, Wash., Watada said, "My participation will make me party to war crimes."

"I feel that we have been lied to and betrayed by this administration," Watada said Tuesday in a telephone interview with the Seattle Times from Fort Lewis. "It is the duty, the obligation of every soldier, and specifically the officers, to evaluate the legality, the truth behind every order — including the order to go to war."

His attorney, Eric A. Seitz, says Watada submitted a letter to his command in January stating he had serious reservations about the Iraq war and felt he could not participate in it.

Seitz says a few months later, at the Army's suggestion, Watada resubmitted his request to resign.

"They took their time," says Seitz, "but then they informed him in early May that they were not going to let him resign."

Seitz said Watada, who turns 28 on Thursday, will hold a news conference Wednesday to explain his reasons for defying the Army.

According to KOMO-TV in Seattle, Watada wrote in a letter that he refuses to watch families torn apart while the president tells America to "stay the course." Watada's father, who is from Hawaii, says his son is taking a bold step and he is proud of him.

Joe Hitt, a civilian spokesman at Fort Lewis, an Army post about 40 miles south of Seattle, confirmed that Watada is a member of the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, the Army's first Stryker Brigade Combat Team. The unit held a deployment ceremony Friday and will begin leaving later this month for its second mission in Iraq.

Hitt said the Army is aware of Watada's plans but had no comment. "We have nothing to say about it because nothing has happened, and we're not going to speculate on anything," Hitt said.

Watada, a native of Honolulu, enlisted in the Army in 2003 after graduating from Hawaii Pacific University. He reported for boot camp in June of that year and began officer candidate school two months later.

Watada's commission requires that he serve as an active-duty Army officer for a three-year term ending Dec. 3, 2006.

"By his refusal to participate in the ongoing war, Lt. Watada joins a growing number of high-ranking military officers, West Point graduates and current and former members of the armed services who have expressed their opposition to the actions of the United States in Iraq," says Seitz.

Seitz says Watada could be court-martialed if he refuses to serve as ordered, unless the Army allows him to resign his commission or assigns him to duties that are not directly connected to the Iraq war.

The Seattle Times reports that Watada has reached out to peace groups, including clergy, students and some veterans opposed to Iraq. Some war critics are raising money for his legal defense as they seek to galvanize broader opposition to the Bush administration's Iraq policy.

Watada is not alone in refusing to go to Iraq. Sgt. Kevin Benderman, an Army mechanic among the enlisted ranks in Fort Lewis, is serving a 15-month sentence at a base correctional facility for refusing a second tour of duty in Iraq, according to the Seattle Times. Benderman served in Iraq in 2003 but refused to return in January 2005, the newspaper notes.

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When a person (now voluntarily) joins the military, he/she relinquish (give up) their right to make certain decisions. While I have very little experience in specific military matters, I do believe that there are still some very strict military codes pertinent to (stated simply) "following orders".

If this or any other soldier is in violation of military code relative to issues of subordination it's their own damn fault. I believe that they should have been sufficiently perspicatious to realize what duties/ events might require them to serve in combat and either opted out or enlisted specifically into an area of armed services that does not engage directly in the fighting.

This is a free country, yes. But once you enlist in the armed services, you relinquish many of those freedoms to the whims of your superiors. Even if many of them are morons.

SD
 
My question is, did this guy think he was joining the boy scouts.
 
Silent D said:
When a person (now voluntarily) joins the military, he/she relinquish (give up) their right to make certain decisions. While I have very little experience in specific military matters, I do believe that there are still some very strict military codes pertinent to (stated simply) "following orders".

If this or any other soldier is in violation of military code relative to issues of subordination it's their own damn fault. I believe that they should have been sufficiently perspicatious to realize what duties/ events might require them to serve in combat and either opted out or enlisted specifically into an area of armed services that does not engage directly in the fighting.

This is a free country, yes. But once you enlist in the armed services, you relinquish many of those freedoms to the whims of your superiors. Even if many of them are morons.

SD
Yes, this country is a free democracy, but the military which guards us is neither. It cannot be and carry out it's mission. Orders (lawful) are to be followed. While at times this can be a very fine line, this is not one of them. There is no question to the legality of the order to go to Iraq, like I said fuck him, lock his ass up in Leavenworth until he is long forgotten, then allow him to slink back into society as a nothing. Your word is your honor, when you have neither of these you are as useless as a kennedy.
 
