Compression Ratio questions

Tooloe

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ok well i have a few newbie questions about the Compression ratio... and ways to change this ratiop i know there are gaskets we can buy to bump it up a hair..... but my heads have been resurfeced 2 times in my head this would bump the ratio up to am i right or an i just completely off in my logic?
 
Your right, compression ratios go up the more you take off the heads. Someone else may have the specifics on how many thousands of a inch = ratio increase. The only ways to change compression ratios is different pistons, different rod length (dont do this), thicker head gaskets, and or a larger combustion chamber in the head which can be done by someone who ports heads.
 
so say if you were to bump it up you would take some off the head and try to find a small gasket right? with would make you on the + side of the stock ratio..meaning makeing more horsepower... only reason i ask is cause i talked to my builder and he got me all confused since my head have been resurfeced twice my compression ratio would be higher than stock..right? lol
 
Why are you planning on raising the compression ratio? N/A build? If so or if you are planning on using nitrous as a power adder then you're on the right path. If you are planning on supercharger/turbocharger than you actually need to go the other way and get closer to 9:1 compression.

Based on your sig you're building the motor now, if so I'd look at pistons first to get where you want to be.
 
Watch how far you increase it. Too much and you'll be taking some timing out or running race gas.
 
Scrambler1 said:
Why are you planning on raising the compression ratio? N/A build? If so or if you are planning on using nitrous as a power adder then you're on the right path. If you are planning on supercharger/turbocharger than you actually need to go the other way and get closer to 9:1 compression.

Based on your sig you're building the motor now, if so I'd look at pistons first to get where you want to be.


I agree... if you're going to do it _right_ and see significant gains, build it that way. Decking the heads .020" or so isn't going to increase it much, and power gains will not be noticeable. IMHO, the same could be said for changing to a thinner HG. Doing both will get you a small net gain in CR.

For anything significant, I'd get a crowned piston, but consult someone who is experienced with these motors. Remember, there is engineering that went into the design of the combustion chamber of the head, spark plug position, intake/exhaust valve position and it was done with a specific piston in mind.

Bumping the CR a full point (not .100, but going from say 10.0:1 to 11.0:1) will get you a decent gain... but most likely a 8-10% increase in power at the most...which isn't bad, but don't be too disappointed if it's more like 5%. **Let me qualifiy this by saying I just threw those CR #s out there... that is NOT a suggestion on my part to bump the CR to 11:1. I used those #s as theoreticals ONLY.** This would just be a good foundation to run nitrous (as Scrambler1 mentioned) for a real kick in the pants.

Another option (since it sounds like you're doing head work) is to build the motor with lightweight internals and cam it to make power higher up in the revs. More air in = more air out = more power. The faster you can efficiently spin the engine, the more power you'll make as well.

Good luck.:burnout:
 
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You need to CC the combustion chambers to get near exacly the same compression ratio in each cylinder( most do not:( ) and gasket match the intake and exaust manifolds for best results.
 
if its a na build or just wanting more out of your stock bottom end 11.0 is afar as i would go on pump gas and that would require a bigger camshaft.
 
no no no my motor is already built.. i'm just making sure that what i'm thinking in my head is coming out the same way it should in real life...so far the bottom end is completely forged stock specs just forged... and i'v been told my compression ratio is very close to a 10.2 or 3.. yes this motor will have spray on it to. and as far as i know the pistons and rods are lighter than stock.. everything is ballanced also... so i'm thinking with the bumped compression ratio and the cam i'v got put in it, on top of the portand polished heads and port matched motor i should see a very nice gain N/A wise
 
Tooloe said:
no no no my motor is already built.. i'm just making sure that what i'm thinking in my head is coming out the same way it should in real life...so far the bottom end is completely forged stock specs just forged... and i'v been told my compression ratio is very close to a 10.2 or 3.. yes this motor will have spray on it to. and as far as i know the pistons and rods are lighter than stock.. everything is ballanced also... so i'm thinking with the bumped compression ratio and the cam i'v got put in it, on top of the portand polished heads and port matched motor i should see a very nice gain N/A wise
I did not notice the heads and balancing or the forged part:confused: ( a very good move) should run like a raped ape, or John trying not to be raped:D
 
you live in texas what is the highest octane avaiable at your local fillin station?
 
You can kill a lot of STATIC compression with camshaft duration. I run pump gas in my Coronet with 11.5 compression, but the duration on the camshaft 268/276 @ .050 makes the dynamic compression (compression while running) 8.5 to 1. Here is a dynamic compression calculator that may help you.
http://www.speedwaybids.com/DynamicCompressionRatioCalculator.php
 
mopower1958 said:
You can kill a lot of STATIC compression with camshaft duration. I run pump gas in my Coronet with 11.5 compression, but the duration on the camshaft 268/276 @ .050 makes the dynamic compression (compression while running) 8.5 to 1. Here is a dynamic compression calculator that may help you.
http://www.speedwaybids.com/DynamicCompressionRatioCalculator.php
...That's a very smart statement, you obviously know your stuff...
 
Tooloe said:
so say if you were to bump it up you would take some off the head and try to find a small gasket right? with would make you on the + side of the stock ratio..meaning makeing more horsepower... only reason i ask is cause i talked to my builder and he got me all confused since my head have been resurfeced twice my compression ratio would be higher than stock..right? lol

You are right, what is happening by decking your heads or using a thinner gasket is you are making your combustion chamber smaller, less cc's causing compression ratios to go up. The other things to consider is valve to piston clearances.
 
Tooloe said:
93 octane is the highest i'v seen besides at the race track
10.1 comp I would think would run decently on 93 higher comp would probebly require 100 which I think you can get at certain fillin stations.
 
mopower1958 said:
Thanks, I have been turning wrenches for a living for 32 years. I learned a few things along the way :D :D
your 67 coronet is really, nice I love that year because it is the year of the R/T,all you knowledge on motors is lucky for us, the indy motor is 13.1 comp higher?
 

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