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jtsdad13

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hey guys, need some advice. we are having some issues with our honda odyssey, and with my wife getting ready to deliver our second son, i dont want to have to worry about the safety of her car. the issue at hand is the Vehicle Stability Assistance is coming on at random times almost causing accidents. it came on with me driving yesterday i was accelerating in a straight line to merge on the interstate and all the sudden the vsa comes on and throws the abs, the car behind us swerved to avoid us. it began a couple of weeks ago and is increasing in frequency. the dealer says the have no idea why it would come on. they said they would replace the vsa control module under warranty, but only if the tech could reproduce the symptom. of course 2 days without a van and they say they cant get it do anything. i could leave it with them until they reproduce, or pay out of pocket $800 and be throwing a part at it, or just cut losses and get rid of it. any ideas on the cause or opinions on solution are going to be greatly appreciated. thanks
 
505'sFastestViper. said:
here is a manual

you crack yourself up, don't ya ???????? :marchmellow: :marchmellow: :marchmellow:
 
jtsdad13 said:
hey guys, need some advice. we are having some issues with our honda odyssey, and with my wife getting ready to deliver our second son, i dont want to have to worry about the safety of her car. the issue at hand is the Vehicle Stability Assistance is coming on at random times almost causing accidents. it came on with me driving yesterday i was accelerating in a straight line to merge on the interstate and all the sudden the vsa comes on and throws the abs, the car behind us swerved to avoid us. it began a couple of weeks ago and is increasing in frequency. the dealer says the have no idea why it would come on. they said they would replace the vsa control module under warranty, but only if the tech could reproduce the symptom. of course 2 days without a van and they say they cant get it do anything. i could leave it with them until they reproduce, or pay out of pocket $800 and be throwing a part at it, or just cut losses and get rid of it. any ideas on the cause or opinions on solution are going to be greatly appreciated. thanks

sounds like a total BS system.

ya tried an Odyssey forum?????

the dealer probably won't do it, but can it be deactivated with out screwin with other system.
might have to find an independent Honda shop that can do it. probably just have to remove a fuse.

:rock: :rock: :rock:
 
Have you replaced the tires recently? ..... Is the correct amount of air in the tires?

.... Sounds simple, but my Mother had a BMW station wagon that did the same thing. It almost killed her one day... turned out to be the tires were too narrow and the traction control sensor was freaking out because of it. :dontknow:
 
you can deactivate the vca by switch. the damn thing is covered under warranty if they could figure out what the hell is wrong with it. i would try the other honda dealer, but they replaced the high tech motormount thing used with the cylinder deactivation..........and forgot to tigthen the front cradle back when they were done......... and couldnt figure out why it had a worse front end vibration after. no real good mechanics around here for honda just part throwers
 
Roz-SRT said:
I searched the 'net about your problem. I found a Honda Pilot message board where a guy had a problem with the steering sensor. Apparently, it's all tied in together . . .

http://www.hondapilot.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21088

that is awesome roz. thanks. i will run this by the douches at the honda dealership, but i am sure they will say if we cant reproduce it we wont fix under warranty. then i will tell em to give me a comparable loaner and they can keep the dangerous piece of sh** until they fix it.
 
have had idle probs with the 10, the dealer refuses to do anything about it, until they see actual symptoms.........meanwhile........:argh:
 
505'sFastestViper. said:
here is a manual

i had two of them ,a 350 and the older style 250 was a blast just started getting hard to get parts for
 
I say dont put your wife in it, y ou drive it around until it happens again, and drive it striaght into a ditch and then sue the crap out of em:mad:

thats total BS bo that you have a life threatening situation and they want do nothing about it

two thumbs down:mad:
 
Stinker said:
I say dont put your wife in it, y ou drive it around until it happens again, and drive it striaght into a ditch and then sue the crap out of em:mad:

thats total BS bo that you have a life threatening situation and they want do nothing about it

two thumbs down:mad:

hmmm............full and gap coverage.............must resist........... i beleive i am gonna call em monday and let em know its theirs until they fix it. wife wants to get rid of it period. says she dont want to drive around waiting for something to happen. couldnt happen at a worse time. new baby in t minus 3-4 wks and trying to get a house. i tried to get my wife to take my QC and i could just get RC or a GTS.
 
