Letter from an independent in Illinois regarding the candidates

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Dear Friends:



My name is Joe Porter. I live in Champaign , Illinois . I'm 46 years old, a born-again Christian, a husband, a father, a small business owner, a veteran, and a homeowner. I don't consider myself to be either conservative or liberal, and I vote for the person, not Republican or Democrat. I don't believe there are 'two Americas ' - but that every person in this country can be whomever and what ever they want to be if they'll just work to get there - and nowhere else on earth can they find such opportunities. I believe our government should help those who are legitimately downtrodden, and should always put the interests of America first.



The purpose of this message is that I'm concerned about the future of this great nation. I'm worried that the silent majority of honest, hard-working, tax-paying people in this country have been passive for too long. Most folks I know choose not to involve themselves in politics. They go about their daily lives, paying their bills, raising their kids, and doing what they can to maintain the good life. They vote and consider doing so to be a sacred trust. They shake their heads at the political pundits and so-called 'news', thinking that what they hear is always spun by whomever is reporting it. They can't understand how elected officials can regularly violate the public trust with pork barrel spending. They don't want government handouts. They want the government to protect them, not raise their taxes for more government programs.



We are in the unique position in this country of electing our leaders. It's a privilege to do so. I've never found a candidate in any election with whom I agreed on everything. I'll wager that most of us don't even agree with our families or spouses 100% of the time. So when I step into that voting booth, I always try to look at the big picture and cast my vote for the man or woman who is best qualified for the job. I've hired a lot of people in my lifetime, and essentially that's what an election is - a hiring process. Who has the credentials? Whom do I want working for me? Whom can I trust to do the job right?



I'm concerned that a growing number of voters in this country simply don't get it. They are caught up in a fervor they can't explain, and calling it 'change'.



Change what?, I ask.



Well, we're going to change America , they say.



In what way?, I query.



We want someone new and fresh in the White House, they exclaim.



So, someone who's not a politician?, I press.



Uh, well, no, we just want a lot of stuff changed, so we're voting for Obama, they state.



So the current system, the system of freedom and democracy that has enabled a man to grow up in this great country, get a fine education, raise incredible amounts of money and dominate the news and win his party's nomination for the White House - that system's all wrong?



No, no, that part of the system's okay - we just need a lot of change.



And so it goes. 'Change we can believe in.' Quite frankly, I don't believe that vague proclamations of change hold any promise for me. In recent months, I've been asking virtually everyone I encounter how they're voting. I live in Illinois , so most folks tell me they're voting for Barack Obama. But no one can really tell me why - only that he's going to change a lot of stuff. Change, change, change. I have yet to find one single person who can tell me distinctly and convincingly why this man is qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation on earth - other than the fact that he claims he's going to imple-ment a lot of change.



We've all seen the emails about Obama's genealogy, his upbringing, his Muslim background, and his church affiliations. Let's ignore this for a moment. Put it all aside. Then ask yourself, what qualifies this man to be my president? That he's a brilliant orator and talks about change?



CHANGE WHAT?



Friends, I'll be forthright with you - I believe the American voters who are supporting Barack Obama don't have a clue what they're doing, as evidenced by the fact that not one of them - NOT ONE of them I've spoken to can spell out his qualifications. Not even the most liberal media can explain why he should be elected. Political experience? Negligible. Foreign relations? Non-existent. Achievements? Name one. Someone who wants to unite the country? If you haven't read his wife's thesis from Princeton , look it up on the web. This is who's lining up to be our next First Lady? The only thing I can glean from Obama's constant harping about change is that we're in fo r a lot of new taxes.



For me, the choice is clear. I've looked carefully at the two leading applicants for the job, and I've made my choice.



Here's a question - where were you five and a half years ago? Around Christmas, 2002. You've had five or six birthdays in that time. My son has grown from a sixth grade child to a high school graduate. Five and a half years is a good chunk of time. About 2,000 days. 2,000 nights of sleep. 6, 000 meals, give or take.



John McCain spent that amount of time, from 1967 to 1973, in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.



When offered early release, he refused it. He considered this offer to be a public relations stunt by his captors, and insisted that those held longer than he should be released first. Did you get that part? He was offered his freedom, and he turned it down. A regimen of beatings and torture began.



Do you possess such strength of character? Locked in a filthy cell in a foreign country, would you turn down your own freedom in favor of your fellow man? I submit that's a quality of character that is rarely found, and for me, this singular act defines John McCain.



Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable or non-existent, you will not find anyone to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man. A graduate of Annapolis , during his Naval service he received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. His own son is now serving in the Marine Corps in Iraq. Barack Obama is fond of saying 'We honor John McCain's service...BUT...', which to me is condescending and offensive - because what I hear is, 'Let's forget this man's sacrifice for his country and his proven leadership abilities, and talk some more about change.'



