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This was my 02 on another thread, but was told it was worthy of it's own thread.


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Originally Posted by TheSickness

Gun owners are through out history some of the biggest whack jobs on the Planet

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YES Sir, they have, and they have also owned swords, knives, axes, hachets,

spears, bows and arrows, crossbows, spikes, baseball bats, tire tools,

hammers, razors, etc.

My "EXTREMELY WELL QUALIFIED OPINION", concerning firearms is this.

If there were a life saving medicine that was over 99% effective when

administered, it would be or should be, heralded as a miracle drug.

However if the news media sensationalized only the less than 1%

times where the patient happened to be allergic and died, there would be

calls for this horrible dangerous drug to be banned and probably drug co

exec's imprisoned. The true fact (from someone who really does know), is that firearms DO save many,many, more lives than

they take!

One of the big lies that is perpitrated by the news media and some politicians

was the so-called assault weapons problem. For over ten years one of my

responsibilities was the inspecting and safe keeping all confiscated firearms

for a major metro law enforcement agency. During that time exactly one

firearm fitting the common discription of assault weapon was turned in and it

was found under a suspect's bed, not used against anyone as is the case

with 99+ percent of all firearms that came into my custody and the colleages

of mine.

Back during the hayday of the assault weapons frenzy we had discussions

on the subject because we could not understand why there was such an

uproar about banning types of firearms that had been used only in a couple

of well sensationalized(yes tragic) incidents, but were otherwise an anomaly

when misused.

At the time of this discussion Clinton was in office and many people

were fed up with high taxes, big govn't, and two incidents

called WACO and Ruby Ridge,

further inflamed many peoples disdain for the federal govn't.

The only reason we could think of was the fact that those are the type

weapons that could give the people a fighting chance to accomplish

the real intent of the second amendment and that is protection not only

from foreign threats, but also from a govn't that has become oppressive and

tyrannical.

In closing I want to say that firearms are allot like Hot rod cars.

A lady asked for a ride in my lincoln and When I matted it she started

screaming, jumped out and ran back into the court house almost before I

was able to stop.

I later found out that she had wet herself and told the judge she works for,

and anyone else that it should be against the law to have a car with that

much power on public streets.

MORAL OF THE STORY


IGNORANCE BREEDS FEAR!!!


And to the LIBERALS, they know " IF YOU KEEP REPEATING A LIE LONG ENOUGH SOME PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE YOU!"
 
Some people need fire arms to feel safe and confident, some don't. More power to each.

I am a liberal and wonder why you have such a problem with them? Could it be the same issue as mentioned in the first sentence?

Different strokes for different folks, tolerance and live and let live...why so much venom in your posts? Chill, or is carrying heat making that impossible?
 
Prof said:
Some people need fire arms to feel safe and confident, some don't. More power to each.

I am a liberal and wonder why you have such a problem with them? Could it be the same issue as mentioned in the first sentence?

Different strokes for different folks, tolerance and live and let live...why so much venom in your posts? Chill, or is carrying heat making that impossible?


Roy,you know ( I hope) that I have a lot of respect for you personally and respect your input into most of the arguments around here.:)

The problem that most of us conservatives have with liberals is that THEY are the ones that can't seem to "live and let live".They devise these well-intentioned ,albeit ignorant laws,in the name of crime control.The net effect on crime is negligible at best.The only people affected are the law abiding citizens who are doing harm to no one.

I have owned guns since I was 12 years old.I have had autos,revolvers,shotguns of all types.I have had fully-automatic weapons,suppressed weapons,and short-barrelled shotguns ( all legal) .I never shot anyone nor committed any crimes with firearms.I have carried concealed for over ten years now.I am glad that I have NOT needed a weapon,however,I was glad that I had the RIGHT to carry one.

Some may consider me a whack job,but I am a law-abiding one.:p :D
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with owning or carrying weapons in my mind. I too have have lots over the years.

