What is an American car?

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These Days Its Hard to Tell, and That Could Snag the Push to Save Detroit Auto Makers

Could there be a more American vehicle than a "Jeep Patriot?" Nothing on four wheels says American more proudly than Jeep, the rugged brand that helped America win World War II, and has ferried millions into our wild, Western spaces since.

Yes, in fact, there could be a more American SUV than a Jeep Patriot. A Toyota Sequoia would be one of them. The Sequoia is 80% "domestic" according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, while the Jeep Patriot is only 66%.

"Buy American" is back on the agenda in Washington. Congress is debating proposals to require that contractors on projects financed by the economic-recovery package buy "American" steel.

The Treasury has pumped billions into two of the three American car makers with head offices in and around Detroit, hoping to avoid a collapse of what industry and political leaders call the U.S. auto industry. There's lots of talk about the government supporting American efforts to develop electric cars and batteries, and some federal programs already established to do this.

When it comes to the car business, however, consumers and Congress and the Obama administration are going to confront a tricky question: Just what is an "American" car, or for that matter, an "American" car company?

Once you put down the flags and shut off all the television ads with their Heartland, apple-pie America imagery, the truth of the car business is that it transcends national boundaries. A car or truck sold by a "Detroit" auto maker such as GM, Ford or Chrysler could be less American -- as defined by the government's standards for "domestic content" -- than a car sold by Toyota, Honda or Nissan -- all of which have substantial assembly and components operations in the U.S.

Thomas Klier, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago who has studied extensively the realignment of the American auto industry, wrote in an October 2007 paper that as of 2006 about 25% of the parts used in vehicles assembled in the U.S. came from overseas, and another 25% were manufactured here by foreign-owned parts makers. The Detroit companies wave the Stars and Stripes when they advertise their wares or look for loans in Washington, but when they talk to investors or the business press, they stress their aggressive efforts to promote "global sourcing," a code for, "Buy More Parts from China and Mexico."

GM, the most global of the companies with headquarters in Detroit, has highlighted to investors that it now sells more cars (and has more employees) outside the U.S., and that its best opportunities for growth -- assuming the company's restructuring is successful -- are in China, Latin America and other developing markets.

Over the next several years, the nationality of the cars sold in America is likely to become harder to pin down. Ford intends to import to the U.S. market the European designs for its small and medium-sized cars. German auto maker Volkswagen is pushing ahead with plans to set up a U.S. assembly plant again. The BMW X5 sport utility (assembled in South Carolina) is more American than a Pontiac G8, which is an Australian import, like Oscar host Hugh Jackman.

For nearly 15 years, the U.S. government has required, under the American Automobile Labeling Act, that car makers disclose to consumers what share of the car's components are made in the U.S. or Canada -- another way of saying, made by people paid something comparable to U.S. wages. A 2001 study by NHTSA found that more than 75% of 646 people surveyed weren't aware of the existence of the domestic content information, and only 5% of those surveyed said the disclosures -- usually on a window sticker -- affected their decision "to any degree whatsoever." The NHTSA study also observed that "the introduction of AALA labels in model-year 1995 was not followed by a resurgence of U.S./Canadian parts content in the overall new vehicle fleet, but rather a modest decline from an average of 70 percent in model year 1995 to 67.6 percent in model year 1998."

The muddle about what constitutes an "American" car is evident in the fleet of cars I own. Depending on who's at home, you could find a Saturn, a Chevy, a Toyota and a Subaru crowded into my driveway. Of these, one was assembled in the U.S. (Extra credit in the accompanying quiz if you can guess which one.)

Meantime, spare some sympathy for the government officials trying to sort out where to invest the taxpayers' money to support the "U.S. auto industry."

Consider Chrysler LLC. During the 1980s and 1990s, Chrysler was the most flag-waving, red-white-and-blue American car company among Detroit's Big Three. Company Chairman Lee Iacocca was a clear, loud voice accusing Japan's government and auto makers of unfair trade practices. Never mind that Chrysler had a long-standing link to Japan's Mitsubishi Motors Corp. and sold various Mitsubishi cars. Then, Chrysler sold itself to Germany's Daimler-Benz AG to create DaimlerChrysler. Not long afterward, the new German owners installed a German executive to run what used to be Chrysler -- and began promoting German engineering as a valuable attribute of its cars.

