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[1Fast400]

People can have their personal opinions, we're all entitled to them. However, I won't sit idle while people call me a liar. I believe the quality of a message board begins to suffer when friendships are forged that become more important than the information shared. People begin to grow bias and blinded by their friendships. They'll support their "bro", even when they are in the wrong. I personally think message boards should be without names/avatar's, just a sharing of information. I learned a lot from this board. These trucks are very bastardized from the factory. There are countless threads that saved me a lot of time and headache, because I was able to learn from others experiences. Tomorrow afternoon, I'll be posting a lengthy post about the oil pump issue with these motors and what can be done to prevent it from happening to someone else. Why will I make the post? While I might not like some members of this board, I would hate to see anyone put as much time/money as I have into their truck and the same happen to them, especially when it can be prevented at a minimal cost. While there are people like Stinker/NowWhat/Silver that want me gone, I have PM's from other members saying the opposite. You can't be universally liked, just not going to happen. I'll continue to post worthwhile info as long as I have my truck. I'll help anyone that emails/pm's me, as I always have. I won't sit idle while people attack me. Look at yourself, you jumped into this thread, as did nowwhat for the sole purpose of starting a fight. All because you made it personal. The funny part, previous to me posting the video/time slip I'm sure you considered zex/nowwhat/blake as having the fastest truck. Their proof was good enough, eventhough none of the 3 has posted video of their run. I post video and a time slip and it isn't enough. It makes me laugh.

 

[JRSVIPR]

I am a man of few words, So listen closely. You are a self centered fucker that can not let shit go. Step off.


J.R.

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just tired of your full page bullshit. Get over it.

J.R.

 

[Silverback]

I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just tired of your full page bullshit. Get over it.

J.R.

Actually he called me a liar first by stating that a rear end could not be built for around $2000.00 because he did not do it for that amount.

So Mike, what do you have to say about that?:dontknow:

 

[1Fast400]

Pretty simple, the rearend you quoted vs the rearend I built are different. You can upgrade certain components and save money. You can't build a duplicate of my rearend for 2,000. The parts alone cost more than that and I didn't buy my parts at retail. I'm curious, how many of these have you built? Your post simply said it was an "estimation" of costs, so he's never built it. Is the detroit locker he uses work with the ABS? What about an emergency brake cable? What about upgraded wheel studs? Are you not going to upgrade the gear? If you don't, you'll round the teeth off once you hook up. Makes for great noise when driving down the road. What type of brakes are going on? I used wilwood. Is he using a stock replacement bearing kit or did he upgrade it? Has he ever setup one of these rears? The carriers for this rearend aren't a 5 series nor a 3 series. That's why other people had so many issues when swaping ratio's.

I referenced this post by you for what was included in your "2 grand" quote: http://www.vtcoa.com/forums/showpost.php?p=60760&postcount=36

I doubt he can even build the rearend he quoted for 2,000. I personally would rather do it right the first time and not have to go back and do it again.

 

[Silverback]

Pretty simple, the rearend you quoted vs the rearend I built are different. You can upgrade certain components and save money. You can't build a duplicate of my rearend for 2,000. The parts alone cost more than that and I didn't buy my parts at retail. I'm curious, how many of these have you built? Your post simply said it was an "estimation" of costs, so he's never built it. Is the detroit locker he uses work with the ABS? What about an emergency brake cable? What about upgraded wheel studs? Are you not going to upgrade the gear? If you don't, you'll round the teeth off once you hook up. Makes for great noise when driving down the road. What type of brakes are going on? I used wilwood. Is he using a stock replacement bearing kit or did he upgrade it? Has he ever setup one of these rears? The carriers for this rearend aren't a 5 series nor a 3 series. That's why other people had so many issues when swaping ratio's.

I referenced this post by you for what was included in your "2 grand" quote: http://www.vtcoa.com/forums/showpost.php?p=60760&postcount=36

I doubt he can even build the rearend he quoted for 2,000. I personally would rather do it right the first time and not have to go back and do it again.

Believe what you want. This man has more integrity in his little finger than you possess in your entire body.

