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going back to the track tomorrow (bristol dragway) .. do you guys think it worth me running my truck empty so i can fuel up with some 110 octane race fuel at the track? its $8 a gallon and i was just wondering if you guys have ever done it and if it made a difference
 
I have never done it, but I would be interested to see if it makes a difference for you.
 
yea i think im gonna all i need is bout 3 gallon...i will let you guys know if i can feel a change in the way she runs
 
3-4 gallons should make a small difference, but we aren't really running a high enough compression ratio unless boosted, spraying or built NA engine to take advantage of the fast burn of race fuel. MAKE ABSOLUTE SURE YOU RUN UNLEADED RACE FUEL AND NOT LEADED!!!!! IT will kill your O2s instantly:D

Have fun and good luck!
 
my gas light will be on when i get there so i will be nearly empty so it will be nothing but race fule in the tank
 
That may hurt your traction a little bit due to the lower weight near the rear of the vehicle.
 
Like venomous said it'll will actual hurt you more than help you a month ago I did a few runs and thought about doing it and my mechanic said look forward to some costly repairs so I didn't do it he said race fuel and octane boosters are harmful to our trucks
 
Like venomous said it'll will actual hurt you more than help you a month ago I did a few runs and thought about doing it and my mechanic said look forward to some costly repairs so I didn't do it he said race fuel and octane boosters are harmful to our trucks

Not saying it will hurt by any means, unless it's leaded and it will coat the O2 sensors rendering their readings erratic. They are not HARMFUL per say. A good race fuel is more insurance against detonation when running alot of timing or high compression or both.:burnout:
 
to take advantage of the fast burn of race fuel

You mean slow burn race fuel, correct? ;)

That may hurt your traction a little bit due to the lower weight near the rear of the vehicle.

This is a fallacy. 45% of our trucks weight is over the rear wheels. The +/- 150 pounds of fuel is worth losing. If it wasn't Trainman wouldn't remove his rear tailgate.
 
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You mean slow burn race fuel, correct? ;)


This is a fallacy. 45% of our trucks weight is over the rear wheels. The +/- 150 pounds of fuel is worth losing. If it wasn't Trainman wouldn't remove his rear tailgate.



NO it actually burns faster and thats what's needed as the higher RPMs need the fuel to burn faster rather than be blown out the exhaust making no power.
 
This is a fallacy. 45% of our trucks weight is over the rear wheels. The +/- 150 pounds of fuel is worth losing. If it wasn't Trainman wouldn't remove his rear tailgate.

I'm just going by my personal experience on street tires with stock suspension. If I was on a set up chassis with DRs or slicks I would lose all the weight possible because I would have proper weight transfer with a sticky enough tire to compensate for it. I just found that any weight loss from the rear resulted in easier tire spin. :D
 
If you are not tuned for the higher OCT I don't think there is any gains. Just be sure to bring a gas can with 93, so you can put some back in to make it to a gas station when you leave.
 
I'm tuned only point I'm making is look at the diff between 87 to 93. So a jump to 110 should be noticeable ..it's like saying you have to be tuned for nitrous....
 
$8/gallon HOLY S$%^!

Hey, did you know that this is currently the price we pay standard at our gas stations in Germany ?

Thats why everybody thinks that SRT drivers must be really crazy over here to drive such a gas sucker :D

But they all dont understand the fun that comes with such a truck :elefant:
 
Hey, did you know that this is currently the price we pay standard at our gas stations in Germany ?

Thats why everybody thinks that SRT drivers must be really crazy over here to drive such a gas sucker :D

But they all dont understand the fun that comes with such a truck :elefant:

Feel sorry for u guys oil industry is so corrupt
 
We dont give a sh.... !

Our standard is 95 octane and 100 octane.

So we are almost on race fuel level :D

All the best for your track day
 
You mean slow burn race fuel, correct? ;)





I agree with Caveman. The higher the octane the slower the burn. :rock:

Here's a quote from my quick search of the internet,lol.
Octane is the ability of the fuels ability to resist detonation. Higher octane WILL burn faster based on it's properties. Hell Nitromethane will evaporate into the air it burns so fast as well as having an explosive personality.:D
Wasted fuel past the compression stroke is simply power that could be made if the burn was correct for the application. Compression ratios, Combustion chamber design and efficiency all contribute to how the fuel will burn.


":Listed below are the four basic qualities of fuels. As in everything, there are trade-offs. You can't make a racing fuel that has the best of everything, but you can produce one that will give your engine the most power. This is why VP produces different fuels for different applications. The key to getting the best racing gasoline is not necessarily buying the fuel with the highest octane, but getting one that is best suited for your engine.

1. OCTANE: This does nothing more than rate a fuel's ability to resist detonation and/or preignition. Octane is rated in Research Octane Numbers, (RON); Motor Octane Numbers, (MON); and Pump Octane Numbers (R+M/2). Pump Octane Numbers are what you see on the yellow decal at gas stations, representing the average of the fuel's MON and RON. VP uses MON because this test method more accurately simulates racing conditions. The conditions under which fuels are tested using the RON method are not as demanding, thus the number is normally higher than the MON rating. This leads many other fuel companies to rate their fuels using the RON in an effort to make them appear more resistant to detonation. Don't be fooled by high RON numbers or an average -- MONs are the most relevant ratings for a racing application. Be aware, however, the ability of fuel to resist detonation is a function of more than just octane.

2. BURNING SPEED: This is the speed at which fuel releases its energy. At high RPMs, there is very little time (real time - not crank rotation) for fuel to release its energy. Peak cylinder pressure should occur around 20° ATDC. If the fuel is still burning after this, it is not contributing to peak cylinder pressure (which is what the rear wheels see).

3. ENERGY VALUE: An expression of the potential energy in the fuel. The energy value is measured in BTUs per pound, not per gallon. The difference is important. The air:fuel ratio is expressed in weight, not volume. Generally speaking, VP's fuels measure high BTUs per pound and thus, have a higher energy value. This higher energy value will have a positive impact on horsepower at any compression ratio or engine speed.

4. COOLING EFFECT: The cooling effect on fuel is related to the heat of vaporization. The higher a fuel's heat of vaporization, the better its ability to cool the intake mixture. A better cooling effect can generate some horsepower gains in 4-stroke engines, and even bigger gains in 2-stroke engines."

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