Poll concerning our PISTONS!

[BurntRubber]

The trans would be removed for a New Venture 5spd and possibly a Gear Vendors.

Springs for the front is easy, I know of a few rigs who swapped in the upper and lower control arms for lighter weight off the front already of their 2wd diesel trucks....



I have no other options, financially I can't build up a forged Viper and knowing that I actually use the vehicle for its intentions- SRT - and possibly have that forged build blow up also I just can't take that type of hit financially..... I am very experienced around the Cummins and am very confident on it working in this platform. With the right suspension mods and thought in the build up it will blow some minds of the performance gained. I KNOW I will leapfrog right over the 800 hp level- there are quite a few street driven 1000+ hp Cummins Common Rails already.

I have my hands on a Common Rail Cummins already for $2500 bucks.

It's sad as I REALLY loved the truck as it was. The Viper Engine had it's mystique and liniage as a supercar engine but for me sadly it was short lived.
The Viper is dead to me- unless one was to drop outta the sky, that aint gonna happen so- My new project is The RATTLE SNAKE.

I just hope the family here won't disown me and understand my reasons for undertaking the route I must go. I am down- but defineately not out.

Build it how you like and then get us some dyno numbers and some track times!!! If you can turn good times I can see others following suit!!!
good luck...you are now witness to Viper tax, the engine is basic but the name is a legend already

 

[supercar1of1]

This reminds me of the lawsuit that I wanted to bring against Chrysler for the inefficiencies of our clutch hydraulics... The slave is a total POS and represents thee weakest element of the design... everyone knows this.

With the exception one attorney.... who died of an inoperable brain tumor (go figure) Not ONE of the attorneys I contaced would so much as touch this case without tons of cash up front.....

They said, "Juries do NOT like hot rods..... especially Vipers and Viper motors. They see automobile performance enthusiasts as outlaws and trouble makers. As such, they do NOT decide favorably on behalf of these types of plaintiffs."

In my opinion, a man has a greater chance of successfully impregnating himself and bringing the baby to term that he has of succeeding in what you propose...

Sorry to piss in yer Corn Flakes..... Don't waste your money on this....

D

Ever hear of the term PRO BONO? I have allways liked to see what tools I

have in my bag before making a decision, especially if the decision is to give

up.:rock:








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[Django]

Ever hear of the term PRO BONO? I have allways liked to see what tools I

have in my bag before making a decision, especially if the decision is to give

up.:rock:

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I admire your tenacity. But adding, "BTW.....will you do this for free..?" to the aforementioned difficulties I mentioned only (IMO) adds a greater degree of difficulty to the overall process....

However, You do have my best wishes on a favorable outcome.....

D

 

[FastRam]

Mopar headers come with the cat delete pipes so no need to mention it again and again- I installed the parts personally and I read their little warning on running the pipes on the street- it made me smile....... and the 94 octane tune is the SCT from KRC. They can suck my pee pee for what I have gone through- my mild mods are minimal in comparison. Fact is the saved themselves on solving the emmissions problem- (- blowby on startup with forged pistons- installed cheaper hypertectic pistons which swell faster) and saved money at our expense down the road. Who the hell purchases a SRT *Street Race Track vehicle and doesnt do minimal mods to it to keep it competitive??

Me thinks my new project RATTLE SNAKE will solve my durability issues and give me gobs more power and torque......

Is there any reason why you didn't go with Mopar's recommended engine control module for your truck, P/N P4510918 (2004), in lieu of KRC's tune using a SCT as the tool to download it to your OEM PCM/ECM? I am curious as to what changes KRC made to the tune vice Mopars, e.g fuel, timing tables, etc.

I think your idea of a killer diesel is pretty cool but make sure you take this plunge on a system approach, not only the engine and mods but suspension, tranny, rear end, etc.

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

With Django on this, most of the failures are due to bad tunes, and that is modification.

