Group Buy - FYI

[SRT10VENOMOUS]

What about a group buy forum, only accessable by supporting members?

Hell ya,, we pay our dues we should be able to purchase from who ever we please .. what do we pay for? we get nothing in return for our money no support? no protection no nothing? so what are we paying for?

We payed to support the forum, to have a free open forum.. but we pay and get tons of rules..and have to support only vendors who pay...

I bet the supporting members fees are higher than the supporting vendors but the members get less respect...

I defiantly think agree with the above post, we should have a section for supporting members who are able to join up and buy and sell and support who ever the hell they want..


We were originally supporting Patrick and Jack who ran the forum as a family .. Now its under new ownership maybe we should stop paying all membership fees as there is no respect or anything for the money in return...

I suggest all members should stop paying there supporting fees.. unless there is some sort of bonus available other than a diy section no one cares about.. Maybe that will get the managements attention,, Since its all about money and you must pay to play... Well the people paying to just support should just stop,, maybe that will work out better for the forum..

 

[ViperJeff]

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[ViperJeff]

We were originally supporting Patrick and Jack who ran the forum as a family .. Now its under new ownership maybe we should stop paying all membership fees as there is no respect or anything for the money in return...

I suggest all members should stop paying there supporting fees.. unless there is some sort of bonus available other than a diy section no one cares about.. Maybe that will get the managements attention,, Since its all about money and you must pay to play... Well the people paying to just support should just stop,, maybe that will work out better for the forum..

:dontknow:

Really,

So lets have this discussion, "Supporting Members" was set up by Patrick and Jack for the view of the DIY, nothing has changed. The family is still a family, there are just those that have different points of view and we let them express that as long as it stays civil. So what is it that you think you are entitled as a member, I'm interested in your thoughts

 

[SRT10VENOMOUS]

:dontknow:

Really,

So lets have this discussion, "Supporting Members" was set up by Patrick and Jack for the view of the DIY, nothing has changed. The family is still a family, there are just those that have different points of view and we let them express that as long as it stays civil. So what is it that you think you are entitled as a member, I'm interested in your thoughts

Sorry J you are wrong,,

Supporting members was set up by pat and jack as support for the forum.. new members with no history bitched that there was no reason to be a supporting member so they created the diy section to give that... so the original forum of support was just that support,, and it still continues to this day,, ppl showing support for the forum.. i guarantee you that 99% of the supporting members could give a shit about the diy section,,

I was a supporting member long before the diy section was created,

 

[Mopar]

I suggest all members should stop paying there supporting fees.. unless there is some sort of bonus available other than a diy section no one cares about.. Maybe that will get the managements attention,, Since its all about money and you must pay to play... Well the people paying to just support should just stop,, maybe that will work out better for the forum..

No thanks, ill keep paying. I have recieved more than my monies worth of information here.


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[SRT10VENOMOUS]

here is the initall supporting the forum post

http://www.vtcoa.com/forums/f3/become-supporting-member-vtcoa-4450/

no where does it say your paying for DIY... that was an after thought

 

[SRT10VENOMOUS]

This was the after thought after members were asking for more..


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[ViperJeff]

Sorry J you are wrong,,

Supporting members was set up by pat and jack as support for the forum.. new members with no history bitched that there was no reason to be a supporting member so they created the diy section to give that... so the original forum of support was just that support,, and it still continues to this day,, ppl showing support for the forum.. i guarantee you that 99% of the supporting members could give a shit about the diy section,,

I was a supporting member long before the diy section was created,

I can agree with that, however, what has changed since Patrick and Jack made that change

to include the above post

 

[BigRed460]

What about a group buy forum, only accessable by supporting members?

Ok this post took an odd turn, in no way am I saying anyone should stop paying there forum membership. 24$ for a year long membership is reasonable considering the wealth of searchable info on these forums.

All I was doing if offering a soultion to a problem, that was how the hemi forum I was on increased paid membership. They tried to do one group buy per quarter on some normally useful iteams. (even as simple as oil and filters)

How about a group buy fee for members? few bucks per person or a % of the sale price paid by hte originator of the group buy?

I want put a dent in this "Viper Tax" we seem to have on all our parts...

 

[ViperJeff]

Ok this post took an odd turn, in no way am I saying anyone should stop paying there forum membership. 24$ for a year long membership is reasonable considering the wealth of searchable info on these forums.

