CAT (caterpillar) oil filter

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I know the “viper” oil filter is always hard to come by at the dealer or amazon. But after some digging I found a cross reference for a CAT filter. 150-4140. Max burst pressure of 200psi, with a bypass pressure of 16psi. How does that compare to the SRT filter or viper filter? I’m trying to find the microns on the CAT filter. I change them for a living and can get a discount on them maybe another possible oil filter for our beasts. The thread is a very common 3/4-16 so I guess anything with that diameter and pitch will theoretically work, it just comes down to microns, burst pressure, and bypass pressure.
 
The oil pump on the Viper engine is huge (one of the largest on any production engine) and spins at a 1:1 ratio with the crank. It is moving a LOT of oil at say, 6 grand.

The Viper oil filter has a few things going for it:

A STIFF bypass spring (for higher pressure differential situations) @ 17 p.s.i. This is a big deal because a low(er) bypass rating will open the bypass allowing unfiltered oil through the engine. You obviously want your oil filter to, well, filter oil. 8-11 is more common for general oil filters.

Specific media for high-volume filtration, 'cause if it can't filter a large volume of oil, it bypasses again.

300 p.s.i. burst pressure. <end>

A Viper engine isn't very sophisticated compared with modern engines. My 2019 5.7 once used an oil filter that created low oil pressure at lower engine r.p.m. and tripped the cam-phasing check engine light. That particular filter also took out another 5.7 engine completely and was not covered under warranty. I don't remember the filter name offhand, but it wasn't a cheapie, nor a mainstream name.

So...should you use a Cat filter on your Viper engine??? The bypass rating is fine, their filtration is designed for very high volumes of oil and the can is far more robust than perhaps any other "normal" oil filter. The thread pitch is the same, just make sure the rubber flat gasket is the same size too.

I'm thinking it should be just fine and could be the best filter of all. I'd try one on my own engine ( which I'm kinda partial to ).
It's designed for high volumes of oil, it has the correct bypass spring spec and the can shouldn't pop unless you are using 90 weight at 30 below. :)

There really isn't too much more to an oil filter beyond the info above.
 
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The oil pump on the Viper is huge (one of the largest on any production engine) and spins at a 1:1 ratio with the crank. It moves a LOT of oil at say, 6 grand.

The Viper oil filter has a few things going for it:

A STIFF bypass spring (for higher pressure differential situations) @ 17 p.s.i. This is a big deal because a low(er) bypass rating will open the bypass allowing unfiltered oil through the engine. You obviously want your oil filter to, well, filter oil. 8-11 is more common for general oil filters.

Specific media for high-volume filtration, 'cause if it can't filter a large volume of oil, it bypasses again.

300 p.s.i. burst pressure.

A Viper engine isn't very sophisticated compared with modern engines. My 5.7 once used an oil filter that created low oil pressure at lower engine r.p.m. That tripped the cam-phasing check engine light. That particular filter also took out another 5.7 engine completely and was not covered under warranty. I don't remember the name offhand, but it wasn't a cheapie.

So...should you use a Cat filter on your Viper engine??? The bypass rating is fine, their filtration is designed for very high volumes of oil and the can is far more robust than perhaps any other "normal" oil filter. The thread pitch is the same, just make sure the rubber flat gasket is the same size too.

I'm thinking it should be just fine and could be the best filter of all.
I was thinking of trying to find a taller filter, gain a little extra capacity…. Just have to see how much room is under there without it interfering with things. Also gain some extra filtering media (surface area) possibly a higher bypass rating.
 
How many brands on the market actual come close to the specs your asking or that’s been stated in this thread ..
I generally most oil filters are made by a small number off manufacturers..
how does the Mopar filters compare to the Viper filters … like MO-090 that is very available even at Walmart .. ( I think there made by WIX )
 
How many brands on the market actual come close to the specs your asking or that’s been stated in this thread ..
I generally most oil filters are made by a small number off manufacturers..
how does the Mopar filters compare to the Viper filters … like MO-090 that is very available even at Walmart .. ( I think there made by WIX )
CAT filters are a 50/50 joint between caterpillar and Donaldson called “advanced filtration systems Inc.” (AFSI.) I know Donaldson is covered under cat factory warranty, anything else and you won’t have a warranty to worry about using because they will deny any claims if any other filter is used. That has absolutely nothing to do with our trucks lol. I’m sure there is hundreds of filter options out there. I just see allot of times dealers or Amazon have no viper filters in stock. Currently I’m running a K&N and have read they like blow out, knock on wood I’ve been good so far, but I have two viper filters coming from Amazon from the mopar store…. I just hope they’re not knock offs. I have heard the MO-090 doesn’t have the specified bypass pressure rating as the SRT/viper filter- I could be wrong as I have not dug into the info. But having a nice back up to turn to if need be doesn’t hurt I hope lol. I would run a larger filter (if it fits) that exceeds the filtration capacity, especially in surface area. Having a tried and true filter we can hopefully turn to in tough times that will be readily available shouldn’t be a bad thing. Mobil 1 has a low bypass pressure from the research I’ve done. Fram is…. Just NO! Normal on the shelf filters would work in pinch, just not long term with the oil pressure of these V10s. CAT filters are designed to filter at high volumes. Most machines they fit have a throttle lock, mini excavators that run at full throttle for 8-12 hours a day sometimes longer.
 