Thats the problem with young people today, pride, morals, heritage , honor, and legacy, are non-existant in a large number, they think the government should give them a job, keep the up, basically take care of them for the rest of thier life. They dont have half the backbone of the men and women that enlist to actually support and defend thiscountry of ours. I think the men of his unit should take care of the problem.
 
I listened to this assholes 3 minute press release on the radio on the way home. What a gay douchbag. I say he is just a plain coward and should rot in the brig. Problem is the damn media will rally around this guy and make him a hero.

This really should be in the Offensive forum so I can really say what I feel.:mad:
 
Coward ass. He joined the military thinking he was going to do his time and get his discharge. I am one American that would die for his country, and I know I'm not the only one here that feels that way. Forget his punk ass. I doubt he'll get an honorable discharge so he'll even have trouble getting a job where he has to ask me, "would you like fries with that, sir?" That kind'a shit makes me sick. Being part of this country means you are subject to everything, good and bad. He sure enjoyed his freedom growing up in Hawaii, so what's the friggen deal now? Piss on him!
 
I would haul his ass out to an old chicken house, nail his nuts to the floor, hand him a knife, then light the chicken house on fire.
 
The soldier`s only obligation is to follow lawful orders.Without the chain of command structure and the rank and file following orders there is nothing but anarchy.

He needs to be courtmartialed,given an dishonerable discharge and serve his time in the brig until said time of discharge.

In laymens terms he is a coward and a disgrace to all the men and women who served and died for our country.
 
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ROKTMAN said:
The soldier`s only obligation is to follow lawful orders.Without the chain of command structure and the rank and file following orders there is nothing but anarchy.

He needs to be courtmartialed,given an dishonerable discharge and serve his time in the brig until said time of discharge.

In laymens terms he is a coward and a disgrace to all the men and women who served and died for our country.

Here, here........

SD
 
Just to stir the pot...I spent a lot of time in Viet Nam...I was very happy to have those who did not want to serve go to Canada...I was fortunate to have people under my command who were motivated, focused but few really wanted to be there. Having to deal with people like Lt. Wateda would have been very costly and possibly tragic in a combat environment. We should be happy that he bailed prior to being under fire, and in charge of troops engaged against an enemy force.

Just my opinion...opinions like sphincter muscles...everyone has one, some smell worse than others.
 
"By his refusal to participate in the ongoing war, Lt. Watada joins a growing number of high-ranking military officers, West Point graduates and current and former members of the armed services who have expressed their opposition to the actions of the United States in Iraq," says Seitz.

High Ranking?! LOL :dancing:
 
We always thought that Lt's first or second made wonderful sand bags to protect our postions...
 
Prof said:
We always thought that Lt's first or second made wonderful sand bags to protect our postions...
Maybe Lt Dan from Forest Gump!...LT DAN LT DAN!
 
Stinker said:
Thats the problem with young people today, pride, morals, heritage , honor, and legacy, are non-existant in a large number, they think the government should give them a job, keep the up, basically take care of them for the rest of thier life. They dont have half the backbone of the men and women that enlist to actually support and defend thiscountry of ours. I think the men of his unit should take care of the problem.

Hold on there Stink...This is not a young person of today issue

These cowardly crybaby bitches have been an issue in every major war.....

And there are 150,000 bad ass young people deployed right now that are honorable, brave, moral and worthy of are utmost respect....
 
Bone said:
High Ranking?! LOL :dancing:
Well Major it is just like those liberal ,left wing Nazi`s to get that wrong too.Looks like the Lt. would be cannon fodder on his first tour anywhoo.:shot:
 
Prof said:
Just to stir the pot...I spent a lot of time in Viet Nam...I was very happy to have those who did not want to serve go to Canada...I was fortunate to have people under my command who were motivated, focused but few really wanted to be there. Having to deal with people like Lt. Wateda would have been very costly and possibly tragic in a combat environment. We should be happy that he bailed prior to being under fire, and in charge of troops engaged against an enemy force.

Just my opinion...opinions like sphincter muscles...everyone has one, some smell worse than others.
I've got to respectfully disagree. I too spent some time under combat conditions, and this guy deserves whatever they can throw at him. Hell, send him to Iraq and let him work EOD. If he lives through it so be it, if he doesn't, oh well.
 

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