All I was doing if offering a soultion to a problem, that was how the hemi forum I was on increased paid membership. They tried to do one group buy per quarter on some normally useful iteams. (even as simple as oil and filters)

How about a group buy fee for members? few bucks per person or a % of the sale price paid by hte originator of the group buy?

I want put a dent in this "Viper Tax" we seem to have on all our parts...

So more or less a "Private Forum" to do one time "Group Buys" for items that "Are Not" a current product of any vendor..:dontknow:

 

[SRTHOR]

All of this sounds a lot like government intervention and more regulations, whereas my idea was free market capitalism.

 

[caveman]

All of this sounds a lot like government intervention and more regulations, whereas my idea was free market capitalism.

I can tell you that if I were King of 'Merica, things would be different!

 

[BigRed460]

...and people truly wonder why the after market is limited? Cant have a group buy on a big brake package(NEVER BEEN DONE BY ANYONE MUCH LESS A VENDOR) because somone might miss out on there cut of the "viper tax."

So how much tax do we need to send the one of the vendors to set up a group buy?

I guessed I asked the question in the wrong place, I'll ask again....

How much money do we need to get together for a group buy?

The point is that us Vendors pay to be vendors on the forums. For someone to come on here and sell parts in quantity without paying the same fees as us is not very fair to us! We strive to bring y'all the best and newest ideas out there. Do we have everything? No, but with a simple call, someone entertaining selling items they've produced, can sell through a vendor. Win-Win! I often think of not renewing my vendor status when I see all the loopholes yet someone has to be here to take care of y'all when ya need something.
The "Parts for sale" section is for members wanting to sell a part they have no need for, not a place for them to market and profit from reoccurring sales of the same item.
Just my .02
Hope all is well in Sourh Texas bro,
Scott

First, like I ask how much is the fee? How much needs to be added so everyone gets there cut? Thats not a smart ass question, I want to know.

Second, not talking about selling an existing product over and over in the for sale section. I asked about a group buy for a product that in the ten years of these trucks being around I have never seen.

Third how is adding someone that has nothing to add to the product, idea, or warranty of said product to the bottom line a "Win-Win"?

 

[VPRPWRD]

I guessed I asked the question in the wrong place, I'll ask again....

How much money do we need to get together for a group buy?



First, like I ask how much is the fee? How much needs to be added so everyone gets there cut? Thats not a smart ass question, I want to know.

Second, not talking about selling an existing product over and over in the for sale section. I asked about a group buy for a product that in the ten years of these trucks being around I have never seen.

Third how is adding someone that has nothing to add to the product, idea, or warranty of said product to the bottom line a "Win-Win"?

The rules are pretty simple as posted below. It is a win-win because the person with the product doesn't have to pay the vendor fees and can still sell their product through the marketing of the vendor who has paid his/her fees. I can't seem to find the vendor fees at this point in time but if I recall it is $675 / year. That is a lot of money for a small time business. Being business minded and a consumer myself I can say that I see both sides of this argument. As a consumer you want to pay as little as possible for a quality product, but as a vendor you don't want to pay for business expenses that others don't have to for the same opportunities. Now where is Ironhead with that beating a dead horse meme?

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Thanks everyone.

-VTCOA.com Staff

 

[BigRed460]

If you do not like these rules, tough!

Thanks everyone.

-VTCOA.com Staff

So for 675 I can start all the group buys I want?


I dont like the rules, so I will start posting else where. I guess for the past 8 years I have incorrectly thought this forum was a group of people with a common interest who came together to come up with soutions to problems and ideas for one of the rarest production vehicals made in the last 15 years.

Little did I know really this is just a for profit forum who doesnt care about its members, just that it gets its cut. It's sad, it's wrong, and it's something I will no longer be a part of, to tell a small forum like this that starting a group buy is grounds for being banned, then leave no option to do it within the rules, is bull shit.

BigRed460â„¢ has left building...

 

[VPRPWRD]

So for 675 I can start all the group buys I want?


I dont like the rules, so I will start posting else where. I guess for the past 8 years I have incorrectly thought this forum was a group of people with a common interest who came together to come up with soutions to problems and ideas for one of the rarest production vehicals made in the last 15 years.

Little did I know really this is just a for profit forum who doesnt care about its members, just that it gets its cut. It's sad, it's wrong, and it's something I will no longer be a part of, to tell a small forum like this that starting a group buy is grounds for being banned, then leave no option to do it within the rules, is bull shit.