I don't agree with John McCain on everything - but I am utterly convinced that he is qualified to be our next President, and I trust him to do what's right. I know in my heart that he has the best interests of our country in mind. He doesn't simply want to be President - he wants to lead America , and there's a huge difference. Factually, there is simply no comparison between the two candidates. A man of questionable background and motives who prattles on about change can't hold a candle to a man who has devoted his life in public service to this nation, retiring from the Navy in 1981 and elected to the Senate in 1982.



Perhaps Obama's supporters are taking a stance between old and new. Maybe they don't care about McCain's service or his strength of character, or his unblemished qualifications to be President. Maybe 'likeability' is a higher priority for them than 'trust'. Being a prisoner of war is not what qualifies John McCain to be President of the United States of America - but his demonstrated leadership certainly DOES.



Dear friends, it is time for us to stand. It is time for thinking Americans to say, 'Enough.' It is time for people of all parties to stop following the party line. It is time for anyone who wants to keep America first, who wants the right man leading their nation, to start a dialogue with all their friends and neighbors and ask who they're voting for, and why.



There's a lot of evil in this world. That should be readily apparent to all of us by now. And when faced with that evil as we are now, I want a man who knows the cost of war on his troops and on his citizens. I want a man who puts my family's interests before any foreign country.



I want a President who's qualified to lead.



I want my country back, and I'm voting for John McCain.
 
Good one!!!!!!!!!


I wanted change last week,


so i put a dollar in the slot and it gave me 4 quarters.
 
Why hasn't this thread been answered more quickly and fervently....

I've said it before and unfortunately, I 'll say it again......

"Voting for an undefined "Change" is like jumping off a cliff and praying that you'll learn to fly before you hit bottom...."

Great post, Eric....

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:congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

Awesome!!!! I agree 1000000%

Great Post!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

I'm about to send that out in an email to EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!:rock::rock:
 
:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: Amen, but believe me up in chicago area noone is thinking obama we didn't even no who the hell he was until he ran for president. He snuk into the senate.
 
Nicely stated. ANYONE, and I mean anyone, could have run on the basis of "change" this election year and gotten votes. ANYONE. So many Americans are hurting that "change" sounds great right now. Un-f'ing-believable that this guy is being considered for the highest office in the world. He has no resume for this job. Hell, I wouldn't hire him for a management position in my company. If he gets elected the best we can hope for is that he does little to nothing but that is highly doubtful. The fact that he is in the final two is a lose lose situation. There is no winning now for any of us. The race card is in play folks and we can't win. Something tells me we will see mass riots before the end of 2008 one way or another. At least I have enough cash to move to Mexico and live well when the $h!t hits the fan and it's only a three hour drive.
 

Well it's like I said before 49% of the population has,

Below average intelligence!!!







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Upon reflection of reading and re-reading that letter and some of the comments, I have come to liken the politician's siren song of change to the mythical songs of mermaids luring ships to their deaths upon the reefs. The sailors, having spent innumerable months at sea, at times under miserable conditions, will throw caution and common sense to the wind for the lure of something that sounds sweet.

There's plenty of misery to go around in this country right now, but no way can we just tax and spend our way to happiness. This country and its constitution are not broken. The minds of too many of its citizens have simply become far too complacent. We lack the degree of pride of country that it takes to make the changes we need, and make no mistake, we are responsible for making the changes.

Were Obama not such an extremely partisan candidate, and if he had a track record of making effective and positive changes in this country (voting "present" doesn't count in my book), and if he displayed the kind of national pride that we need in a leader, I would find his charisma to be a potent means of drawing this nation together. I would support such a candidate, regardless of party. The fact of the matter is that Obama has nothing to show but charisma, and that alone does not a good leader make.
 
WoW! Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats your real name btw, I can't call you ramfromhell anymore, got to call you Friend!
 
I've said it before and unfortunately, I 'll say it again......

"Voting for an undefined "Change" is like jumping off a cliff and praying that you'll learn to fly before you hit bottom...."


Django - I love that!
 

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 7/28/2008

Election '08: Before friendly audiences, Barack Obama speaks passionately about something called

'economic justice.' He uses the term obliquely, though, speaking in code — socialist code.


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IBD Series: The Audacity Of Socialism


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During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term at least four times. 'I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where economic justice is being served,' he said at the group's 99th annual convention in Cincinnati.

And as president, 'we'll ensure that economic justice is served,' he asserted. 'That's what this election is about.' Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.


'Economic justice' simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.

In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.

In his latest memoir he shares that he'd like to 'recast' the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the 'winner-take-all' market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).

Obama also talks about 'restoring fairness to the economy,' code for soaking the 'rich' — a segment of society he fails to understand that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns.

It's clear from a close reading of his two books that he's a firm believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor.

Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old.

Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as 'investments' — 'to make America more competitive,' he says, or 'that give us a fighting chance,' whatever that means.
Among his proposed 'investments':
• 'Universal,' 'guaranteed' health care.
• 'Free' college tuition.
• 'Universal national service' (a la Havana).
• 'Universal 401(k)s' (in which the government would match contributions made by 'low- and moderate-income families').
• 'Free' job training (even for criminals).
• 'Wage insurance' (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels).
• 'Free' child care and 'universal' preschool.
• More subsidized public housing.
• A fatter earned income tax credit for 'working poor.'
• And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa.

His new New Deal also guarantees a 'living wage,' with a $10 minimum wage indexed to inflation; and 'fair trade' and 'fair labor practices,' with breaks for 'patriot employers' who cow-tow to unions, and sticks for 'nonpatriot' companies that don't.

That's just for starters — first-term stuff.
Obama doesn't stop with socialized health care. He wants to socialize your entire human resources department — from payrolls to pensions. His social-microengineering even extends to mandating all employers provide seven paid sick days per year to salary and hourly workers alike.

You can see why Obama was ranked, hands-down, the most liberal member of the Senate by the National Journal. Some, including colleague and presidential challenger John McCain, think he's the most liberal member in Congress.

But could he really be 'more left,' as McCain recently remarked, than self-described socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (for whom Obama has openly campaigned, even making a special trip to Vermont to rally voters)?

Obama's voting record, going back to his days in the Illinois statehouse, says yes. His career path — and those who guided it — leads to the same unsettling conclusion.

The seeds of his far-left ideology were planted in his formative years as a teenager in Hawaii — and they were far more radical than any biography or profile in the media has portrayed.

A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, 'Dreams From My Father,' reveals that his childhood mentor up to age 18 — a man he cryptically refers to as 'Frank' — was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his 'subversive,' 'un-American activities.'

As Obama was preparing to head off to college, he sat at Davis' feet in his Waikiki bungalow for nightly bull sessions. Davis plied his impressionable guest with liberal doses of whiskey and advice, including: Never trust the white establishment.

'They'll train you so good,' he said, 'you'll start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that sh**.'
After college, where he palled around with Marxist professors and took in socialist conferences 'for inspiration,' Obama followed in Davis' footsteps, becoming a 'community organizer' in Chicago.

His boss there was Gerald Kellman, whose identity Obama also tries to hide in his book. Turns out Kellman's a disciple of the late Saul 'The Red' Alinsky, a hard-boiled Chicago socialist who wrote the 'Rules for Radicals' and agitated for social revolution in America.

The Chicago-based Woods Fund provided Kellman with his original $25,000 to hire Obama. In turn, Obama would later serve on the Woods board with terrorist Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. Ayers was one of Obama's early political supporters.

After three years agitating with marginal success for more welfare programs in South Side Chicago, Obama decided he would need to study law to 'bring about real change' — on a large scale.

While at Harvard Law School, he still found time to hone his organizing skills. For example, he spent eight days in Los Angeles taking a national training course taught by Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation. With his newly minted law degree, he returned to Chicago to reapply — as well as teach — Alinsky's 'agitation' tactics.

(A video-streamed bio on Obama's Web site includes a photo of him teaching in a University of Chicago classroom. If you freeze the frame and look closely at the blackboard Obama is writing on, you can make out the words 'Power Analysis' and 'Relationships Built on Self Interest' — terms right out of Alinsky's rule book.)

Amid all this, Obama reunited with his late father's communist tribe in Kenya, the Luo, during trips to Africa.
As a Nairobi bureaucrat, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., a Harvard-educated economist, grew to challenge the ruling pro-Western government for not being socialist enough. In an eight-page scholarly paper published in 1965, he argued for eliminating private farming and nationalizing businesses 'owned by Asians and Europeans.'

His ideas for communist-style expropriation didn't stop there. He also proposed massive taxes on the rich to 'redistribute our economic gains to the benefit of all.'

'Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed,' Obama Sr. wrote. 'I do not see why the government cannot tax those who have more and syphon some of these revenues into savings which can be utilized in investment for future development.'

Taxes and 'investment' . . . the fruit truly does not fall far from the vine.
(Voters might also be interested to know that Obama, the supposed straight shooter, does not once mention his father's communist leanings in an entire book dedicated to his memory.)

In Kenya's recent civil unrest, Obama privately phoned the leader of the opposition Luo tribe, Raila Odinga, to voice his support. Odinga is so committed to communism he named his oldest son after Fidel Castro.

With his African identity sewn up, Obama returned to Chicago and fell under the spell of an Afrocentric pastor. It was a natural attraction. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright preaches a Marxist version of Christianity called 'black liberation theology' and has supported the communists in Cuba, Nicaragua and elsewhere.
Obama joined Wright's militant church, pledging allegiance to a system of 'black values' that demonizes white 'middle classness' and other mainstream pursuits.