How many brands on the market actual come close to the specs your asking or that’s been stated in this thread ..
I generally most oil filters are made by a small number off manufacturers..
how does the Mopar filters compare to the Viper filters … like MO-090 that is very available even at Walmart .. ( I think there made by WIX )
Hard to say.
Even if the well known companies from years back aren't owned by an overseas conglomerate, it doesn't mean their manufacturing specs haven't changed radically over time. As you said: Just say NO to Fram.
I wish "you get what you pay for" was as true a statement as it used to be.
 
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Hard to say.
Even if the well known companies from years back aren't owned by an overseas conglomerate, it doesn't mean their manufacturing specs haven't changed radically over time. As you said: Just say NO to Fram.
I wish "you get what you pay for" was as true a statement as it used to be.
This is the one I have been using and bought at Walmart for years now …. Cost around $6 I think it was … image.jpg
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Fram went out the window decades ago before the 10’s were made hahahaha …
 
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Fram Ultra, Titanium, and Synthetic Endurance (rebranded Amsoil EOA filters) are some of the best filters on the market. I've never used them on my truck just from the burst stories from other filters. That said when I bought my truck it had an AC Delco on it and had no indication it was going to pop. Drove the truck home 9 hours and still looked fine.

I've never not been able to purchase Viper filters, I usually have 1-2 years worth of filters and oil for all my vehicles because you never know what's going to happen.
 
Fram Ultra, Titanium, and Synthetic Endurance (rebranded Amsoil EOA filters) are some of the best filters on the market. I've never used them on my truck just from the burst stories from other filters. That said when I bought my truck it had an AC Delco on it and had no indication it was going to pop. Drove the truck home 9 hours and still looked fine.

I've never not been able to purchase Viper filters, I usually have 1-2 years worth of filters and oil for all my vehicles because you never know what's going to happen.
Always good to have a set of 2 and oiled for future changes ..
Fram developed an oil pressure problems on my old 340 with a dual filter set up back in the mid 70’s .. something went wrong with it and when I figured it out I changed them both and never a problem after that . I believe I changed to Purolator filters .
 
From my research, Fram is owned by PGI NorthStar (parent company premium guard) based out of Memphis. They acquired Fram from bankruptcy along with 12 other aftermarket manufacturers including autolite, trico and several others. Amsoil outsources to Donaldson and champion laboratories…. Donaldson is also sourced to CAT in partnership. Is Amsoil a rebranded CAT filter? Hmmm. I think I’m gonna start cutting open some of my own filters and see how much metal they collect compared to some of the smaller CAT filters I pull off various equipment. Compare the internals. Seems how I’m changing the oil on my truck today, I’ll start with the K&N first. I do know Fram had glue issues with the cardboard inside the filter coming apart and starving engines of oil. I know K&N has the same issue as well, but from what I have read it’s been taken care of. I do not know when Fram was sold so I don’t know if the cardboard/adhesive issue has been resolved in sure it probably has as this was years ago as well may possibly be why they went bankrupt…. Again I have no idea. Further research might tell. If any of the info. I find is wrong please politely enlighten me lol. I hate receiving wrong info, and I do NOT want to spread false info around like a Jackass.
 
 
It’s too bad the 090 wasn’t in that as well. I’ve used the 090 for years on my old 318s/360s and 5.7s the 6.4 oddly used a smaller filter on my 2500 I had. Can’t forget about the 3.9 I had had lol, used a 090 as well. Those or the NAPA gold equivalent I used to know the number off the top of my head.
Im using the 090 in my 10 and my 3.9 Dakota and have been for a long time .. you bringing up this thread made me revisit the filters arena again ..
I’ve use a ton of filter types over many decades ..
on my 10 I tried the K&N , Mobil 1 , royal purple and the MO-090 which I chose to stick with . Price specs and Mopar recommended plus it’s Black like my fastest color truck lol . Never had a problem with any of them as far as I know ! The differences were to me insignificant IMO …
Many of the oil filter manufacturers have been bought up by others over the years leaving few choices ..
The cat filter you are talking about got my interest back up lol !
 
I do use exclusively the Mobil 1 15-50 oil but tried Royal Purple ( can’t remembering) and the original 0-40 Mobil 1 … The thing I found is that the 15-50 curbed the oiled loss between oil changes by a good amount .. I change the oil every 3000 to 5000 miles since I bought the truck .



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