BigRed460â„¢ has left building...

Sorry to see you go. But if you owned the forum you would see things differently.

 

[ViperJeff]

Please read post #1

What does this mean, most if not all group buys with business's that are not vendors will be moderated heavily. We value our Vendors and it is our duty to help protect their investment to the VTCoA. A business should not be able to sale products using a work around like a group buy. I know there are members that have sought out these fix's, updates and improvements to our SRT-10's. We appreciate there efforts. We're not saying you can't buy from business that are not vendors or talk about business that are not vendors. The line is crossed when we use the forum to create business for non vendors. So out of respect for ALL our vendors whether they can provide that service or not we need to draw the line in our Vendors favor, especially when we are talking about parts and performance upgrades.

 

[caveman]

Sorry to see you go. But if you owned the forum you would see things differently.

There is another side of this that has not been addressed: when a member came here and asked for help with his bump steer issue, no vendor offered a solution. Even when time was allowed for a vendor to step up, the response was something like, "we are not interested because we don't want our name attached to products that we have not tested". The forum member then did the only logical thing and found an outside vendor who could help him. I thought it was kind of him to then come back here and let us know how we could all solve our bump steer issues. That member was lambasted. Fortunately, a vendor did finally step up and offer a viable product for this issue.

Carbon brakes are no different. A single member came on here wanting to sell his brakes. A couple guys spoke up and said they would be interested and asked about a group buy. Seems me that if a vendor wants to be involved in a product, that would be the time for them to step up and say, "We will do a group buy on a similar solution, if we can generate enough interest". If that isn't done, what harm is there in a group of members wanting to seek good deals from a non registered vendor?

What does this mean, most if not all group buys with business's that are not vendors will be moderated heavily. We value our Vendors and it is our duty to help protect their investment to the VTCoA. A business should not be able to sale products using a work around like a group buy. I know there are members that have sought out these fix's, updates and improvements to our SRT-10's. We appreciate there efforts. We're not saying you can't buy from business that are not vendors or talk about business that are not vendors. The line is crossed when we use the forum to create business for non vendors. So out of respect for ALL our vendors whether they can provide that service or not we need to draw the line in our Vendors favor, especially when we are talking about parts and performance upgrades.

The sentence in bold is what BigRed probably took issue with. I've made great friends on this forum. And I've met a whole community of like minded people who drive the same truck I do. The reason we all initially came here was to discuss our trucks. If we can't discuss finding new solutions for our trucks, even products/solutions that current vendors don't offer, what appeal is there for us to initially join the forum?


More: As a capitalist, I understand that the forum is a For-Profit and that revenue is generated through vendor fee's. I also understand that traffic is the key to revenue. If the membership here wants to discuss price/availability of items that paying vendors don't offer, doesn't that add value to the site in the forum of traffic?

In summary, what vendor offers a ceramic brake kit for our trucks? If the answer is no-one, how is it sensible for conversation regarding other sources for this product to be forbidden?

 

[ViperJeff]

Your missing the point....

If I find brake pads at joes automotive for a great price....

I post it up and everyone on the planet and including this forum can buy from joes automotive!!! (joe can't post about his shop however)

If I put together a "group buy" for joes automotive to get those pads a little cheaper is where the line is crossed.

If joes automotive wants to do a group buy, he can become a vendor

(an example of this is x2builders, Cleaveland Pick-A-Part, Viperparts, Partsrack and the list goes on forever) We have free rain to talk about anything we may find that will help.)

this is so easy even a caveman can understand.... I hope

 

[caveman]

Your missing the point....

If I find brake pads at joes automotive for a great price....

I post it up and everyone on the planet and including this forum can buy from joes automotive!!! (joe can't post about his shop however)

If I put together a "group buy" for joes automotive to get those pads a little cheaper is where the line is crossed.

If joes automotive wants to do a group buy, he can become a vendor

(an example of this is x2builders, Cleaveland Pick-A-Part, Viperparts, Partsrack and the list goes on forever) We have free rain to talk about anything we may find that will help.)

this is so easy even a caveman can understand.... I hope

Wait.... I'm confused? So does Joe's really have brake pads on sale? Do we get a better deal if we all go in together? What about a "promo code" I keep hearing people talk about that? WHY IS THIS SO HARD!?!?














What you said makes sense, J. And I don't see any faults in the way it is now, as per your description.