Poll concerning our PISTONS!

[eddie102870]

spoke with roe and he said to run race gas at the track for added insurance and not to turn it over 5000rpm's for safety

 

[Ronin]

$15,500. Now go find a rich wife!

Got one of those but was curious as to exactly what that number included, parts wise (heads?) Thanks...

 

[Prof]

Some head work but not balls to the wall.

Here is a short list:

Diamond pistons, rings and pins with coated decks and skirts
Oliver rods
Coated main bearings and rod bearings
Cylinder sleeves honed and plated
Line honed
Deck Blocked
Nitride treated crankshaft
Crank shaft reground and polished to size
Complete rotating assembly balanced
Block oil galleys re-machined
New pilot bearing
Added a one-piece pressure relief valve
Competition valve job, with special springs and keepers and roller lifters
Chrome Moly pushrods

 

[Demon 8]

Holy Shit!!!

 

[supercar1of1]

Hey everyone! Where did anyone see me say that we should run out and

demand Dodge replace all our internals right away for free? You didn't!

My thought was to be discreet and covert in approaching Dodge with this

issue and making sure they understand that we are strong supporters of their

SRT program, not adversaries. And like I wrote before there is a huge

difference between free and COST. As far as any court action, that is a

LAST resort. I have first hand knowledge that there is a legal principle that

a product should perform to a level consistant with accepted standards

of intended use regardless of any warranty, or words to that effect, and it

appears Dodge has already found that out the hard way.THANKS, RONIN!

To sum up, I do not feel that this product lives up to the advertised level of

performance and DURABILITY, which deserves some degree of support from

the manufacturer and was simply trying to see how many like minded

individuals we had and get their .02

 

[Ronin]

Some head work but not balls to the wall.

Here is a short list:

Diamond pistons, rings and pins with coated decks and skirts
Oliver rods
Coated main bearings and rod bearings
Cylinder sleeves honed and plated
Line honed
Deck Blocked
Nitride treated crankshaft
Crank shaft reground and polished to size
Complete rotating assembly balanced
Block oil galleys re-machined
New pilot bearing
Added a one-piece pressure relief valve
Competition valve job, with special springs and keepers and roller lifters
Chrome Moly pushrods

Nice list! That will do, fer sure!!! :rock:

 

[Prof]

Just seems to me that if you are going to tear it down, then put it back together in a way that you can have a modicum of confidence...what is the fun of driving a truck that you think might fail.

Now there are very safe ways to go at the rebuild way short of where I went...and the truth is that I will have a FI modified engine and it might destruct on start-up...shit happens.

 

[LitemUp]

Just seems to me that if you are going to tear it down, then put it back together in a way that you can have a modicum of confidence...what is the fun of driving a truck that you think might fail.

Now there are very safe ways to go at the rebuild way short of where I went...and the truth is that I will have a FI modified engine and it might destruct on start-up...shit happens.

Prof,

How much did all that set you back if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Prof]

Prof,

How much did all that set you back if you don't mind me asking?

See post #39

 

[HaulinAsp]

Hey everyone! Where did anyone see me say that we should run out and

demand Dodge replace all our internals right away for free? You didn't!

My thought was to be discreet and covert in approaching Dodge with this

issue and making sure they understand that we are strong supporters of their

SRT program, not adversaries. And like I wrote before there is a huge

difference between free and COST. As far as any court action, that is a

LAST resort. I have first hand knowledge that there is a legal principle that

a product should perform to a level consistant with accepted standards

of intended use regardless of any warranty, or words to that effect, and it

appears Dodge has already found that out the hard way.THANKS, RONIN!

To sum up, I do not feel that this product lives up to the advertised level of

performance and DURABILITY, which deserves some degree of support from

the manufacturer and was simply trying to see how many like minded

individuals we had and get their .02

Anyone have an e-mail contact to the SRT Division? I want them to know that because they built such a great platform which now sits in my garage on an engine stand, that I am strongly leaning on dropping an 800 horse CUMMINS DIESEL in the engine bay........ I wonder if Steve can make me some new emblems for it : RATTLE SNAKE

 

[Prof]

Love the name!

 

[Silverback]

:dontknow: So I guess the MOPAR Headers and the Catback Magnaflow and a Cold Air Intake are extreme mods that will push the engine over the edge Or was it the driving around on a 94 octane tune from KRC..... This adds up to 480 maybe hp......

That's not the same list of mods that were listed earlier. I seem to remember that CAT delete, and the PCM.

By the way, the CAT delete is in violation of federal law. They can spank your pee pee pretty hard if they catch you and decide to make an example of you.

So yes, when you throw in the CAT and PCM mods, you are a long way from stock. I'm sure it was running lean and there was detonation. And if it's rebuilt with forged pistons and everything else is left the same, it will happen again. It will just take longer to break down the forged pistons.