 

[1Fast400]

I hope this serves as an example to everyone. Silver wants to turn everything personal. He asked me to prove the 2,000 dollar rearend difference. I give specific facts addressing exactly why there is a difference in cost. Rather than address ANY of the specific questions I put forth, he simply reverts back to a personal attack. This is what you do when you have no factual ground to stand on. He says: "Believe what you want". I'm asking some very specific questions, but he can't answer them. He hasn't built one of these rearends so he doesn't know everything involved in doing it. He got 80% of it, I personally don't want a dana built 80% of the way.

Why don't you try addressing the questions I asked Silver?

 

[Silverback]

I hope this serves as an example to everyone. Silver wants to turn everything personal. He asked me to prove the 2,000 dollar rearend difference. I give specific facts addressing exactly why there is a difference in cost. Rather than address ANY of the specific questions I put forth, he simply reverts back to a personal attack. This is what you do when you have no factual ground to stand on. He says: "Believe what you want". I'm asking some very specific questions, but he can't answer them. He hasn't built one of these rearends so he doesn't know everything involved in doing it. He got 80% of it, I personally don't want a dana built 80% of the way.

Why don't you try addressing the questions I asked Silver?

You posted the thread.

Okay gentlemen, here is what I found out. Without actually having a housing in hand to look at he estimated $2000.00 plus tax. Bill estimated a little on the high side so that he would be covered if he ran into any unforeseen issues.

Now for what you get for your money.
New 35 spline axles and bearings.
New backing plates, rotors, calipers and brake hoses.
New Detroit Locker.
New ends welded on the housing to accept the new backing plates/bearings.
Assembly of the new components.

The backing plates are from a Ford, as the HEMI rearend is also a C-Clip rearend and the backing plates/rotors/etc. would not solve the problem. The rotors are 11.25 diameter. These would be a little on the small side for the weight of our trucks, but the option would exist to upgrade to aftermarket brake parts.

You would ship him a housing with only the pinion and yoke in place, along with the ring gear. The housing would have to be steam cleaned prior to shipment.

Here is Bill's website with address and phone number. I have known Bill for a number of years now, and his work is absolutely miticulous. You will not be disappointed in his craftsmanship or quality.

He knows me as John, not Silverback. Remember that if you call him.

Damn, almost forgot something. He would need the measurement from left to right axle flange. He would maintain this dimension unless you specified differently.


What part of that was confusing to you?

I guess I should have added that the axles are from Moser.

 

[1Fast400]

Since you are to lazy to read the previous post, I'll make it easy for you:

1: Is the detroit locker he uses work with the ABS?
2: What about an emergency brake cable?
3: What about upgraded wheel studs?
4: Are you not going to upgrade the gear? If you don't, you'll round the teeth off once you hook up. Makes for great noise when driving down the road.

5: What type of brakes are going on?
6: Is he using a stock replacement bearing kit or did he upgrade it?
7: Has he ever setup one of these rears? The carriers for this rearend aren't a 5 series nor a 3 series. That's why other people had so many issues when swaping ratio's.

These are important questions. People might not know that their ABS won't work, they won't have an emergency brake cable, they'll still be on stock wheel studs and they are going to round the teeth off the gear when they hook it up. Which will make a horrific noise inside the truck. My build addressed those issues, which is why you can't build it for 2,000.

 

[Silverback]

I'm not even going to bother with this anylonger Mike. It won't matter what I say, no one will ever be as good as you or have the things you have. You're the best, and have the best. Hope you are happy now.

So you can take this as a victory and boost up your already inflated ego.

 

[1Fast400]

Totally typical. You have jumped me on this rearend issue for months. Now that I lay out specific questions (which you can't answer), you resort to personal attacks. In the end, had someone believed what you said and built the rearend as you quoted it, they would have some serious issues. Has anybody put a detroit locker in one of these things yet? A 5 series will be to tall and a 3 series will be to short. I'm just curious how it's going to be setup. Big difference in quoting something, under the assumption it's a typical dana 60 in which case it could be done for 2k easily vs this rearend, which isn't the same.

 

[Silverback]

Since you are to lazy to read the previous post, I'll make it easy for you:

1: Is the detroit locker he uses work with the ABS?

I honestly don't know as I did not ask this question.

2: What about an emergency brake cable?

Not an issue. The brake assembly he was using had the emergency brake drum in the rotor.

3: What about upgraded wheel studs?

He was going to use Moser axles. The pattern and studs were up to the person that ordered the rear end.

4: Are you not going to upgrade the gear? If you don't, you'll round the teeth off once you hook up. Makes for great noise when driving down the road.

