crazynaclh20
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Rolled across the scale at 4900 with me in it.
727 tans swap
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ARRESTmeRed04
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High 10's would make me happy, my truck now is about 4500 with me in it in race trim, about 4700 with the street tires so perhaps the 727 would stand up to it. What kinda power were you putting down when running the high 10's?
ARRESTmeRed04
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Check out the power shift thread, we timed my shifts, which weren't really all that great at .230-.251 per shift. The auto in my wife's 300srt8 was .09 per shift
VENOMOUS1 RACING
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Hmmm...not sure in the .09, maybe .9? I tune GMs and factory shift solonoid speed is set to .850 on Vettes, Camaros,and TAs. When I tune them I generally drop the time to .250 -..400 which is twice as fast a shift as factory.
RagunCajun
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You shift very well, dont let the .2 blah blah of a second tell you that you should want an auto. Comparison was done from youtube videos for gods sake. Regardless, it's obvious a built auto is quicker than a manual transmission. Some of us rather sacrifice a little e/t to have fun down the track.
If you are tired of the shifting, by all means go auto. It's not for everyone. I can accept that. I guess guys like Venomous and I come from an auto only world and had to go through hell to row.
IMO, with a set of heads/cams, you'd be in the 10's on motor for sure if you can 60' the thing as you do now. You can also spray the thing which is FAR cheaper than the heads/cams available to you guys. Figure the cost of going to a built auto, dialing it in, suspension etc, and you can make your current t56 combo more deadly.
You are one of the quickest RC's on the forum. IMO the fastest RC that doesnt take apart the entire truck for a track visit who hits the track a lot from what i see.
Good luck with your choice sir. But please dont do it just to be quicker, you can do it with more power.
Hmmm...not sure in the .09, maybe .9? I tune GMs and factory shift solonoid speed is set to .850 on Vettes, Camaros,and TAs. When I tune them I generally drop the time to .250 -..400 which is twice as fast a shift as factory.
Nope. I'm not saying my measurements are laser accurate, because they sure aren't. But 100 milliseconds is not at all uncommon for an automatic transmission. Really fast auto's shift more than twice that fast.
I totally agree with this. My measurements were done just for fun. And even if they were 100% accurate (and I'm 100% sure they aren't
) there are many more things to consider regarding ET's. For example, who's to say an automatic won't use more power than a stick? In my experience, the stick always put more to the ground. Also, the truck is going to behave differently with an automatic. Just ask VENOMOUS if his truck launched differently moving from the auto to the stick. Not to mention picking out the correct converter is a science all unto itself. Lastly, your truck rocks as it is. Spend the money on ladder bars, then more power. Automatics are for chicks
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I'm glad you didnt take that the wrong way. Well done ^
ARRESTmeRed04
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I'll save the auto swap for last. If I can run high 10's with the 6speed then I'll probably just keep it.
Nah Bro, we are all here for the same things:
1.) Make fun of Viperhauler.
2.) Enjoy our trucks.
Running high 10's with a stick is cooler than running 9's with an automatic, IMO. And you bang the gears well, so I say don't change it.
None of us would build 4500-5000 pound trucks if our goal was to go as quick as possible. Our goal is to take the trucks that we rally like and make them go fast. The 6 speed is part of what made you like the truck in the first place, so don't change it.
Now go build some ladder bars, so I can copy them!
Now go build some ladder bars, so I can copy them!
Yeah, yeah, do that. Send me the specs when you're done
ARRESTmeRed04
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Yeah, yeah, do that. Send me the specs when you're done
Should be done by Oct, won't be a bolt on deal though it'll ended up needing ti be welded
crazynaclh20
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I couldn't agree with that last comment more. I ended up taking down my drag truck because of a major oversight that ended up with me starting over. I chose to go with a RC stick this time because it's way more interactive down the track. Sure you might be a bit faster by either selecting "D" or smackin the shifter when your eye catches a shift light. The real skill comes from hearing the exact shift point from your motor then performing the dance perfectly to slide into the next gear without losing rpms. This is something my 96 ram didn't have. After owning a viper and being able to listen to the motor and shifting when the motor wants I realized that scraping the 96 wasn't all bad. Now I can have way more fun banging through the gears. After I sell my motor/ trans I might build the srt into a twin turbo beast and beef up the trans to handle 1200 hp.
When I did my Regular Cab auto conversion to The Batram, I looked at the 727 but although I'm sure it's strong enough for a good 800hp, the lack of gears (OD) put me off. There was even plenty of backing from others on the VTCOA not to run the TF727, but the TH400. While the TH400 is another good option, again, no OD. Coming from a 6-Speed it's going backwards without an OD. I went with a pro spec 4L80E which is 80% TH400, the other 20% is the OD. It's stout and built for well over 1,200hp.
In terms of what is fun or fast, for me, if it's fast, I like it, regardless of what transmission is in it. Unlike quite a few guys, I don't need 3 pedals to be, or feel, like a man. In todays world, all things equal on a mildly modified car or even in most performance stockers, you can't beat a quick shifting auto. I used to enjoy my T56, loved it out on hilly twists and used to love power shifting it (more so when I know I was selling it aka have no worries if something breaks lol) but swapping to the Auto was the BEST mod I have done to The Batram, there are hundreds of mods too, so that's saying A LOT.