Confused yet? It gets better. In 2007, Chrysler was reclaimed for America -- 80.1% of it at least -- by the U.S. hedge fund Cerberus Capital Management LP. But Chrysler has taken a pounding as the economy has gone south, and now Cerberus has reached a tentative agreement to peddle 35% of Chrysler to Italian auto maker Fiat SpA in return for access to Fiat's engine technology, small car designs and other technology. Fiat might also use a Chrysler factory to build cars for the U.S. market and sell its brands through Chrysler dealers. But Fiat isn't proposing to put any cash into Chrysler. Should this deal be consummated -- and that's by no means certain -- Chrysler would once again be majority owned by corporations located outside the U.S.

So what should you buy if you want to buy a truly American-made car? For the 2008 model year, the government says the Ford Crown Victoria has the highest percentage of U.S./Canada content at 90%.

The only hitch: It's assembled in Canada.

(Answer: The Camry)

Build It or Bag It results

The small, green city cars shown by luxury brands Mercedes-Benz and Lincoln were not a hit with Eyes on the Road readers in the annual "Build It or Bag It" column last week. The Lincoln Concept C garnered 4,800 negative votes, more than 70%, while the Mercedes Concept BlueZero drew "Bag It" votes from 57% of readers who participated.

The sporty diesel-powered convertible from VW drew a thumbs-up from 61% of voters, while Chrysler might want to hurry its 200C concept to market as it struggles to survive. More than 62% of voters said "Build It."

The Cadillac Converj extended-range electric vehicle drew the most positive response from readers, with 4,459 "Build It" votes or 70%.

It remains to be seen if auto makers will heed our advice for their future vehicles.
 
Very true about how do you define an American car. My company policy use to be no foreign company cars. At the time that was no Honda's, Toyotas, Nissans, etc. After buying my first Dodge Ram and realizing it came from Mexico I started really looking into where the cars in the fleet actually came from. The final result of all that is that any car make is fair game, as long as it's not a Chevy. Chevy screwed me on a Corvette that was a lemon, the dealer who the company had bought I don't know how many vehicles from wouldn't go to bat for me, so I swore them and Chevy off forever.

I still try to support companies that I feel keep most of their profits in this country but it is getting harder to draw the line. I do feel their pain, the tax structure in this country as well as regulation, unions, lawsuits, etc make it hard to be a US manufacturer and still turn a profit. Business owners/investors will do what they have to in order to make money, sometimes moving to a more favorable climate is the best/last/only option.
 
Thanks for this Bob, you hit the nail on the head:rock:
I spent 15 years working for Chrysler Corp., DaimlerChrysler, and then Chrysler LLC. I bought the whole deal hook line and sinker.:mad: Then I get a fricken email telling me to either take a buy-out or risk layoff with nothing.

I have now started working for an Asian auto maker in Georgia. So far it's been a good job, but I never wanted to leave my love.:bawling:
My 2 cents
 
I will always support Chrysler, GM, and Ford. More people in this country are employed by them, than any other car company.

Bill.
 
Begood said:
I will always support Chrysler, GM, and Ford. More people in this country are employed by them, than any other car company.

Bill.
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My Z is the best fkn car I've ever owned.....

I'm an American and damned proud of it, but if the auto companies or the makers of Kellogg's fkn Corn flakes can't make a good and reliable product at a decent, comparative price, then they don't belong in a fair market economy. The market will rebel during trying economic times and let businesses know when they've grown all too fat and sassy.....

This is one of those times.....

The market will have to adjust... The fat will have to be trimmed. And many of the assholes at the top of the food chain will lose their $50,000,000 a year annual salaries......

This country's executives have been living fat on gross revenues being conveniently swept into their porfolios while the working people of this country take it right up the asshole.....

