interested in class 3 weapons
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SRT-MIKE
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VIPR PWR said:
I know several in FL. What are you looking for? Where in FL are you located?
I have owned all kinds of machineguns and silencers over the last ten years, but most of them have been resold at a hughe profit
I still keep my M16 and a couple of cans.
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Black1
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SRT-MIKE said:I know several in FL. What are you looking for? Where in FL are you located?
I have owned all kinds of machineguns and silencers over the last ten years, but most of them have been resold at a hughe profit
The Gun Rack on 520 is class 3, right? .... But, I think that's because they supply LEO's. :dontknow:
OCBob
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With a license? No. hehehehehehhe
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Are you located near Penscola, FL?
Smokin Joe
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VIPR PWR said:
Give this guy a try (Dick Lengler 321-725-0282)…He is a huge class 3 gunner he also runs a class 3 gun match every month at Port Malabar Rifle and Pistol club. He should be able to point you in the correct direction.
Smokin Joe
I live in pasco county....I am looking for info in this area as to who /where the class 3 manufacturers/dealers are locally.....I am not sure if or who the local authority is that will sign the paper work---it's been a long time since I was playing with these things,,not in FL.....there was a manufacturer named Murray in dallas TX.. but have no info on how to contact him anymore..(anyone know him)...and the cheif of police of Garland TX. would sign the paper work at that time.....I am looking for the signature authority in my area when I decide to make a purchase....possibly going to purchase and modify a pre ban colt AR15 with the class 3 reciever and 2 cans one for a USP HK9mm and the other for the AR15
Smokin Joe
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VIPR PWR said:
In Florida you will need your Sheriff’s or one of your judges signature from your county you live in on the appropriate paper work and the $$$$ to get your stamp. You need to do this for every class three you want to purchase. Good luck.
you also need a federal liscense to even think about a class three weapon,that means before you can buy one,you must get a class three from the federal goverment,and let me tell you they will be up you butt with a background check,they will talk to everyone from your nanny to your garbage man.
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Although most Florida Revocable Trusts can hold firearms, many of these trusts are not properly written to deal with the special issues involving items regulated by the National Firearms Act (NFA). When the NFA is violated, the individual, who violates the act is subject to substantial fines, criminal charges, and forfeiture of all weapons (not just those regulated).
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One needs to be careful when reviewing information dealing with revocable trusts for NFA purchases. Each state has different laws, and we have observed that much of the information is inaccurate.
A properly created trust for obtaining and holding Firearms is a complicated document. A licensed attorney should review any trust prior to the acquisition or transfer of regulated firearms.
We also can review your current Firearms trust and provide modifications if necessary to help protect you from the fines, forfeiture and criminal charges that can be associated with the ownership or transfer of items through improper documentation.
Our lawyers are pleased to offer clients legal expertise in all aspects of living trusts including those dealing with Firearms regulated by the National Firearms Act. We understand that the right to bear arms is a constitutional right that is not absolute under current state and federal laws. In order to comply with state and federal laws, we can assist you with a Gun Trust or other entities. See Florida Gun Trust or National Firearms Trust for more information
Wood, Atter & Associates, P.A., a Florida law firm based in Jacksonville, understands each citizen's right to bear arms according to the United States Constitution, federal, state, and local laws. Based on laws enacted prior to and after "911", restrictions and regulations apply to the purchase and ownership of Class 3 Firearms.
Under the National Firearms Act, a Class 3 Firearm is defined as a machine gun, sound suppressor (a.k.a. silencer), short barreled shotgun, short barreled rifle, destructive device and "any other weapon". Your local gun shop can help you decide if you need to register your intended purchase.
In order for an individual to purchase and own a Class 3 Firearm, the Chief Law Enforcement Officer for the city or county where the individual resides is required to sign a documented called a Form 4 Unfortunately, many Chief Law Enforcement Officers have been reluctant or outright unwilling to sign such a document. If you would like to legally purchase and own a Class 3 Firearm, a "Gun Trust" can assist you with this endeavor. The "Gun Trust" would purchase and hold title to the gun. The local government does not complete the background checks, but the federal government will verify and investigate the application.
