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Hey Buddy I got a question as usual. What the difference between putting 104 Octane Boost or 5 Gals of 104 Octane inyour tank. I mean does the bottle have the same affect. :dontknow:
 
not really , unless you get the really good stuff, I hear torco now is actually a good deal
but here is some tests that were done, copy and pasted from another article that may be some use to you

THE TEST

To conduct these tests we contracted independent laboratory Intertek Testing Services, who would test our products on a knock engine.

We had to also find a base fuel to add our boosters to so we went to the closest public petrol station, a Shell on the outward-bound side of the Westgate Bridge in Melbourne.

Being a performance-based test, we chose premium unleaded fuel as this represents the most common high performance fuel (ie: if you start with regular unleaded, you’re wasting money!). We should add that "some" boosters would have improved the octane rating of regular unleaded proportionately more than our tests with PULP.

With a RON rating at a minimum of 95, we first established the exact octane of the PULP. The biggest surprise was our randomly select Shell resulted in a quite high 96-8 RON.

We precisely measured and mixed each additive to the PULP, according to each manufacturer’s recommendations and specs and poured each into the knock engine’s tank. The compression ratio was then slowly increased until it started to knock, gaining a threshold of detonation and subsequently a maximum RON rating.

Of less importance but still worth mentioning is the design of the bottles: since most people will be pouring it straight into a tank, the design of a bottle is important to prevent any spillage on paintwork causing damage.

So let’s look at the results!

THE RESULTS

BASELINE OCTANE 96.8

Octane points

It’s very easy to confuse octane ratings as there are a number of separate international standards. MON (Motor Octane Number) is the number derived from a fuel when it’s applied to a test engine run at 3000rpm rather than 600rpm and higher inlet temps and ignition advance. The Australian importer of 104+, Andrew Holdsworth, suggested MON is seen as a more real-world test.

Though none of the fuel companies promote the MON figure which is normally between 7 and 10 numbers less than RON (Research Octane Number).

Intertek’s Graeme Marks believes RON provides the general public with an idea of which additive works more effectively. And being the most commonly-used reference, we’ve used RON for all our tests.

11th

PowerFuel Super Street Nitro Based

946ml treats 35 litres RRP: $35

Right from the start, we were told PowerFuel’s additives weren’t necessarily octane boosters, but horsepower helpers. We kept this in mind when testing both the products, but of the two only the Super Street claimed it was specifically designed to increase the octane rating of PULP. With a 20-percent nitro mix, Super Street Nitro-Based still improved octane ever so slightly (0.2RON) but the real test for these two would come on the dyno runs.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 97.0 (+0.2 RON)

10th

PowerFuel MaxRace Nitro Based

946ml treats 35 litres RRP: $45

Containing another 15 percent more nitromethane than the SuperStreet formula, MaxRace doesn’t claim to increase octane, but the verbal recommendation was the same, ie: its main characteristic is to boost horsepower, not octane. For a fair comparison of these two additives, you need to look at the power they produce. As for octane, it proved very similar toe the SuperStreet formula bumping up octane ever so slightly.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 97.0 (+0.2 RON)

9th

STP Octane Booster

350ml treats 57 litres RRP: $10.95

One of the cheapest of the group, the STP was also one of the hardest to find. Auto stores either didn’t stock it, or had simply run out! Claiming to increase the octane 2-5 points, in a well-designed-for-pouring bottle, the STP – used in the ratio determined by the label - improved the octane marginally by just over half a point. A little disappointing unless you interpret STP’s claim actually meant 0.2-0.5 points. Then it’s a good result!