I bet if we were to sit down and compare ignorant laws that we would have a tough time deciding between who had done the most harm to society...ignorant laws are like religious extremists...no one side has a monopoly...could we start with McCarthy? Or do you wish to go further back...maybe you would like to be more contemporary...and look at the Patriot Act...

My point is that whatever your preference, be an advocate for that position rather than trying to run down the other side...anyone can find fault with the other side when it is a single direction communication...it is just volley and thunder signifying nothing...now if you can make a strong case in support of your position without attacking the other side...that becomes persuasion rather than "swift boat attacks..."
 
I have to agree with you about the so-called "Patriot Act".What a crock of _ _ _ _ . A lot of stupidity has been perpetrated in the name of patriotism/safety/security/911. Yes,there a lots of stupid decisions from both sides of the aisle.I was merely arguing the firearms part.;)
 
Prof said:
Some people need fire arms to feel safe and confident, some don't. More power to each.

I am a liberal and wonder why you have such a problem with them? Could it be the same issue as mentioned in the first sentence?

Different strokes for different folks, tolerance and live and let live...why so much venom in your posts? Chill, or is carrying heat making that impossible?

When I was young I truely believed that by the 80's we would be at such a state of civilization that we would not need armed forces, police, or any type
weapons that would be used against another human being.

However based on my first hand knowledge and experience, there has never
in modern history been a greater need for the above than now.

As far as "carrying heat" as you put it, I would be willing to wager that you have never been in a situation where you needed a gun, but did not have one, especially if your wife and daughter were with you, have you?

I would also wager that you didn't have to move guns(war trophies) off
the couch "if you wanted to sit"and trained very young in the safe use and
care of these tools.(and that's all they are,tools)

If you found yourself in a situation where you needed to cut some rope or whatever on a regular basis
would you not carry a knife?

I want to ask you somthig else also.

I will assume again that if a situation arose where you did need a gun,
you would call "if you were able" and expect the police to save you.

If you do not feel that you or your loved ones lives are worth getting a gun
(which is the only realistic tool that can save you in certain situations)
and learning how to use it, how in good conscience can you ask a police officer to come over and risk his life to save yours.


I have asked that same quetion to many people over the years and the

best answer I've gotten is"Gee ,I never thought of it like that, I guess

you have a point."


You are a man of apparent high intellect and education,

maybe you can give a better answer.:)
 
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And the only problem I have is the same as Hot Ram, Dem's blame the arrow

instead of the archer.

I also dislike them using the threat of a gun on me to forcibly take money
from me and spend it in ways that IMO should have already started a revolution.
 
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ViperJeff said:
Yea, we need to be carefull of guns........

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25026870




Yea, I feel bad about mentioning to Prof about carrying a knife,
Guess he better not. Can't take a chance on him freaking and cutting someone!!!

I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT WERE THINKING,

"MAN I"M SURE GLAD NO ONE HERE HAS A GUN!!!!!
 
supercar1of1 said:
Yea, I feel bad about mentioning to Prof about carrying a knife,
Guess he better not. Can't take a chance on him freaking and cutting someone!!!

I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT WERE THINKING,

"MAN I"M SURE GLAD NO ONE HERE HAS A GUN!!!!!

And I was thinking...

If something like this happened in the US and a citizen who is legally carrying a gun intervened and ended the slaughter of the innocent..... Who would be the Villain and Who would be the Victim
 
ViperJeff said:
Yea, we need to be carefull of guns........

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25026870



This story has to be false, Japan outlawed civilian ownership of

offensive weapons several years ago which their genius politicians said would

ensure that Japan's citizens would be safe, unlike the U.S.!!!!!




Yea, good thing nobody else had a gun ("somebody?")
,
might have got shot!! (before he butchered anyone!)


HEY PROF I LOVE YOU BROTHER,

If you had a crystal ball and you could see that a mad man like this

was going to come upon you and your family in the next several days

while you were all at some art museum or other place and there was nothing

you could do to avoid going would you still not invite me to go with and

maybe decide "Hey JOHN! I have been thinking and why don't you let me

try one of those hog legs tonight!"
 
I have killed with a knife and with several different guns.