I'm not saying that smart businessmen shouldn't be rewarded for their financial skill or business acumen.. I'm saying that these fkrs have taken advantage of a good thing.... in every sphere of American business. And these are their chickens come home to roost....

Madoff should be stripped naked, torn to little tiny pieces and eaten alive by savage, hungry lions... In fact, that'd be some damn fine entertainment as the half time show for the Super Bowl.....

D
 
I will be first in line when Toyota builds a 1 ton pick up, I am sick and tired of buying Fords (between my dad and me we have had I think around 15 ford f-350's since 2001) They have been all shit since 2003. My dodge Cummings was alright but nothing compared to the fit and finish of the Toyota pick ups. I will still always love the 10, viper, vette, cobra. But for a work truck I am tired of paying 1k a month for a piece of shit.
 
trubuilt said:
I will be first in line when Toyota builds a 1 ton pick up, I am sick and tired of buying Fords (between my dad and me we have had I think around 15 ford f-350's since 2001) They have been all shit since 2003. My dodge Cummings was alright but nothing compared to the fit and finish of the Toyota pick ups. I will still always love the 10, viper, vette, cobra. But for a work truck I am tired of paying 1k a month for a piece of shit.
My dad has an 06 tacoma, and the fit and finish on that is friggin horrible.
 
GADodgetech said:
My dad has an 06 tacoma, and the fit and finish on that is friggin horrible.
I drove a 07 tundra on the weekend and it was light years ahead of any of the one tons that I have owned or driven.
 
trubuilt said:
I drove a 07 tundra on the weekend and it was light years ahead of any of the one tons that I have owned or driven.
Transmissions are shit in the tundra, I dont know how well toyota can build a 1 ton truck.
 
trubuilt, the engine didn't sound "ricey" to you? I thought I wanted one until I drove it (before I drove a hemi...course I couldn't settle so I bought the 10 LOL).

Don't get me wrong it had alot of nice features but when it came to the stuff between the front fenders.....it just didn't equal a Dodge.
 
5_0_BAIT said:
trubuilt, the engine didn't sound "ricey" to you? I thought I wanted one until I drove it (before I drove a hemi...course I couldn't settle so I bought the 10 LOL).

Don't get me wrong it had allot of nice features but when it came to the stuff between the front fenders.....it just didn't equal a Dodge.
I just don't like the American manufactures way of doing things.
My last two fords have had the same problems at the same mileage. My dad has a 08 F350 and now his moldings are falling off(mine have fallen off twice) These things in Canada have a MSRP of 74000 They just are not worth what they bring to the table.
For a WORK truck I don't care if it has all the power or sounds ricey. I just want a truck that will RUN when I want it to. For a toy I want what I have (or a 06 Viper Blue with white stripes)
The Tundra I drove was quick, easy to drive for the first time, brakes seemed good nothing was falling off of it, it did not rattle shake or drift.
I don't think Toyota will make a one ton any day soon and I will after this work truck will end up with a pre-emissions 3500 dodge cummings, they seem to be the best choice of the 3.
 
trubuilt said:
I just don't like the American manufactures way of doing things.
My last two fords have had the same problems at the same mileage. My dad has a 08 F350 and now his moldings are falling off(mine have fallen off twice) These things in Canada have a MSRP of 74000 They just are not worth what they bring to the table.
For a WORK truck I don't care if it has all the power or sounds ricey. I just want a truck that will RUN when I want it to. For a toy I want what I have (or a 06 Viper Blue with white stripes)
The Tundra I drove was quick, easy to drive for the first time, brakes seemed good nothing was falling off of it, it did not rattle shake or drift.
I don't think Toyota will make a one ton any day soon and I will after this work truck will end up with a pre-emissions 3500 dodge cummings, they seem to be the best choice of the 3.
Cant go wrong with the 5.9 cummins.
 
Good read Bob...thought I would include a pic of an American Car....;) :D

1970-Plymouth-Hemi-Cuda-o-fa-sy.jpg
 

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