Most people who don't understand cars will give guys with an auto some grief, most think of your average 1.2L Hondamatic slushbox. Whereas in reality, todays HD performance auto boxes shift faster, just as hard and chirp the tyres through all gears better than any new age manual even with a self proclaimed "Mr Sox" behind the wheel. You guys can have fun, I'll wait at the end of the track haha. In the real world, at the lights, no one gives 2 shlts what transmission it is, it's all about winning. Ram SRT/10 fans were basically "forced" into buying a particular transmission/truck style when purchasing their SRT/10. The Quad Cabs were all automatic and the Regular Cabs were all manuals. If you liked the look of a Regular Cab but wanted an auto, tough; likewise for the Quad Cab. So, I built what I wanted and they should have built these badboys from the factory (yes, they did the limited edition Pacetrucks) but made RC Autos for consumers. They're like a much lighter more agile QC or in short, a big go cart!
Driving a Regular Cab auto is a BLAST. Regular Cab manuals usually have a hard time with traction, wheel hop, bogging and breakage. The Auto removes all of these issues except traction, albeit a lot easier to manage in an auto. Not only is performance improved in a straight-line, you get the cool fact of slamming it in [D] and hitting the road and cruising. Whilst I lose some daily driving and twisting road fun, I gain that back and then some with the new straight-line performance and cruise factor + it's not all lost, when you have paddles or a manual shift style setup you have full demand shifts and control, just minus the clutch. The QCs overall seem to be doing awesome times and overall are better than their RC siblings and they weigh more, the auto (plus traction) is a huge part of that success. Now, put that winning combo in a lighter more potent regular Cab and you have yourself one lethal weapon! In summary and to the original question, if you or anyone else do do it, I don't think the TF727 is the way to go.
My 2c
Cheers!
Carlwalski
In terms of what is fun or fast, for me, if it's fast, I like it, regardless of what transmission is in it. Unlike quite a few guys, I don't need 3 pedals to be, or feel, like a man.
In todays world, all things equal on a mildly modified car or even in most performance stockers, you can't beat a quick shifting auto. I used to enjoy my T56, loved it out on hilly twists and used to love power shifting it (more so when I know I was selling it aka have no worries if something breaks lol) but swapping to the Auto was the BEST mod I have done to The Batram, there are hundreds of mods too, so that's saying A LOT. Most people who don't understand cars will give guys with an auto some grief, most think of your average 1.2L Hondamatic slushbox. Whereas in reality, todays HD performance auto boxes shift faster, just as hard and chirp the tyres through all gears better than any new age manual even with a self proclaimed "Mr Sox" behind the wheel. You guys can have fun, I'll wait at the end of the track haha.
In the real world, at the lights, no one gives 2 shlts what transmission it is, it's all about winning. Ram SRT/10 fans were basically "forced" into buying a particular transmission/truck style when purchasing their SRT/10. The Quad Cabs were all automatic and the Regular Cabs were all manuals. If you liked the look of a Regular Cab but wanted an auto, tough; likewise for the Quad Cab. So, I built what I wanted and they should have built these badboys from the factory (yes, they did the limited edition Pacetrucks) but made RC Autos for consumers. They're like a much lighter more agile QC or in short, a big go cart!Driving a Regular Cab auto is a BLAST. Regular Cab manuals usually have a hard time with traction, wheel hop, bogging and breakage. The Auto removes all of these issues except traction, albeit a lot easier to manage in an auto. Not only is performance improved in a straight-line, you get the cool fact of slamming it in [D] and hitting the road and cruising. Whilst I lose some daily driving and twisting road fun, I gain that back and then some with the new straight-line performance and cruise factor + it's not all lost, when you have paddles or a manual shift style setup you have full demand shifts and control, just minus the clutch. The QCs overall seem to be doing awesome times and overall are better than their RC siblings and they weigh more, the auto (plus traction) is a huge part of that success. Now, put that winning combo in a lighter more potent regular Cab and you have yourself one lethal weapon! In summary and to the original question, if you or anyone else do do it, I don't think the TF727 is the way to go.
My 2c
Cheers!
Carlwalski
RagunCajun
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Even stock auto's these days are far from the "slushboxes" from back in the day.
Our whole point is dont just put in an auto to go quicker. That is all.
Our whole point is dont just put in an auto to go quicker. That is all.
Exactly, hence the reason my post contained many reasons why an auto is a great choice.
RagunCajun
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You preaching to the choir about how awesome auto's are
I do miss the ease of cruising sometimes when i just want to stop and go. Ah well, i'm never going back.
There's also no way id put any trans without at least one over drive gear!
I do miss the ease of cruising sometimes when i just want to stop and go. Ah well, i'm never going back.
There's also no way id put any trans without at least one over drive gear!
You preaching to the choir about how awesome auto's are
I do miss the ease of cruising sometimes when i just want to stop and go. Ah well, i'm never going back.
There's also no way id put any trans without at least one over drive gear!
Hahaha, sorry mate, not preaching, just posting what I did to my machine, my opinion on TF727s and why I like performance autos. :burnout: Like all other posters before me, I threw in My 2c.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Carl, have you ever run the BatRam down the strip?
Not yet but it's on the "to do" list when and if I get time.
Had a mate with one of those "in car" readers. I believe it was G-Tech meter? We took it out for a bit of a laugh out in the whopwhops (Madmax back country) and clocked a 12.3 @ around 110?mph (if I remember correctly). Fully loaded, no weight reduction and 2 x 100% Kiwi lean beef males in the c0ckpit. But, alas, nothing "official". I'm keen to line up a regular cab one day and show 'em the tail lights. When I do get down the 1/4 I'll be sure to post what it does. 
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