I will not do it again.

Say what you will, life is sacred and I have ended my killing spree. Yes, someone else will have to do that. I guess I am just a coward in your eyes.

Fine.

Roy
 
ViperJeff said:
And I was thinking...

If something like this happened in the US and a citizen who is legally carrying a gun intervened and ended the slaughter of the innocent..... Who would be the Villain and Who would be the Victim

That happens here, however the news media here seems uninterested

in stories that show firearms in the proper light.
 
Prof said:
I have killed with a knife and with several different guns.

I will not do it again.

Say what you will, life is sacred and I have ended my killing spree. Yes, someone else will have to do that. I guess I am just a coward in your eyes.

Fine.

Roy

Dear Roy,

If ever that need arises and I am within' reach, I'd be happy to do the dirty work for you....

I understand (at least to a small degree) the baggage you have to carry. For that reason, and for the sake of your service, I am happy to inherit whatever karmic burden there is to bare for killing an evildoer in defense of a brother.....

I hope none of you are required to bare the burden that many guys returned home with after a war... Especially one as fkd up as Viet Nam...

I have lots of firearms and weapons.... I pray to God that I never have to use them. I am a poet and a philosopher.... I am a lover of God and a bearer of goodness and compassion. I pray (that) I'm never forced to defend myself or my loved ones to the death...... But if the occasion arises, I will be ready to put on the fkn war paint.....

Love ya, Roy......

D
 
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Prof said:
I have killed with a knife and with several different guns.

I will not do it again.

Say what you will, life is sacred and I have ended my killing spree. Yes, someone else will have to do that. I guess I am just a coward in your eyes.

Fine.

Roy

You are not a coward at all.
It should be totally your decision whether or not you can distinguish the

difference between murder and justifiable homicide and whether or not

your life is worth anything. I, and people like me just want the same choice!:D :rock:
 
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Prof said:
I have killed with a knife and with several different guns.

I will not do it again.

Say what you will, life is sacred and I have ended my killing spree. Yes, someone else will have to do that. I guess I am just a coward in your eyes.

Fine.

Roy


This is the part that I just cannot understand.Isn't the life of your loved ones worth more to you than that of those that would take it ? For that matter,isn't your own life worth saving ,even if it meant that you had to end the life of the one trying to kill you ?
 
I own a weapon as well,
But, not for any other reason than self defense.In this day of home invasions,car jackings and everything else that the lesser minds think of,I feel that I have no other choice than owning a weapon.Make no mistake that I will use it if the need arises.People own guns for varied reasons,Some good and some not so good,Maybe if the gov.will crack down on violent crimes,guns will not be felt to be needed.
Just my two cents.
 
The Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Shall not be infringed. Ever. Never. Period. And when some liberial whack job tries to change the constitution, I will be there ready to defend it.

I truly hope and believe that there will be a second American Revolution in the future. Our goverment has turned into the exact thing that our Fore Fathers tried to avoid. It has gotten to big, it has infringed on our rights on numerous times. It has become a overgrown, yet impotent monster that nobody can control. It over taxes us, it has made it's way into every avenue of our daily lifes. Think about it next time you are doing somthing. Anything. How is the goverment involved in what you are doing? Have they taxed you in some way? Have the regulated what your doing in some way? If you think about it there is NOTHING that the goverment does'nt have it's hands into. Our fore fathers thought that the goverment should be run by the people. Ordinary people. Not Career politicians that have so obviously lost touch with the common American.

I am not a Democrat, nor am I Republican.




I'm an American.
 
HOT RAM said:
This is the part that I just cannot understand.Isn't the life of your loved ones worth more to you than that of those that would take it ? For that matter,isn't your own life worth saving ,even if it meant that you had to end the life of the one trying to kill you ?

Someone with better judgment than me will have to make that choice. I will restrain, or disable some one who attacks my loved ones, I will give my life protecting them. Will I take a life to do that, I think not, I hope not. I trust there is a better way.

And to the question "isn't your own life..." simply, no.

I am a pacifist. And I am a man of faith.
 

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