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 97.4 (+0.6 RON)

8th

Wynns Octane 10+ Power Booster

325ml treats 60 litres RRP: $10

The Wynns was the cheapest of the lot and claimed an increase between two and five points, again not actually listing what a "point" related to. Strangely though the 10+ could indicate 1RON and if this is the case going by our tests it almost lived up to its name. It didn’t quite live up to its claims however, increasing the octane rating by 0.8RON.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 97.6 (+0.8 RON)

7th

Super 104+ Octane Boost

473ml treats 83 litres RRP: $25.95

The acknowledged winner of all previous testing in this country, Super 104+’s bottle stated we should expect an increase between four and seven point. With a new formula introduced about 12 months ago, identified by an "Eagle" logo on the back of the bottle, the Super 104+ seems to have lost its edge with a marginal gain of just less than 1.0RON.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 97.5 (+0.9 RON)

6th

VP Racing C5

355ml treats 75 litres RRP: $19.95

VP has a strong reputation with fuels and its high octane formulas are very popular (VP?) with drag racers. VP Racing’s C5 Fuel Additive lacked any indication of contents nor claims, but the C5 additive still provided a reasonable increase of 1.3RON.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 98.1 (+1.3 RON)

5th

NOS Octane Booster Racing Formula

355ml treats 60 litres RRP: $28

NOS, a relatively new octane booster, comes in "1/10th" scale bottles designed to emulate the actual nitrous bottles of its successful NOS systems. The Racing Formula is the strongest of three concentrates and containing Hydrotreated Aliphatics and Methylcyclopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl (try saying that 10 times in a row), it contains a lead replacement which NOS claims increases the octane rating by as much as seven points. Obviously not recommended for street use, it also included with a handy pouring spout. In testing, it proved a good result improving the octane rating by almost 2RON.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 98.6 (+1.8 RON) as much as 7 points

4th

ELF 330 Fuel Stabilizer

1000ml treats 50 litres RRP: $45

"If you spill it on your paintwork, don’t rub it off – rinse it with water" were our works of warning. We were also told to "pre-mix" the ELF before adding it in a fuel tank (which with this test we were doing anyway) as the ELF has a tendency to settle to the bottom of fuel if it’s either not mixed properly or left to sit. This was made somewhat more difficult by the design of the bottle, which tends to drip when pouring. With some nasty stuff known as Aniline, the ELF doesn’t claim any numbers, and provided a decent 1.8 RON point improvement.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 98.6 (+1.8 RON)

3rd

Amsoil Series 2000 Octane Boost

354ml treats 57 litres RRP: $23

Recommended for off-road and racing use, the Amsoil Series 2000 claimed to increase the octane rating by up to seven points. It came up a little short, but still proved surprisingly good with a full 2.0RON improvement. And good enough for the bronze medal in our Octane Booster Olympics.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 98.8 (+2.0 RON)

2nd

Toluene (Toluol)

20 litres treats 100 litres RRP: $48

Since toluene (pronounced toll-you-een – also known as methyl benzine) isn’t a commercially advertised octane booster. We were unsure of exactly what ratio to mix the clear Toluene to the fuel, with recommendations between 10 and 30 percent. From personal experience, we have seen high percentages increase octane even further, though 30 percent is considered the maximum. Available only from various fuel distributors (it is a special order through services stations), under advice we ran a 20 percent mix (quite a lot more than the others) and saw an impressive improvement of 2.5 RON, for the silver medal.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 99.3 (+2.5 RON)

1st

NF Octane Booster Racing Formula

250 ml treats 80 litres RRP: $29.95

Time for an Aussie-made product. From Perth, the NF Octane Booster Racing Formula was the smallest bottle in the field, but looking at the mixing ratio, also the strongest NF relies on an incredibly small dose – a mere 3 percent! Claiming to increase octane as much as 6.0 RON, NF took the gold medal in a surprising tie. If it were a split decision based on concentration though, it would be the clear winner.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 99.6 (+2.8 RON)

1st

Nulon Pro Strength Octane Booster

500 ml treats 60 litres RRP: $20.95

Note: Also available in four-litre container for $110

The Australian-made Nulon Pro Strength Octane Booster is the top of the range Nulon fuel product, claiming to boost octane "up to seven number". The Pro Strength gained a test-winning, gold-medal-gaining and Nf-equalling 2.8RON increase. And at $21, it’s good value too!