(Obama in his first book, published in 1995, calls such values 'sensible.' There's no mention of them in his new book.)
With the large church behind him, Obama decided to run for political office, where he could organize for 'change' more effectively. 'As an elected official,' he said, 'I could bring church and community leaders together easier than I could as a community organizer or lawyer.'

He could also exercise real, top-down power, the kind that grass-roots activists lack. Alinsky would be proud.
Throughout his career, Obama has worked closely with a network of stone-cold socialists and full-blown communists striving for 'economic justice.'
He's been traveling in an orbit of collectivism that runs from Nairobi to Honolulu, and on through Chicago to Washington.

Yet a recent AP poll found that only 6% of Americans would describe Obama as 'liberal,' let alone socialist.

Public opinion polls usually reflect media opinion, and the media by and large have portrayed Obama as a moderate 'outsider' (the No. 1 term survey respondents associate him with) who will bring a 'breath of fresh air' to Washington.

The few who have drilled down on his radical roots have tended to downplay or pooh-pooh them. Even skeptics have failed to connect the dots for fear of being called the dreaded 'r' word.

But too much is at stake in this election to continue mincing words.

Both a historic banking crisis and 1970s-style stagflation loom over the economy. Democrats, who already control Congress, now threaten to filibuster-proof the Senate in what could be a watershed election for them — at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.

A perfect storm of statism is forming, and our economic freedoms are at serious risk.
Those who care less about looking politically correct than preserving the free-market individualism that's made this country great have to start calling things by their proper name to avert long-term disaster.





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My fellow Americans:

As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.

I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.

I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively. And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.

Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement , but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt. I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.

Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me.

Thank You.
Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
 
Fit95 said:
I've said it before and unfortunately, I 'll say it again......

"Voting for an undefined "Change" is like jumping off a cliff and praying that you'll learn to fly before you hit bottom...."


Django - I love that!

Thank you very much...........:eek:

bigike said:
TRADER..............................................:)

wtf-----------------------:dontknow:------------------------wtf

D
 
supercar1of1 said:
Both a historic banking crisis and 1970s-style stagflation loom over the economy. Democrats, who already control Congress, now threaten to filibuster-proof the Senate in what could be a watershed election for them — at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.

I'm not that far from Canada, and that might just be a better alternative than an all Demo country. Canada might just wind up less socialist than the US.:(
 
Ram From Hell said:
I'm not that far from Canada, and that might just be a better alternative than an all Demo country. Canada might just wind up less socialist than the US.:(





What is so bad is that a half assed examination of McCain and Obama(never mind the issues or political affiliations) should lead even the mentally challenged to conclude that McCain has the best interest of the COUNTRY at heart and Obama has the best interest of HIMSELF at heart.

Case in point, with all the gum bumping Obama has been doing about the energy crisis and telling everyone how they should conserve, what does he do?

He takes vacation in HAWAII!!!

Are there no decent vacation spots here?

Look at the enormous amount of fuel wasted to haul him and his entire

entourage there and back! Talk about "do as I say, not as I do! And the

funny thing too, is that if the Dem's gain full control in D.C. and pass all of

their policies there will be a Helluva lot fewer people

that would be able to travel there. (except him of course)

But then again, it should be no surprise to anyone with more than a few

functional brain cells.


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supercar1of1 said:

What is so bad is that a half assed examination of McCain and Obama(never mind the issues or political affiliations) should lead even the mentally challenged to conclude that McCain has the best interest of the COUNTRY at heart and Obama has the best interest of HIMSELF at heart.

Case in point, with all the gum bumping Obama has been doing about the energy crisis and telling everyone how they should conserve, what does he do?

He takes vacation in HAWAII!!!

Are there no decent vacation spots here?

Look at the enormous amount of fuel wasted to haul him and his entire

entourage there and back! Talk about "do as I say, not as I do! And the

funny thing too, is that if the Dem's gain full control in D.C. and pass all of

their policies there will be a Helluva lot fewer people

that would be able to travel there. (except him of course)

But then again, it should be no surprise to anyone with more than a few

functional brain cells.

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Wow, Let's jump on a guy for going to visit his aging grandmother and taking his children to visit his grandfather's grave. Are you kidding me:dontknow:

Last I checked Hawaii was here, and where he spent time being raised by his grandparents. I for one have more than a few functioning brain cells, and I do not begrudge the man going to visit his aging grandmother. Rueters India had a rather impartial write-up on his trip. Google and get informed before you post up the conservative talk show rants on this.

You can debate his stance on issues, but attacking the man for visiting his family is beyond ridiculous and shameful.

-jeff
 

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