you could keep taking it back until lemon law applies:dontknow:

but bo , if the love of ya life is expecting......I would let them know, and let them know that if she is in there and anything happens to them, you would own honda, that may get there attention;)

its a very serious issue , and they should understand that:dontknow:

if not hell call there area rep:argh:
 
Stinker said:
you could keep taking it back until lemon law applies:dontknow:

but bo , if the love of ya life is expecting......I would let them know, and let them know that if she is in there and anything happens to them, you would own honda, that may get there attention;)

its a very serious issue , and they should understand that:dontknow:

if not hell call there area rep:argh:

rep was the problem. the service manager said the only thing it could be was the vsa modulator and would replace it if ok'd by honda, which it wasnt. so i will take it down monday after working all weekend in the er, which usually sours my disposition a bit. we have had van for 14 months, i thought lemon law applied only to first 12?
 
jtsdad13 said:
rep was the problem. the service manager said the only thing it could be was the vsa modulator and would replace it if ok'd by honda, which it wasnt. so i will take it down monday after working all weekend in the er, which usually sours my disposition a bit. we have had van for 14 months, i thought lemon law applied only to first 12?
nto sure really, I guess it would depend on each state, contact tnviper and have him ask his brother, he should be able to tell you about the lemon law in your state.

but thats jsut crap bo, and dangerous, you got more patient then I do, i would kick someone in the sac:D
 
Ken your first mistake was buying one of them there rice burning cars.....;) ...which dealer are you talking about?...........for your reading enjoyment I have posted the TN lemon law below....

Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-201. Definitions.
As used in this part, unless the context otherwise requires:
(1) "Consumer" means the purchaser (other than for purposes of resale) or the lessee of a motor vehicle, any person to whom such motor vehicle is transferred during the duration of an express warranty applicable to such motor vehicle, and any other person entitled by the terms of such warranty to enforce the obligations of the warranty. "Consumer" does not include any governmental entity or any business or commercial entity which registers three (3) or more vehicles;
(2) "Lessee" means any consumer who leases a motor vehicle pursuant to a written lease agreement by which a manufacturer's warranty was issued as a condition of sale or which provides that the lessee is responsible for repairs to such motor vehicle;
(3) "Motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle as defined in 55-1-103, which is sold and subject to the registration and certificate of title provisions in chapters 1-6 of this title in the state of Tennessee, and classified as a Class C vehicle according to 55-4-111. For the purposes of this part, "motor vehicle" does not include motorized bicycles as defined in 55-8-101, motor homes as defined in 55-1-104, lawnmowers or garden tractors, recreational vehicles or off-road vehicles and vehicles over ten thousand (10,000) pounds gross vehicle weight;
(4) "Substantially impair" means to render a motor vehicle unreliable or unsafe for normal operation or to reduce its resale market value below the average resale value for comparable motor vehicles; and
(5) "Term of protection" means the term of applicable express warranties or the period of one (1) year following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to a consumer, whichever comes first; or, in the case of a replacement vehicle provided by a manufacturer to a consumer under this part, one (1) year from the date of delivery to the consumer of the replacement vehicle.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-202. Nonconforming vehicles.
Reports - Repairs.
If a new motor vehicle does not conform to all applicable express warranties and the consumer reports the nonconformity, defect or condition to the manufacturer, its agent or its authorized dealer during the term of protection, the manufacturer, its agent or its authorized dealer shall correct the nonconformity, defect or condition at no charge to the consumer, notwithstanding the fact that such repairs are made after the expiration of such term. Any corrections or attempted corrections undertaken by an authorized dealer under the provisions of this section shall be treated as warranty work and billed by the dealer to the manufacturer in the same manner as other work under warranty is billed.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-203. Replacement or repair of vehicles.
Refunds - Refinancing agreements - Defenses.
(a) The manufacturer must replace the motor vehicle with a comparable motor vehicle or accept return of the vehicle from the consumer and refund to the consumer the full purchase price if:
(1) The nonconformity, defect or condition substantially impairs the motor vehicle; and
(2) The manufacturer, its agent or authorized dealer is unable to conform the motor vehicle to any applicable express warranty after a reasonable number of attempts.
(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) "Collateral charges" means manufacturer-installed or agent-installed items or service charges, credit life and disability insurance charges, sales taxes, title charges, license fees, registration fees, any similar governmental charges and other reasonable expenses incurred for the purchase of the motor vehicle;
(2) "Comparable motor vehicle" means a new motor vehicle of comparable worth to the same make and model with all options and accessories, with appropriate adjustments being allowed for any model year differences;
(3) "Full purchase price" means the actual cost paid by the consumer, including all collateral charges, less a reasonable allowance for use; and
(4)
(A) "Reasonable allowance for use" means that amount directly attributable to use by a consumer prior to such consumer's first report of the nonconformity to the manufacturer, agent or dealer and during any subsequent period when the vehicle is not out of service by reason of repair, plus a reasonable amount for any damage not attributable to normal wear.
(B) A reasonable allowance for use shall not exceed one half (1/2) of the amount allowed per mile by the internal revenue service, as provided by regulation, revenue procedure or revenue ruling promulgated pursuant to 162 of the Internal Revenue Code, for use of a personal vehicle for business purposes, plus an amount to account for any loss to the fair market value of the vehicle resulting from damage beyond normal wear and tear, unless the damage resulted from nonconformity to an express warranty.
(c) Refunds shall be made to the consumer, and lien holder, if any, as their interests appear. The provisions of this section shall not affect the interests of a lien holder; unless the lien holder consents to the replacement of the lien with a corresponding lien on the vehicle accepted by the consumer in exchange for the vehicle having a nonconformity, the lien holder shall be paid in full the amount due on the lien, including interest and other charges, before an exchange of automobiles or a refund to the consumer is made.
(d) In instances where a vehicle which was financed by the manufacturer or its subsidiary or agent is replaced under the provisions of this section, the manufacturer, subsidiary or agent shall not require the consumer to enter into any refinancing agreement which would create any financial obligations upon such consumer beyond those imposed by the original financing agreement.
(e) It shall be an affirmative defense to any claim under this part:
(1) That an alleged nonconformity does not substantially impair a motor vehicle; or
(2) That a nonconformity is the result of abuse, neglect or unauthorized modifications or alterations of a motor vehicle by a consumer.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-204. Leased vehicles - Refunds.
(a) In the case of a leased vehicle, refunds will be made to the lessor and lessee as follows: The lessee will receive the lessee cost and the lessor will receive the lease price less the aggregate deposit and rental payments previously paid to the lessor for the leased vehicle.
(b) For purposes of this section:
(1) "Lease price" means the aggregate of:
(A) Lessor's actual purchase cost;
(B) Freight, if applicable;
(C) Accessories, if applicable;
(D) Any fee paid to another to obtain the lease; and
(E) An amount equal to five percent (5%) of subdivision (b)(1);
(2) "Lessee cost" means the aggregate deposit and rental payments previously paid to the lessor for the leased vehicle less service fees; and
(3) "Service fees" means the portion of a lease payment attributable to:
(A) An amount for earned interest calculated on the rental payments previously paid to the lessor for the leased vehicle at an annual rate equal to two (2) points above the prime rate in effect on the date of the execution of the lease; and
