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what do you think tuned is?
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post the linkscoobert said:
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Yes please do............cause Dodge caned the whole thing with the spaghetti co.( they were going with an OVH cam/ head design) Dodge figured they would not sell many so back to the push rods and the American standard.GADodgetech said:
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its in the wiki, or would you prefer something more concrete?
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"Way back in 1987, Chrysler bought up a troubled Lamborghini, and within two years put it to work developing a V10 engine program that would eventually give birth to both the Dodge Viper and the Lamborghini Gallardo – two of the first ten-cylinder engines on the modern market."scoobert said:
Where does it say that lamborghini "tuned" the viper? :dontknow:
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Development
The Viper was conceived as a modern take on the classic American muscle car. While there are some who insist that the iconic AC Cobra was a source of inspiration, the final version of the Viper was far too large and heavy to seriously claim any direct lineage with the compact and lightweight vehicle. Most saw claims to kinship with the Cobra as a marketing exercise, although Carroll Shelby was involved in the initial design of the Viper.
The Viper was initially conceived in late 1987 at Chrysler's Advanced Design Studios. The following February, Chrysler president Bob Lutz suggested to Tom Gale at Chrysler Design that the company should consider producing a modern Cobra, and a clay model was presented to Lutz a few months later. The car appeared as a concept at the North American International Auto Show in 1989, and public reaction was so enthusiastic, that chief engineer Roy Sjoberg was directed to develop it as a production car.
Sjoberg selected 85 engineers to be "Team Viper", with development beginning in March 1989. The team asked then-Chrysler subsidiary Lamborghini to adapt their V10 truck engine for sports car use in May. The production body was completed in the fall, with a chassis prototype running in December. Though a V8 was first used in the test mule, the V10 which the production car was meant to use was ready in February 1990.
Official approval from Chrysler chairman, Lee Iacocca, came in May 1990. One year later, Carroll Shelby piloted a preproduction car as the Indianapolis 500 pace car. In November 1991, the car was released to reviewers with first shipments beginning in January 1992.
First generation (1992—1995)
The first prototype was tested in December 1989. It first debuted in 1991 with three pre-production models as the pace car for the Indianapolis 500 when Dodge was forced to substitute it in place of the Stealth, and went on sale in January 1992 as the targa-roofed RT/10 Roadster.
The centerpiece of the car was its engine. Originally designed as a truck engine and based on the Chrysler LA engine, Lamborghini, then a division of the Chrysler Corporation, revamped Dodge's cast-iron block V10 for the Viper by recasting the block and head in aluminum alloy, and giving the engine a significant power boost. Some within Lamborghini felt the pushrod two-valve design, while adequate for the truck application for which the engine was originally created, was unsuitable for a performance car and suggested a more comprehensive redesign which would have included four valves per cylinder. However, Chrysler was uncertain about the Viper's production costs and sales potential and so declined to provide the budget for the modification.
The engine produced 400 hp (298 kW) at 4600 rpm and 450 ft·lbf (610 N·m) of torque at 3600 rpm, and thanks to the long-gearing allowed by the torquey engine, provided surprising fuel economy at a claimed 21 mpg US (11.2 L/100 km) if driven sedately. The body was a tubular steel frame with resin transfer molding (RTM) fiberglass panels. Typical of American performance car design, it had a front-mounted engine driving the rear wheels; it was also heavy with a curb weight of 3,280 lb (1,488 kg) and lacked many modern driver aids such as traction control or anti-lock brakes. Despite this, in straight line performance, it completed a quarter mile in 12.9 seconds and had a maximum speed of 164 mph (264 km/h).
Second generation (1996—2002)
Second generation models increased engine power, improved suspension, and reduced braking distances; the 1996 to 2002 Viper GTS had a 450 bhp (336 kW) engine, which could complete the quarter mile 0.7 seconds faster and increased top speed by 35 km/h (22 mph) or so. A number of third party firms have modified the car to boost performance.
A coupe model, called the GTS, was also introduced in 1996. An interesting feature of the coupe was the "double bubble" roof contours; two small humps to accomidate drivers wearing helmets. Indeed, the Viper's performance has made the vehicle popular for both amateur and professional racers. Vipers can be seen participating often in drag racing, road racing and drift racing.