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

Prof,

How much did all that set you back if you don't mind me asking?

too much

 

[supercar1of1]

Anyone have an e-mail contact to the SRT Division? I want them to know that because they built such a great platform which now sits in my garage on an engine stand, that I am strongly leaning on dropping an 800 horse CUMMINS DIESEL in the engine bay........ I wonder if Steve can make me some new emblems for it : RATTLE SNAKE

Hey Haulin! Could you possibly use the next few days to gather and print

info before you contact Dodge? IMHO it would be better to have as much

info as possible for their review, and a well thought out presentation, before

contacting them. In negotiating, if it can be shown that a party made a

sincere and reasonable effort to resolve an issue as fairly as possible, it

will carry a LOT of weight should it go to a court setting at a later date.









.

 

[HaulinAsp]

That's not the same list of mods that were listed earlier. I seem to remember that CAT delete, and the PCM.

By the way, the CAT delete is in violation of federal law. They can spank your pee pee pretty hard if they catch you and decide to make an example of you.

So yes, when you throw in the CAT and PCM mods, you are a long way from stock. I'm sure it was running lean and there was detonation. And if it's rebuilt with forged pistons and everything else is left the same, it will happen again. It will just take longer to break down the forged pistons.

Mopar headers come with the cat delete pipes so no need to mention it again and again- I installed the parts personally and I read their little warning on running the pipes on the street- it made me smile....... and the 94 octane tune is the SCT from KRC. They can suck my pee pee for what I have gone through- my mild mods are minimal in comparison. Fact is the saved themselves on solving the emmissions problem- (- blowby on startup with forged pistons- installed cheaper hypertectic pistons which swell faster) and saved money at our expense down the road. Who the hell purchases a SRT *Street Race Track vehicle and doesnt do minimal mods to it to keep it competitive??

Me thinks my new project RATTLE SNAKE will solve my durability issues and give me gobs more power and torque......

 

[Silverback]

Mopar headers come with the cat delete pipes so no need to mention it again and again- I installed the parts personally and I read their little warning on running the pipes on the street- it made me smile....... and the 94 octane tune is the SCT from KRC. They can suck my pee pee for what I have gone through- my mild mods are minimal in comparison. Fact is the saved themselves on solving the emmissions problem- (- blowby on startup with forged pistons- installed cheaper hypertectic pistons which swell faster) and saved money at our expense down the road. Who the hell purchases a SRT *Street Race Track vehicle and doesnt do minimal mods to it to keep it competitive??

Me thinks my new project RATTLE SNAKE will solve my durability issues and give me gobs more power and torque......

I'm not trying to pick on you. It's a shame that your motor went tits up, but it's part of the game we play. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. The one thing that is for sure, is that if you mod a vehicle, you will reduce it's life span. Can't be helped.

And different manufactures take different approaches to it. Generally GM and Chrysler tend to push their engines closer to the limit as they come from the factory. They both also do not release their codes to make it easy for aftermarket manufactures to develop and supply go fast goodies.

Ford on the other hand does not push the limit on their engines and supplies their codes to some aftermarket suppliers.

Best of luck on Rattle Snake if you decide to go that way.

 

[BurntRubber]

if you put in a diesel wont you have to change the gearing in the tranny. You defintly wont be hitting 5800 rpm's

 

[Ronin]

if you put in a diesel wont you have to change the gearing in the tranny. You definitely won't be hitting 5800 rpm's

...and the suspension, at least in the front, those diesels weigh a metric ton! And tuned/modded Cummins lunch trannies like finger food...their torque is monsterous! :burnout:

 

[Django]

This reminds me of the lawsuit that I wanted to bring against Chrysler for the inefficiencies of our clutch hydraulics... The slave is a total POS and represents thee weakest element of the design... everyone knows this.

With the exception one attorney.... who died of an inoperable brain tumor (go figure) Not ONE of the attorneys I contaced would so much as touch this case without tons of cash up front.....

They said, "Juries do NOT like hot rods..... especially Vipers and Viper motors. They see automobile performance enthusiasts as outlaws and trouble makers. As such, they do NOT decide favorably on behalf of these types of plaintiffs."

In my opinion, a man has a greater chance of successfully impregnating himself and bringing the baby to term that he has of succeeding in what you propose...

Sorry to piss in yer Corn Flakes..... Don't waste your money on this....

D

 

[HaulinAsp]

if you put in a diesel wont you have to change the gearing in the tranny. You defintly wont be hitting 5800 rpm's

The trans would be removed for a New Venture 5spd and possibly a Gear Vendors.

Springs for the front is easy, I know of a few rigs who swapped in the upper and lower control arms for lighter weight off the front already of their 2wd diesel trucks....



I have no other options, financially I can't build up a forged Viper and knowing that I actually use the vehicle for its intentions- SRT - and possibly have that forged build blow up also I just can't take that type of hit financially..... I am very experienced around the Cummins and am very confident on it working in this platform. With the right suspension mods and thought in the build up it will blow some minds of the performance gained. I KNOW I will leapfrog right over the 800 hp level- there are quite a few street driven 1000+ hp Cummins Common Rails already.

I have my hands on a Common Rail Cummins already for $2500 bucks.

It's sad as I REALLY loved the truck as it was. The Viper Engine had it's mystique and liniage as a supercar engine but for me sadly it was short lived.
The Viper is dead to me- unless one was to drop outta the sky, that aint gonna happen so- My new project is The RATTLE SNAKE.

I just hope the family here won't disown me and understand my reasons for undertaking the route I must go. I am down- but defineately not out.