Housing Bailout???

Why do some of you think that we are bailing out folks who bought the houses? We are bailing out the industries(Lending and Housing) and not the consumers.

The Federal or Local Governments are not going to in prison the millions of folks who can't afford to pay there homes. Economically it doesn't make any sense. The reason they parole/release early individuals for lesser crimes.

What will happen if all these homes foreclose? All of the sudden a home inventory that is super bloated triples. What would that do to the housing market overall?

On the lending side, if banks scorched by the foreclosures dramatically slow down lending across all different venues, what would happen to all the industries that rely on it(Housing, Auto, Business Loans, etc...).

I personally think that the banks have as much responsibility for the current crises as do the consumers. BTW I have a 30 year fix 6% loan with USAA so I am not defending myself.

I also think that if we didn't bailed them out something beneficial could come from it. It would adjust the economy dramatically overall.

It seems lately that you can't purchase anything important without credit. If all of the sudden loans were hard to come by, it would put less money in the market forcing a price adjustment. Would it have a severe impact on corporations? Sure. Would it have a severe impact the jobs available? You bet.

But at the end it would adjust.

Well that's the best that my High School Education could come up with. I am looking forward to the College folk comments....:D
 
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Good points...except for the debtor prison concept...that went out about a century ago...

The administration is bailing out the financial industry that exercised no restraint and pushed a good thing to the point of distraction. But I personally think that it is not a fix and that it only delays the inevitable.

My education help very little in this arena...

But I do offer this tid bit...those of you with thirty year mortgages...should, if you have not already, consider 15 year mortgages next time...and if you can manage a 15 year mortgage, put a couple of hundred in extra principal payment every month...the savings over the full term of the loan is huge. The additional principal payment is a valid strategy that comes back in spades in terms of reducing interest paid. It is moderated a little by not waiting to pay back with more inflated dollars...
 
I firmly believe that we must live within our means. I hate paying for the mistakes of others. I think the loan companies made it too easy to get loans and I think a lot of unwise people took advantage of the situation. It's created a mess. Will the mortgage rate freeze solve the situation? Is it only delaying the inevitable? Good question. People a lot smarter than me are arguing back and forth.

However, I have read a lot of comments here and in the press that use inflammatory words like "bailout" and "handout" which get people's panties in a bunch (a technique perfected by a news media that thrives on the sensational) but may not paint an entirely accurate picture. We have a nation where too many people get their news from Jay Leno's monologue and then go off half-cocked. A mob mentality approach to economics doesn't work very well. We usually end up lynching the wrong people.

It's always best to get the facts first and then make a calculated evaluation based on the truth. I posted the link to an LA Times article earlier in this thread that answers some questions about the freeze and explains things in layman's terms. Here is the article:

Saturday, December 08, 2007
The Lowdown On New Mortgage Rate Freeze

Kathy M. Kristoff - LOS ANGELES TIMES

The U.S. Treasury and a consortium of lenders and investors Thursday announced a plan to bail out some subprime borrowers. Who qualifies for the relief, and what type of help should they expect? Here are some answers.
Question: What happened?
Answer: In an effort to avoid a projected tidal wave of foreclosures as 1.8 million subprime mortgages reset to higher interest rates over the next two years, regulators and industry came together to work out an industry-wide plan to temporarily freeze the interest rates on about one-third of these loans.
Q: Why are only a third of the loans subject to a rate freeze?
A: The consortium that negotiated the deal believes that about 600,000 borrowers can refinance without trouble and another 600,000 can't make their payments even at current rates, so they're likely to need individual help if they're going to avoid foreclosure. The remaining segment qualifies for the rate-freeze plan.
Q: What does the plan do?
A: It freezes the borrower's mortgage rate at its current level for five years. After that, the borrower would need to get a new loan or pay at the higher rate, as originally contracted.
Q: Why five years?
A: Promoters of the plan believe that period will give borrowers time to build credit and equity, and thus be in a better position to refinance. It also gives the real estate market time to recover, so, presumably borrowers who want to refinance will not get rejected for having too little equity in their homes.
Q: Who qualifies for the rate freeze?
A: To qualify, the residence must be owner-occupied. The borrower must be no more than 30 days late on their mortgage payments and have a FICO credit score of 660 or less. The loan must have been originated between January 2005 and July 2007 and have an initial reset date between January 2008 and July 2010. The borrower must have less than 3 percent equity in the home.
Q: What if I have a better credit score or more equity in my home?
A: You probably don't qualify because lenders believe you can refinance. Those who can qualify for a new loan, either through a private lender or the Federal Housing Administration, are expected to do so.
Q: If I meet all the criteria, what do I have to do to get the rate freeze?
A: Call your lender. Lenders are attempting to identify customers who qualify and proactively contact them. But, they urge borrowers to call because not all the necessary information is in their files.
Q: Can my lender refuse to freeze my rate, if I qualify under this plan?
A: Yes. This is an industry initiative, not a law. Participation is recommended but not mandatory. If your lender is not participating, your best option might be to try to refinance your loan.
Q: I've been paying interest only during the teaser period. Does my payment freeze too, or do I have to start paying principal now?
A: The industry-wide plan is silent on this issue, which means its likely to be decided on a case-by-case basis.
Q: Can you explain how the numbers work out on a real loan?
A: Naturally, the details vary by loan. However, Jeff Lazerson, president of Mortgage Grader, said the typical subprime loan was made at a teaser rate of about 5.99 percent. Reset rates would be based on an index, such as the London Interbank Offered Rate (which Thursday was at 4.423 percent), plus a margin of anywhere from 4 to 8 percentage points. For purposes of example, Lazerson figures this loan would have a 5.99 percentage point margin, bringing the total rate to 10.413 percent.
On a $100,000 loan, this borrower would currently be paying $499.16, if he were paying interest only. If he must pay both principal and interest, he would now be paying $598.90.
If this borrower could not qualify for the rate freeze, and his rate reset Thursday, his monthly payment would jump to $908.24, paying principle and interest, Lazerson added.
Q: What about people who have to refinance? What are they facing in terms of rates?
A: The good news is that rates have declined sharply in recent months. So, a borrower could get a 30-year fixed FHA loan at 5.875 percent Thursday, said Lazerson. However, the borrower would have to pay closing costs and mortgage insurance. FHA mortgage insurance comes in two parts -- a 1.5 percent fee paid up-front and monthly mortgage insurance payments of 0.5 percent of the loan amount.
Lazerson figures that combination of closing costs and up-front FHA insurance premiums would run 3.5 percent and be added to the balance of the loan. So, our hypothetical borrower would now have a $103,500 loan. His monthly payment would work out to $612.24 in principal and interest, plus $43.12 in mortgage insurance payments. Total: $653.36. That does not include impounds for taxes and property insurance, however.
Q: I have a prepayment penalty on my current loan, which is why I haven't refinanced. Will lenders forgive those penalties under this plan?
A: Lenders are being encouraged to waive prepayment penalties, or stall refinances until they expire, but they are not compelled to. Lenders will decide on a case-by-case basis.
Q: How do I find out if I qualify for a rate freeze or some other help?
A: Call your lender. "If I were a borrower in this situation, I would call early and often because the squeaky wheel gets attention and lenders are going to be overwhelmed by the volume of this," Lazerson said.
 