Dodge contracted French racing team Oreca to build a racing version of the Viper known as the GTS-R in the FIA GT Championship's GT2 category, where they won the series in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001 and 2002 (the last two with Larbre Competition). The car also won its class in the Le Mans 24 Hours from 1998 to 2000.In the first six years of production almost 10,000 Vipers were sold. The second generation Vipers were exported to Europe, where they were sold as Chryslers.
The Viper was conceived as a modern take on the classic American muscle car. While there are some who insist that the iconic AC Cobra was a source of inspiration, the final version of the Viper was far too large and heavy to seriously claim any direct lineage with the compact and lightweight vehicle. Most saw claims to kinship with the Cobra as a marketing exercise, although Carroll Shelby was involved in the initial design of the Viper.
The Viper was initially conceived in late 1987 at Chrysler's Advanced Design Studios. The following February, Chrysler president Bob Lutz suggested to Tom Gale at Chrysler Design that the company should consider producing a modern Cobra, and a clay model was presented to Lutz a few months later. The car appeared as a concept at the North American International Auto Show in 1989, and public reaction was so enthusiastic, that chief engineer Roy Sjoberg was directed to develop it as a production car.
Sjoberg selected 85 engineers to be "Team Viper", with development beginning in March 1989. The team asked then-Chrysler subsidiary Lamborghini to adapt their V10 truck engine for sports car use in May. The production body was completed in the fall, with a chassis prototype running in December. Though a V8 was first used in the test mule, the V10 which the production car was meant to use was ready in February 1990.
Official approval from Chrysler chairman, Lee Iacocca, came in May 1990. One year later, Carroll Shelby piloted a preproduction car as the Indianapolis 500 pace car. In November 1991, the car was released to reviewers with first shipments beginning in January 1992.
First generation (1992—1995)
The first prototype was tested in December 1989. It first debuted in 1991 with three pre-production models as the pace car for the Indianapolis 500 when Dodge was forced to substitute it in place of the Stealth, and went on sale in January 1992 as the targa-roofed RT/10 Roadster.
The centerpiece of the car was its engine. Originally designed as a truck engine and based on the Chrysler LA engine, Lamborghini, then a division of the Chrysler Corporation, revamped Dodge's cast-iron block V10 for the Viper by recasting the block and head in aluminum alloy, and giving the engine a significant power boost. Some within Lamborghini felt the pushrod two-valve design, while adequate for the truck application for which the engine was originally created, was unsuitable for a performance car and suggested a more comprehensive redesign which would have included four valves per cylinder. However, Chrysler was uncertain about the Viper's production costs and sales potential and so declined to provide the budget for the modification.
The engine produced 400 hp (298 kW) at 4600 rpm and 450 ft·lbf (610 N·m) of torque at 3600 rpm, and thanks to the long-gearing allowed by the torquey engine, provided surprising fuel economy at a claimed 21 mpg US (11.2 L/100 km) if driven sedately. The body was a tubular steel frame with resin transfer molding (RTM) fiberglass panels. Typical of American performance car design, it had a front-mounted engine driving the rear wheels; it was also heavy with a curb weight of 3,280 lb (1,488 kg) and lacked many modern driver aids such as traction control or anti-lock brakes. Despite this, in straight line performance, it completed a quarter mile in 12.9 seconds and had a maximum speed of 164 mph (264 km/h).
Second generation (1996—2002)
Second generation models increased engine power, improved suspension, and reduced braking distances; the 1996 to 2002 Viper GTS had a 450 bhp (336 kW) engine, which could complete the quarter mile 0.7 seconds faster and increased top speed by 35 km/h (22 mph) or so. A number of third party firms have modified the car to boost performance.
A coupe model, called the GTS, was also introduced in 1996. An interesting feature of the coupe was the "double bubble" roof contours; two small humps to accomidate drivers wearing helmets. Indeed, the Viper's performance has made the vehicle popular for both amateur and professional racers. Vipers can be seen participating often in drag racing, road racing and drift racing.
Dodge contracted French racing team Oreca to build a racing version of the Viper known as the GTS-R in the FIA GT Championship's GT2 category, where they won the series in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001 and 2002 (the last two with Larbre Competition). The car also won its class in the Le Mans 24 Hours from 1998 to 2000.In the first six years of production almost 10,000 Vipers were sold. The second generation Vipers were exported to Europe, where they were sold as Chryslers.
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GADodgetech said:
without lambo there would be no aluminum v-10.
