Cai's and your ram air scoop

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This was done way back,by one of the forums engineers Silverback, and sorry the pics are what they are, I can only download them as they are

The scoop actually is more of a vent than a inlet, , but I am sure this will start tons of discussions on the subject once again;)

Ram Air Test Results

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Okay Ladies and Gentlemen, here are the results of the Ram Air flow tests that Shawn ran for the group.

First off I want to once again thank Shawn and his friends for taking the time to do this for the group, it’s greatly appreciated.

This is the data that was supplied to me. I’m only going to re-type the pertinent data as Temperature, Humidity, etc. are not really important to the outcome.

4th Gear FPM FPM
MPH Throttle Open Throttle Closed

35 1600 1500

45 1800 1700

55 2150 2000

65 2400 2350

75 2450 2400


Okay, that’s the data. Now we will convert the test speed MPH to Feet per Minute (FPM)

35MPH = 3080FPM

45MPH = 3960FPM

55MPH = 4840FPM

65MPH = 5720FPM

75MPH = 6600FPM

You will notice at this point that at all test speeds, the Throttle Open FPM’s do not come close to the test speed FPM’s. The following data is the percentages of Throttle Open v/s Test Speeds

35MPH – 1600/3080 = 52.0%

45MPH – 1800/3960 = 45.5%

55MPH – 2150/4840 = 44.4%

65MPH – 2400/5720 = 42.0%

75MPH – 2450/6600 = 37.1%

What this is showing is that the faster you go, the less Ram Air effect you have. Also the delta air flows between Throttle Open and Throttle Closed are minimal, and with the exception of the 55MPH data, indicate that the engine is drawing more air from the grill intake portion of the system as speed increased.

Shawn attempted a number of times to post the video he sent me. Needless to say I’m terminally stupid when it comes to computers, so I cannot do this either. However after viewing the video it supports the findings above. The ribbons attached around the intake area of the hood are shown to be lifting off of the hood surface. This indicates that the air is rising off this area and going over the hood scoop, not into it.

Does it hurt or help performance?

All I can do here is give my opinion. I do not believe it does either. The data shows that the delta (change in flow) is minimal between open and closed throttle. Since the engine still performs adaquately I have to assume it is not at a loss of air so performance is not hindered.

I do have to add one comment here. It may have an effect on cooling the engine bay. Testing would have to be done to verify that, but I do remember on person noticed that his started running hotter after the scoop installation.


Is there a speed at which it robs air from the engine?

I don't know. The data showed that the percentages were dropping as the speed increased. I'm not an aerodynamic engineer, but I would be willing to bet that at some speed it would reach a point where the percent ratio would stabilize and further drops would be minimal.

Clearly our hood scoop was designed as an engine bay vent, air entering the engine does not pass through this opening. It would be this engineers estimate that the "scoop" is not in the airstream (which is some distance above the boundry layer, flowing over the hood). A restriction of this vent will increase engine compartment temps affecting intake charge temp through conduction from the intake manifold. (I would in fact expect airflow to exit this duct at certain speeds). The best practical solution would be to devise a cold air pickup sealed to the front of the grill with a nozzle.
Basically any uncovered CAI that is under the hood is actually drawing in hot air, thus increasing the iat's instead of reducing them, the oem air box or incorporating a system to draw in air from the frontal area of the grill and not the hood is the best way to actually drop iats, and increase hp, most others will actually hurt more than help hp


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I can say I live in one of the hottest states in the country and my underhood temps never changed even a lil. We are talking when it's been over 110* and I was still a cool 185*. I do agree on the hood being more of a vent, but think it was just made for cosmetic appearance IMO. Had to be set apart from a normal Ram.

Now, with that being said, the hood you designed that I have on my truck does indeed change the aero of the truck and could possibly invite air into the scoop, but I need to buy some ribbon and see. I have looked into simple wind velocity meters to check different area similar to Silverback's experiment to see if I can pick up cowl air similar to the old 60's cars. Cowl Induction is proven in Wind Tunnels.:dontknow:
SO much to experiment and R&D and so lil time.:(
 
I agree, I dont think its there for any other purpose then looks.. Period.. If it was im sure there would be more to the under side of the hood.


If you look at the Transam with Ram air there is special ducting under the hood to get rid of the water and inject the air to the intake.. etc..

strictly looks.
 
Tony why are you digging this up man you know a shit storm is going to follow...

On that note. I think dodge didnt use the hood as a ram air factory so they could sell an $800 CAI that makes it functional.
 
There's lots of info on our hoods that the scoop was designed and I believe wind tunneled ,it is designed to pull heat OUT of the engine bay not ram air in, like posted above the scoop is too far back to force air in.
 
This ? has come up in several threads over the years. I know several have tried to make a true Ram air..


Has anyone tested Tony's Venom hood ? ??

Has anyone come up with a TRUE Ram Air system that routes outside air into the engine ??? That also has a good look .
 
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Has anyone tested Tony's Venom hood ? ??

Has anyone come up with a TRUE Ram Air system that routes outside air into the engine ??? That also has a good look .

Someone was talking about one awhile back, using a fog light hole and piping it into air box!:dontknow:
 
Tony why are you digging this up man you know a shit storm is going to follow...

On that note. I think dodge didnt use the hood as a ram air factory so they could sell an $800 CAI that makes it functional.

I like stiring up sh$t LOLOLOL

but we did wind tunnel test our hoods:D


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Someone was talking about one awhile back, using a fog light hole and piping it into air box!:dontknow:

Several , I believe several have already done that.... Dom was 1 of them. Others have used the make shift headlight opening,, Some used PVC pipe ----All kinds of Ideas have been tried....I belie TNViper was working on one not to long ago but never completed it as far as I know...
 
I was also told that it was for heat loss only.

didn't someone also do a dyno on the volant CAI and the truck lost power ? think it was -9 HP.
 
The Ram SRT-10 had a unique hood that featured a wide power bulge and hood scoop. The hood scoop allowed cool air to enter as well as forcing hot air to exit from the engine bay, thus helping the engine to run cooler


thats from wiki.
 
The Ram SRT-10 had a unique hood that featured a wide power bulge and hood scoop. The hood scoop allowed cool air to enter as well as forcing hot air to exit from the engine bay, thus helping the engine to run cooler


thats from wiki.

wiki isnt as smart as toni:aetsch:
 
The Ram SRT-10 had a unique hood that featured a wide power bulge and hood scoop. The hood scoop allowed cool air to enter as well as forcing hot air to exit from the engine bay, thus helping the engine to run cooler


thats from wiki.

Anyone can add to a wiki. I can go put that the SRT10 came in pink.
 
I would also like to know how your hood "performs" compared to a stocker, Tony.
 

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