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 99.6 (+2.8 RON)

VP Motorsport 103 fuel

Used straight fuel (20-litre minimum) RRP: $70

Purely for interest, we decided to also test a straight racing fuel. While there are a number available (such as ELF) for no particular reason we chose VP. The highest octane VP fuel which was still totally street-legal was the Motorsport 103. Working out at $3.50 per litre and "designed for maximum power and throttle response", the VP was very impressive with an octane rating of 107RON – more than 10RON points more than PULP. Obviously more expensive than the boosters, if octane is problem, racing fuel like VP may be the answer.

OCTANE IMPROVEMENT: 107 (+10.2RON)
 
So what there saying that is that the boost adders that you add to your pump gas works alittle. Some better than others. But, adding racing fuel to your pump gas work alot better. Right?
 
Hey Tony, I went to the track last night, the truck ran no different than before the dyno and tune done in Florida. Go figure. I just don't understand it. I do know it was hot and humid like a mother last night and would have a effect on my times but, it crazy. First run 12.3. I figured the first run I always screw it up,so I didn't sweat it. Second run 12.4, I was like what gives. So I added 5 gals 104 to see if it makes a difference. Third run 11.9,fourth run 11.8,and final run was a 11.6. I mean there all good times and I'm happy with all of them,I just can't figure it out. I think I got a yellow addict that's addicted to 104 octane. I seen that VP offers unleaded in 109, how hard is it to get that stuff shipped to me I wonder.
 
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Hey Tony, I went to the track last night, the truck ran no different than before the dyno and tune done in Florida. Go figure. I just don't understand it. I do know it was hot and humid like a mother last night and would have a effect on my times but, it crazy. First run 12.3. I figured the first run I always screw it up,so I didn't sweat it. Second run 12.4, I was like what gives. So I added 5 gals 104 to see if it makes a difference. Third run 11.9,fourth run 11.8,and final run was a 11.6. I mean there all good times and I'm happy with all of them,I just can't figure it out. I think I got a yellow addict that's addicted to 104 octane. I seen that VP offers unleaded in 109, how hard is it to get that stuff shipped to me I wonder.

LOL wierd man, let me check an see where the closest dealer for the stuff is
 
couple options

VP-South

Commerce, Georgia
Phone: 706-335-3355
Office Fax: 706-335-3358
E-Mail: [email protected]

San Antonio, Texas
Phone: 210-635-7744
Fax: 210-635-7999
E-Mail: [email protected]


I would contact one of them, you can purchase direct or they may be able to tell you a distibutor that is close to you also

here is a list of the fuels, I would ask them also , what would be best for your application compared to what you are running now, I have dealt with the ga guys in the past when we raced bikes, they used to be a good group and very knowledgable

VP-110â„¢
Not your "standard" 110! Highest rated MON of any 110 fuel on the market. Formulated for use in naturally aspirated engines with CRs up to approximately 12:1-13:1. Good lower cost alternative.
TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Purple
• Motor Octane 107
• Research Octane: 113
• R+M/2: 110
• Specific Gravity: .720-.735 at 60° F






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C12â„¢
The best all around racing fuel made. Recommended for CRs below 15:1, satisfying the needs of 75% of today's race engines. One of the winningest fuels in racing history, including NHRA, Modified Tour, GNN, D.I.R.T., Indy Lights, AMA as well as other local and national championships across the U.S. and around the world. Spec fuel for NMRA and NMCA.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Green
• Motor Octane 108
• Specific Gravity: .717 at 60






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C14â„¢
Recommended for naturally aspirated engines operating at over 8000 RPMs with CRs of 14:1 and higher. Spec fuel for NHRA Comp Eliminator, NMRA and NMCA.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Yellow
• Motor Octane 114
• Specific Gravity: .696 at 60° F