(B) Any insurance or other costs expended by the lessor for the benefit of the lessee.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-205. Presumptions
Term of protection - Notice to manufacturer.
(a) It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a motor vehicle to the applicable express warranties, if:
(1) The same nonconformity has been subject to repair four (4) or more times by the manufacturer or its agents or authorized dealers, but such nonconformity continues to exist; or
(2) The vehicle is out of service by reason of repair for a cumulative total of thirty (30) or more calendar days during the term of protection.
(b) The term of protection and such thirty-day period shall be extended by any period of time during which repair services are not available to the consumer because of a war, invasion, strike or fire, flood or other natural disaster.
(c) It shall be the responsibility of the consumer, or the representative of the consumer, prior to proceeding under the provisions of 55-24-203, to give written notification by certified mail directly to the manufacturer of the need for the correction or repair of the nonconformity. If the address of the manufacturer is not readily available to the consumer in the owner's manual or manufacturer's warranty received by the consumer at the time of purchase of the motor vehicle, such written notification shall be mailed to an authorized dealer. The authorized dealer shall upon receipt forward such notification to the manufacturer. If, at the time such notice is given, either of the conditions set forth in subsection (a) already exists, the manufacturer shall be given an additional opportunity after receipt of the notification, not to exceed ten (10) days, to correct or repair the nonconformity.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-206. Informal dispute settlement procedure.
(a) If a manufacturer has established or participates in an informal dispute settlement procedure which complies with the provisions of Title 16, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 703, as those provisions read on November 3, 1983, and of this part, and causes the consumer to be notified of the procedure, the provisions of 55-24-203 concerning refunds or replacement shall not apply to any consumer who has not first resorted to such procedure. The attorney general and reporter shall, upon application, issue a determination whether an informal dispute resolution mechanism qualifies under this section.
(b)
(1) The informal dispute settlement panel shall determine whether the motor vehicle does or does not conform to all applicable express warranties.
(2) If the motor vehicle does not conform to all applicable express warranties, the informal dispute settlement panel shall then determine whether the nonconformity substantially impairs the motor vehicle.
(3) If the nonconformity does substantially impair the motor vehicle, the informal dispute settlement panel shall then determine, in accordance with this part, whether a reasonable number of attempts have been made to correct the nonconformity.
(4) If a reasonable number of attempts have been made to correct the nonconformity, the informal dispute settlement panel shall determine whether the manufacturer has been given an opportunity to repair the motor vehicle as provided in 55-24-202.
(5) If the manufacturer has been given an opportunity to repair the motor vehicle as provided in 55-24-202, the panel shall find that the consumer is entitled to refund or replacement as provided in 55-24-203(a).
(6) The informal dispute settlement panel shall determine the amount of collateral charges, where appropriate.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-207. Statute of limitations.
(a) Any action brought under this part shall be commenced within six (6) months following:
(1) Expiration of the express warranty term; or
(2) One (1) year following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to a consumer, whichever is the later date.
(b) The statute of limitations shall be tolled for the period beginning on the date when the consumer submits a dispute to an informal dispute settlement procedure as provided in 55-24-206 and ending on the date of its decision or the date before which the manufacturer, its agent or its authorized dealer is required by the decision to fulfill its terms, whichever comes later.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-208. Recovery of costs and expenses - Attorneys' fees.
If a consumer finally prevails in any action brought under this part, such consumer may be allowed by the court to recover as part of the judgment a sum equal to the aggregate amount of costs and expenses, including attorneys' fees based on actual time expended, determined by the court to have been reasonably incurred by the plaintiff for or in connection with the commencement and prosecution of such action.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-209. Copy of repair order to consumer.
A manufacturer, its agent or authorized dealer shall provide to the consumer, each time the consumer's vehicle is returned from being serviced or repaired, a copy of the repair order indicating all work performed on the vehicle, including, but not limited to, parts and labor provided without cost or at reduced cost because of shop or manufacturer's warranty, the date the vehicle was submitted for repair, the date it was returned to the consumer, and the odometer reading.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-210. Election of remedies.
(a) Nothing in this part shall in any way limit the rights or remedies which are otherwise available to a consumer under any other law.
(b) In no event shall a consumer who has resorted to an informal dispute settlement procedure be precluded from seeking the rights or remedies available by law. However, if the consumer elects to pursue any other remedy in state or federal court, the remedy available under this part shall not be available insofar as it would result in recovery in excess of the recovery authorized by 55-24-203 without proof of fault resulting in damages in excess of such recovery.
(c) Any agreement entered into by a consumer for, or in connection with, the purchase or lease of a new motor vehicle which waives, limits or disclaims the rights set forth in this part shall be void as contrary to public policy. These rights shall inure to a subsequent transferee of such motor vehicle.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-211. Commencing actions against sellers or lessors.
No action shall be commenced or maintained under the provisions of this part against the seller or lessor of a motor vehicle unless the seller or lessor is also the manufacturer, or unless the manufacturer of the motor vehicle is not subject to service of process in the state of Tennessee, or service cannot be secured by the long-arm statutes of Tennessee, or unless the manufacturer has been judicially declared insolvent.
Tennessee Lemon Law 55-24-212. Manufacturer's warranty - Disclosure to purchaser.
Any business entity which purchases a fleet of new motor vehicles, titles such motor vehicles in the business entity's name and sells such vehicles to an individual purchaser shall disclose in writing any remaining manufacturer's warranty on such motor vehicles to such purchaser.
 

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