He was installing the original gears

5: What type of brakes are going on?

Read what I wrote. I said they were from a Ford

6: Is he using a stock replacement bearing kit or did he upgrade it?

The bearings match the new ends and retainers.
7: Has he ever setup one of these rears? The carriers for this rearend aren't a 5 series nor a 3 series. That's why other people had so many issues when swaping ratio's.

Yes, he has set up a number of rear ends. If you had bothered to look at his site you would have been able to figure that out on your own.

These are important questions. People might not know that their ABS won't work, they won't have an emergency brake cable, they'll still be on stock wheel studs and they are going to round the teeth off the gear when they hook it up. Which will make a horrific noise inside the truck. My build addressed those issues, which is why you can't build it for 2,000.

I don't even know why I bothered.

 

[mopower1958]

Well I am not taking sides but having been at the drag races since I was 7 years old,and having made over 1200 passes on a drag strip I have come to a conclusion. An 11.01 beats an 11.31 or 11.47 etc. There will always be excuses,whining and crying about "my truck spun,or my nitrous wasn't working right,or it was hot that day,or the density altitude was 15,000 feet" Trying to make a truck fast takes deep pockets,if you can't run with the big boys quit whining and moaning and spend more money!!! All the horsepower in the world won't make a truck fast, it takes a chassis to deliver the power to the track. Mike has elevated the bar to an 11.01@126 mph. Can anyone raise the bar again? I am not even going to try, I like the driveability of my truck, I have very shallow pockets, and I bought an old MOPAR to hotrod. Now go out there and find a track close to sea level with cool air and good track prep and quit making excuses!

 

[1Fast400]

I'm so glad you did. Just to let you know, the detroit locker doesn't have the ABS. I seriously doubt now that you can even use the detroit locker in this setup. I don't think it has been done. You can't use the stock ring gear, not going to work on the track. You still don't get it about this rearend. It's not a typical dana 60. If you're going to use this housing, with the correct carrier (instead of building a totally new rearend and just shoving it in), it doesn't setup like a typical dana. That's why I don't think you can use a detroit locker, because it comes as a 5 series or 3 series. A 5 series is used for 4.56+ and a 3 series is for 4.10-. They are different heights. The carrier used in this rearend is neither. So when he goes to set it up, it won't work.

But what do I know, I'm the only one that has actually built one.

 

[1Fast400]

Don't worry Mo, the force will be restored shortly once blake gets his new rearend. He'll hook up with a real set of tires and haul ass. He'll set the new bar and everyone here will be happy .

 

[sleeper]

Don't worry Mo, the force will be restored shortly once blake gets his new rearend. He'll hook up with a real set of tires and haul ass. He'll set the new bar and everyone here will be happy .

Are you and your dad building Blake a rear.:dontknow: :burnout:

 

[1Fast400]

Yup, ordered the parts last week and will them near the start of this week. Will have it enroute to him by end of the week. I just have to give him the rims/tire info that I have. When that monster hooks up, it's going to be scary.

 

[sleeper]

Actually he called me a liar first by stating that a rear end could not be built for around $2000.00 because he did not do it for that amount.

So Mike, what do you have to say about that?:dontknow:

WTF? are you guys fighting over $500 difference in price. Mike told you the difference in parts. I don't get it Silver what are you trying to prove?:dontknow: I built a 10 bolt posi for my el camino 15 years ago and it almost cost $2000.

 

[UNIBOY]

WTF? are you guys fighting over $500 difference in price. Mike told you the difference in parts. I don't get it Silver what are you trying to prove?:dontknow: I built a 10 bolt posi for my el camino 15 years ago and it almost cost $2000.

Hey Sleeper,
Silverback only said that a rearend can be built for $2000 and 1fast called BS and thats how it started. And it is not a $500 difference cause 1fast rearend is $2500 only for parts not including labor. So make an assumption how much he is charging Blake for labor.

 

[sleeper]

Hey Sleeper,
Silverback only said that a rearend can be built for $2000 and 1fast called BS and thats how it started. And it is not a $500 difference cause 1fast rearend is $2500 only for parts not including labor. So make an assumption how much he is charging Blake for labor.

:dontknow: OK I didn't know that 1fasts rear didn't include labor. So how much for the rear with labor 1fast?

 

[1Fast400]

I charged blake 3k.