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C16â„¢
Used in turbocharged engines, blown engines and nitrous applications with CRs up to 17:1. Recommended by the top nitrous oxide companies. Spec Fuel for NHRA Comp Eliminator.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Blue
• Motor Octane 117
• Specific Gravity: .735 at 60° F






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C23â„¢
Recommended for ultimate performance in nitrous oxide applications with CRs up to 18:1. Used in ADRL, Sport Compact, and large 800 CI IHRA-style drag race engines.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Blue
• Motor Octane: 120+
• Specific Gravity: .713 at 60° F






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VP113â„¢
Offering substantial power gains at a competitive price, VP113 is oxygenated to street gas levels. Formulated for naturally aspirated engines with CRs up to approximately 14:1. VP113 makes up to 2% more power than competitive 110 octane fuels, with gains of 3-4% in engine applications with poor or marginal fuel vaporization qualities. Its oxygenation also yields a higher effective octane rating and greater protection against detonation. May require a tuning change, including increase in jet size, for optimum performance.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Green
• Motor Octane 109
• Research Octane: 118
• R+M/2: 113
• Specific Gravity: .718 at 60° F






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Q16â„¢
Q16 will work well in any drag racing application -- naturally aspirated, nitrous or blowers. Q16 is highly oxygenated, requiring a 4-6% increase in fuel flow, which will make 3-5% more power than competitive 116 octane fuels. Q16's oxygenation will significantly expand the range of air/fuel ratio acceptability, so performance will be more consistent and won't vary as dramatically with altitude or density changes. For bracket racers, variations in ET from run to run will be substantially reduced. This added fuel flow also effectively increases its octane by 6-8 numbers above its standard ASTM octane rating.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Yellow
• Motor Octane 116
• Research Octane: 120+
• Specific Gravity: .716 at 60° F






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VP100 (aka StreetBlaze 100)
Oxygenated with ethanol, this CARB-legal fuel is specifically engineered for high-performance street cars including sport compacts, muscle cars, street rods and more. It's environmentally friendly and street legal throughout the U.S. In applications with anything from 4- to 12-cyclinders or engines equipped with a turbocharger, supercharger or nitrous oxide system (NOS), VP100 will generate optimum power and performance. In turbocharged or supercharged applications, it allows an increase in boost without fear of detonation. NOS users can also leverage their higher octane ratings to step up to a more powerful nitrous oxide system. Dyno tests with a turbocharged application proved VP100 generates up to 14% more horsepower compared to premium grade 91 octane unleaded gasoline. Designed for use in cast-iron head engines with CRs up to 13:1 and aluminum head engines up to 14:1. Works well on the latest generation of electronically-controlled turbo engines. Contains no metal compounds and won't harm catalytic converters or oxygen sensors.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Orange
• Motor Octane 96
• R+M/2: 100
• Specific Gravity: .746 at 60° F






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MotorSport 109â„¢
In engines that can run on pump gas, MS109 is a direct replacement that produces more power than any other unleaded fuel - up to 5% more than premium unleaded. Recommended for applications with up to 25 lbs of boost and naturally aspirated engines with CRs up to 15:1. Compared to other unleaded fuels, MS109 offers better detonation protection as well.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Clear
• Motor Octane 101
• Research Octane: 109
• R+M/2: 105
• Specific Gravity: .722 at 60° F






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SV-05â„¢
Developed for European drag race high performance engines. This oxygenated product makes big HP and torque gains on and off the track. Spec fuel for European Pro Stock drag racing.

TYPICAL VALUES
• Color: Clear
• Motor Octane 98







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It might of been the humidity last night it was like 95% and like 84 degrees. I know that all plays a factor in all this but I think my truck just likes the high Octane fuel in her system. :D:D:D
 
Some of the fuels listed above are lead based fuels and will kill O2 sensors. Just something to think about before running them.
 

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