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scoobert said:
and your still dodging the question. what 100% American car(within reason) can make turns.
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I wasnt dodging any question, Its common sense to take the iron 10 and make it a aluminum block. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out. Oh and to answer the question i was "dodging" ever heard of the mosler? http://www.moslerauto.com/scoobert said:
'The MT900 ... accelerates quicker, brakes harder, and corners sharper than a Ferrari 360 Modena"
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Chrysler's reliance on suppliers for development and production of the 8.4-liter V10 encompassed just about every facet of the engine. Here's a list of them:
Block Casting--Caparo UK
Block Machining--DMI USA
Piston and Pin Assembly--Mahle Mexico
Piston Ring pack--Condumex Mexico
Connecting Rod--Metaldyne USA
Cylinder Liners--MAHLE Mexico
Crankshaft Assembly--Norton USA
Crankshaft Damper--Metaldyne Canada
Main Bearings--GVI USA
Oil Pan--ECK/DMI USA
Engine Oil Cooler--Long USA
Oil Level Indicator & TubeAssembly--Milwaukee Wire USA
Front Cover/Oil Pump--DMI USA
Swinging Oil Pickup Assembly--Extreme USA
Timing Drive Kit--Borg Warner USA
Engine Wiring Harness--Yazaki USA
Intake Module--Extreme USA
Fuel Distribution Module--Milleneum USA
Exhaust Manifolds--Arvin Meritor Germany
Exhaust Manifold Gaskets--Elring Klinger Germany
Vacuum Vapor Harness--Bates USA
Block Casting--Caparo UK
Block Machining--DMI USA
Piston and Pin Assembly--Mahle Mexico
Piston Ring pack--Condumex Mexico
Connecting Rod--Metaldyne USA
Cylinder Liners--MAHLE Mexico
Crankshaft Assembly--Norton USA
Crankshaft Damper--Metaldyne Canada
Main Bearings--GVI USA
Oil Pan--ECK/DMI USA
Engine Oil Cooler--Long USA
Oil Level Indicator & TubeAssembly--Milwaukee Wire USA
Front Cover/Oil Pump--DMI USA
Swinging Oil Pickup Assembly--Extreme USA
Timing Drive Kit--Borg Warner USA
Engine Wiring Harness--Yazaki USA
Intake Module--Extreme USA
Fuel Distribution Module--Milleneum USA
Exhaust Manifolds--Arvin Meritor Germany
Exhaust Manifold Gaskets--Elring Klinger Germany
Vacuum Vapor Harness--Bates USA
http://www.shelbysupercars.com/car-specs.phpscoobert said:
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Fastest production car :rock: :aetsch:viperhauler said:
i still take koenigsegg ccxr edition any day:aetsch: :aetsch:GADodgetech said:
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http://www.automotiveforums.com/t20...gine_was_designed_by_lamborghini_quot___.html
This may come as a shock to you, but i know for a fact that the Viper isn't as american as you think!
I know that the engine is a modified truck engine, and that two Lambo engineers helped the conversion from truck engine to super car, but the block for the engine is cast in jolly old England.
A good freind of mine owns a company called Zeus, and they specialise in metal castings. Based in the midilands (Dudly to be precise) they are the people responsible for this engine. Somewhere on the main engine block, you will find the word ZAP (Zeus Automotive Products), hidden from imediate veiw of course. This word also features on other performance engines, such as McLaren's formula 1 V10.
So the viper isn't as "all out american muscle" as you think!
This may come as a shock to you, but i know for a fact that the Viper isn't as american as you think!
I know that the engine is a modified truck engine, and that two Lambo engineers helped the conversion from truck engine to super car, but the block for the engine is cast in jolly old England.
A good freind of mine owns a company called Zeus, and they specialise in metal castings. Based in the midilands (Dudly to be precise) they are the people responsible for this engine. Somewhere on the main engine block, you will find the word ZAP (Zeus Automotive Products), hidden from imediate veiw of course. This word also features on other performance engines, such as McLaren's formula 1 V10.
So the viper isn't as "all out american muscle" as you think!
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I cant spell the name so I'll stick with the tt v8viperhauler said:
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I know its not 100% american, I wasnt argueing that. He stated that lamborghini "tuned" the car ie setup suspension etc. Not took a truck engine made it out of aluminum and made power out of it.includemeout said:
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Agreed, but you are dealing with an Idiot.................GADodgetech said:
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