"Gun Trusts", are sometimes refereed to as a Firearms Trust or Firearms Revocable Trust. A Gun Trust, Limited Liability Company (LLC), or Corporation is a legal entity established under state law. Many individuals prefer the Revocable GunTrust over a corporation or LLC because it is less expensive to operate and provides privacy. Florida businesses typically spend $150 a year on state filing fees. Additionally there are the costs of a Certified Public Accountant to prepare and file the federal filings. Florida trusts do not require any disclosure or public filings. As such, the only people who know the terms of the trust are those you choose to tell or provide a copy of the trust documents.
Although most Florida Revocable Trusts can hold firearms, many are not setup properly to deal with the special issues involving items regulated by the National Firearms Act (NFA). When the NFA is violated, the individuals who violate the act are subject to substantial fines, criminal charges, and forfeiture of all weapons (not just those regulated).
In addition the trust must deal give the Trustee special powers and instructions on how to deal with unplanned events. Assets in a Firearms Trust can not be distributed like other assets upon the incapacity or death of the Grantor or Settlor.
Although most Florida Revocable Trusts can hold firearms, many of these trusts are not properly written to deal with the special issues involving items regulated by the National Firearms Act (NFA). When the NFA is violated, the individual, who violates the act is subject to substantial fines, criminal charges, and forfeiture of all weapons (not just those regulated).
A properly prepared Gun Trust also contains provisions dealing with death, incapacity, and transfer of the firearm. Assets in a Gun Trust cannot be distributed like other assets upon the incapacity or death of the Grantor or Settlor of the trust.
One needs to be careful when reviewing information dealing with revocable trusts for NFA purchases. Each state has different laws, and we have observed that much of the information is inaccurate.
A properly created trust for obtaining and holding Firearms is a complicated document. A licensed attorney should review any trust prior to the acquisition or transfer of regulated firearms.
We also can review your current Firearms trust and provide modifications if necessary to help protect you from the fines, forfeiture and criminal charges that can be associated with the ownership or transfer of items through improper documentation.
Our lawyers are pleased to offer clients legal expertise in all aspects of living trusts including those dealing with Firearms regulated by the National Firearms Act. We understand that the right to bear arms is a constitutional right that is not absolute under current state and federal laws. In order to comply with state and federal laws, we can assist you with a Gun Trust or other entities. See Florida Gun Trust or National Firearms Trust for more information
SRT-MIKE
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Brat said:
Totally untrue. In the state of FL no license is needed to own a class 3 weapon. Any law abiding citizen can purchase a transferable machinegun.
You need to get fingerprints and have the weapon transferred to you from the previous owner by the ATF. You do have to find a local chief law enforcement officer to sign off on the transfer, this is easier in some counties than others. If your local CLEO refuses to sign and you own a corporation, then there is no need for fingerprints or sheriff aproval, and the ATF will transfer it to your corporation.
I have done this many times, nobody from the federal government hassled my nanny or talked to anyone, or even gave me a hard time at all. In fact, the ATF guys have always been very nice and helpful.
The only hard part about class 3 ownership is the price tag of select fire weapons:
M16: $10-20k
Uzi: $6-8k
HK MP5: $14-20k
M60: $30-40k
GE gatlin Minigun: $600,000
For those that don't know, machinegun manufacture for civilians was banned in 1986, however those that were registered before 1986 were grandfathered and are allowed to be owned by civilians. The demand has increased but there is no new supply, which translates into skyrocketing prices.
I purchased my Colt M16 machinegun in 1999 for $3000, now it would sell for at least $12,000.
SRT-MIKE
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Black1 said:
Yes, Bob from B&H guns can help transfer a machinegun from out of state for a fee. If you're transfering from within the state, no class-3 dealer is needed, you can do the transaction from person to person and submit the Form-4 directly to the ATF.
Others are Vito Servideo in Miami, The Gun Exchange in Daytona, Ralph Siefert in Cocoa, etc, etc. There are a pile of these guys around with class 3 dealer licenses, and a few with class-2 manufacturer licenses (can manufacture machineguns, but can only sell them to law enforcement or the military)
sleeper
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Why do you guys need machineguns?
Black1
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sleeper said:
Why do we need SRT-10, Viper Powered Ram's and not just Hemi's? :dontknow:
sleeper said:
Why do we guys want 10" when women say it hurts..:dontknow:
sleeper
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I never had any complaints that it hurts.:dontknow:TNVIPER said:
sleeper said:
Maybe because it doesnt....or cant.....:dontknow:
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Thanks for the smart ass comments.
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