Funniest part for me was ken asking me to back off, and that i was making a fool of myself....This right after his little strange 100 post reply he had with you chris...hell i had a good time and made 3 friends!!...Its all good i just thought if was funny...
There is so much misinformation, speculation, and nonsense in this thread it makes my head hurt.
All I will say is that those who are complaining about the cost of Viper engines need a lesson in real engine design and building. For one, try building an engine from scratch. No, not calling up random vendors and ordering the same parts everyone else uses. I am talking BUILDING IT FROM SCRATCH. Develop your own parts... now do it a few more times until they are all 100%. Don't forget to pay CUSTOM PART FEES on everything produced each time, seeing as nothing is off the shelf. Now... are you going to do that for everyone else for free?
I swear that nobody understands the concept of "small market". If you produce 10 parts, its very expensive. If you produce 1000, its cheap. Do you really know anyone who is going to order 100 sets of Viper pistons at a time? Of course not. This isn't a damn Ford 5.0L or Chevy LS1, so stop trying to treat it like one.
Oh.... and don't forget to multiply whatever you figured by 1.25, seeing as you were obviously thinking of V8's at best when comparing prices. The Viper has 25% more engine parts than a V8 in case anyone forgot.
I swear... I just wish people would STFU and buy a friggen LS1 rather than complain about it 24/7. Don't hate the market because you didn't do your homework about what engine was in the truck you bought, and how expensive it was. If I had a dollar for every person who has cried to me about pricing because they stepped into a project that was WAY over their head, and expected ME to take up the slack for them, I could retire twice.
I am just the A-Hole who says what others are thinking.
And that boys and girls, is my rant for the day
Yes- that car put down 613 w/ a daily driven in NYC traffic, emissions passing camshaft, converters, shorter gears, and fully heat soaked. We don't play games with false ideal-conditions numbers. That car could literally be rolled off the showroom floor without anyone thinking it wasn't a factory direct car.
http://www.viperspecialtyperformance.com/vsx7002.mp4
There is so much misinformation, speculation, and nonsense in this thread it makes my head hurt.
All I will say is that those who are complaining about the cost of Viper engines need a lesson in real engine design and building. For one, try building an engine from scratch. No, not calling up random vendors and ordering the same parts everyone else uses. I am talking BUILDING IT FROM SCRATCH. Develop your own parts... now do it a few more times until they are all 100%. Don't forget to pay CUSTOM PART FEES on everything produced each time, seeing as nothing is off the shelf. Now... are you going to do that for everyone else for free?
I swear that nobody understands the concept of "small market". If you produce 10 parts, its very expensive. If you produce 1000, its cheap. Do you really know anyone who is going to order 100 sets of Viper pistons at a time? Of course not. This isn't a damn Ford 5.0L or Chevy LS1, so stop trying to treat it like one.
Oh.... and don't forget to multiply whatever you figured by 1.25, seeing as you were obviously thinking of V8's at best when comparing prices. The Viper has 25% more engine parts than a V8 in case anyone forgot.
I swear... I just wish people would STFU and buy a friggen LS1 rather than complain about it 24/7. Don't hate the market because you didn't do your homework about what engine was in the truck you bought, and how expensive it was. If I had a dollar for every person who has cried to me about pricing because they stepped into a project that was WAY over their head, and expected ME to take up the slack for them, I could retire twice.
I am just the A-Hole who says what others are thinking.
And that boys and girls, is my rant for the day
Being as educated as you are, and being a builder (I assume), don't you think that coming on here and applying your knowledge in a civil and helpful manner may encourage people to build there engines using you? But no, you come here out of left field being an arrogant ass. And if you would like to sample something that may taste like chicken let me know.... it rhymes with rock! Thanks for being such an informative builder, I'll be sure to contact you for my build!A little basic math here....
There have been about 30,000 Viper engines built. Total.
Assuming 10% of those people built engines, that's 3000.
Assuming 25% of those engines are Gen-3, that's 750.
Assuming there are roughly 33% NA, 33% SC, and 33% TT, that's roughly 250 of each.
Would you like to venture a guess on how many variations of engine builds are mixed into each of those 250 engines seeing as builders don't share info with each other in such a small market?
Now... lets look at the LS1. They had more LS1's in ONE YEAR of Corvette production than all of the Viper engines combined. That's before factoring all years, the LS1's used on regular production vehicles by the millions, and the variations of the LS1 that can damn near share components.
Should I continue? Or is your foot tasting like chicken? :chain:
Oh wait, not done yet. Check out the port/valve size in Gen-1/2/3 Viper engines compared to the V8's, compare the main journal diameter, and compare the oil system designs. Now tell me that its easier to make power with the extra cubes by themselves. Gen-4 engines aside, the Viper engines were not designed to maximize their cubic inches because revving high enough to do the job was not a design parameter- it takes lots of labor and expensive parts to maximize the use of all that displacement.
Feel free to order up 1000 pistons for a particular application and sell them for peanuts to help your fellow owners out. Let me know how it goes
Being as educated as you are, and being a builder (I assume), don't you think that coming on here and applying your knowledge in a civil and helpful manner may encourage people to build there engines using you? But no, you come here out of left field being an arrogant ass. And if you would like to sample something that may taste like chicken let me know.... it rhymes with rock! Thanks for being such an informative builder, I'll be sure to contact you for my build!
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