sealalot said:
It just boggles my mind how within the past decade, it's become so popular for people to live so far outside of their means. My wife and I together make well over 100k / yr, but our mortgage is well below 1,000 / mo. Our house cost us 64,000. That's not a typo. Sixty four thousand.

Meanwhile, there's so many "house poor" people out there who bit off way more than they could chew, simply because they could. For a while there, anyone could get a mortgage. Sooo, you had the same types of people who max-out every credit card offer that comes in the mail, buying houses they couldn't afford. What other outcome could there have been?

I've got 2 simple rules that I live by in my life: Keep your public record clean (your criminal record), and keep your private record clean (your credit). It's as simple as that.

I may sound like a dick for saying this, but it pisses me off that I bust my ass to pay my bills and keep my credit good...for what? What does it matter when someone can get a mortgage on a house that costs 5x what mine did, just off of stated income? How the hell is that fair?

It isn't just mortgages, it's all aspects of credit. Shit I remember having to show all sorts of financial documentation just so I could finance a vehicle. The first 2 business trucks I financed took DAYS to get an answer on the loan. My credit was the same back then as it is today. NOW however, I can walk into a dealership and within a couple hours I can drive off with whatever I want. I could probably go finance a Ferrari right now..no questions asked. Doesn't mean I could afford the first payment, I almost guarantee I could get the loan. That's screwed up.

My question is this: Whatever happened to the incentive of working hard for the things you have, when anyone can finance anything they want!
That's great that your house was only $64k, but that is only the down payment on a very cheap house out here (most likely a double wide). My mortgage payments are in the $3k area, which was fine when I was working, but it doesn't take long to eat up the savings trying to make that nut every month (not counting taxes or poa fees, or insurance).

And just so you know, I'm not living in grand style. I have a house that was built in the early 80's and is a bed/ 1 1/2 bath. And I am well out of the pricey areas. It's God awful expensive out here.

I would love to move somewhere cheaper, but there are other things to consider as well. My Mom lives real close to us, which is good as she is getting on in years. I would feel like a complete asshole to up and leave her here, meaning that she would likely never see here grandkids again. It would also mean that we couldn't be there when she needs us. For a number of reasons, she is not up to the idea of moving.

I also worked hard to build up my credit ratings, and my career. But, at least for now, they are both in the shitter.
 
I was just watching Fox and they had the top 5 places to avoid for housing/jobs right now.

Miami
Detroit
Bullhead City
Cleveland
Berdoo/Riverside (this would be me)
 
Got some good news! Gonna Shorts sale 2 homes and keep the other 2 beacause they modified my loans to lower payment!!!! i knew there was a solution to this. But I'm still in deep water thouugh. Atleast there some light at the end of the tunnel
 
Good job Annu,

Keep working at it. You will work it out..

Will
 
OCBob said:
There you go Annu. Good luck with the shorts, I don't know if the market is as bad up there as down here, but I can't give this place away.

well I'm trying to protect my credit. I ws told that a Short sale is not that bad as a foreclosure and also they can forgive the debt if i do a short sale.
So The Irs will not cut my balls in half.
 
Prof said:
Probably a stretch of words on my part. It just seems that the Presidents proposals to provide amnesty to illegals, freeze interest rates for people with poor credit scores and sub-prime loans smacks of the rebirth of a welfare state, and from a Republican...

No disagreement on being very strict on who we help...just seems that if we are going to help people work is the way to go, and it should be for those that have done their best to be responsible and market conditions have put them in desperate straits.

Darn Prof. You and I are much closer than I thought. I agree with your points. Just don't try to sell me on Hillary.

I also agree with you on the bailout just postponing what will eventually happen anyway. I attended a seminar at lunch today and some smart financial people were even predicting that the bailout would prolong the housing slump. Didn't really understand why but they were smarter than me!
 
Oklahoma said:
Darn Prof. You and I are much closer than I thought. I agree with your points. Just don't try to sell me on Hillary.

I also agree with you on the bailout just postponing what will eventually happen anyway. I attended a seminar at lunch today and some smart financial people were even predicting that the bailout would prolong the housing slump. Didn't really understand why but they were smarter than me!

You Mean Hitlery:D
 

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