Therefore this thread is almost as useless as a Call to chrysler unfortunatly, they want do a thing, with all the vipers out there since 03 till now, they usually dont have these problems since most get them "dyno" tuned and not like a mail order hooker from Russia


but I do wish all of you the best of luck

 

[Ronin]

An attorney could take the case on contingency, so there's no money upfront, but come settlement time. That Viper lawsuit had a bunch of damages/legal fees in it which might make "this case" all the more palatable. I'd even go as far as to suggest that they be contacted directly...can't be too hard to nail them down.

 

[FastRam]

An attorney could take the case on contingency, so there's no money upfront, but come settlement time. That Viper lawsuit had a bunch of damages/legal fees in it which might make "this case" all the more palatable. I'd even go as far as to suggest that they be contacted directly...can't be too hard to nail them down.

Wasn't the payoff specific to Wisconsin's laws and limits? If this plan went forward, where would one file and on behalf of whom, even if an attorney would take on the case, assuming their was enough evidence to support the case?

 

[FastRam]

With Django on this, most of the failures are due to bad tunes, and that is modification.

Therefore this thread is almost as useless as a Call to chrysler unfortunatly, they want do a thing, with all the vipers out there since 03 till now, they usually dont have these problems since most get them "dyno" tuned and not like a mail order hooker from Russia


but I do wish all of you the best of luck

Yep, good luck calling SRT or Chrysler. And don't expect much of a response, if at all. One of the rare occurrences I saw SRT take action was with the SRT LX's and a lot of owners complaining (via the SRT chat sessions) about a front end cluck. The SRT team investigated it, tested their own vehicles and a few owners vehicles and found out the valving Bilstein (SP?) used on the front dampers was the cause of the clunk but concluded it was normal and did not impact the performance or life expectancy of the part.

 

[Ronin]

Wasn't the payoff specific to Wisconsin's laws and limits? If this plan went forward, where would one file and on behalf of whom, even if an attorney would take on the case, assuming their was enough evidence to support the case?

Good question(s)...I'm not a lawyer (but play one on the VTCOA!) but I 'spose it would be filed in Michigan, where they're corporate HQ is...

 

[supercar1of1]

An attorney could take the case on contingency, so there's no money upfront, but come settlement time. That Viper lawsuit had a bunch of damages/legal fees in it which might make "this case" all the more palatable. I'd even go as far as to suggest that they be contacted directly...can't be too hard to nail them down.

Folks, we need to slow down, it is premature to even be discussing a law suit.

I have extensive experience with civil trials and am friends with many atty's

and judges. There is a set pathway to follow which greatly increases a

parties odds of prevailing, which I am attempting to do.

The first step, is to gather as much documented information/evidence as possible that

supports your case.

The second, is to document that you made several good faith efforts with the

other side to fair and reasonably settle, leaving you no choice but to file.

I say again, we are still at step ONE!









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[FastRam]

Good question(s)...I'm not a lawyer (but play one on the VTCOA!) but I 'spose it would be filed in Michigan, where they're corporate HQ is...

I am not a lawyer either but in my professional capacities/duities taking the steps of legal action or even discretely trying to make a case can backfire if a solid case is not presented or represented. Granted in today's culture, the populous tries all kinds of crazy things, (remember the lady who spilled hot McDonald's coffee on herself) to "right a wrong". Some succeed, some don't. :dontknow:

 

[RedSrt007]

As much as I agree with what all is saying...I have to vote no on the poll. I think fighting for better part(s) for a vehicle(s) which is done with production is almost a dead-horse cause.

Not to mention, if they feel that this (read class action lawsuit) is supported / sponsored by the Viper Truck Club (www.VTCOA.com), I'm sure they can find ways to make this forum, hell for the owners; resulting in possibly unwanted results for the forum (and its members)...sorry, just looking at the bigger picture.

 

[Ronin]

...we need to slow down...

I'm hear ya barkin' dawg...just thinking out loud is all. I know on some of the other forums that SRT engineers directly interact with forum members and they're obviously as passionate about the SRT line as we all are...it's more than a job for a lot of them it seems, and that enthusiasm could serve well should this issue rise to the level of their attention.

I dunno...I'm just eye candy ...FWIW

 

[supercar1of1]

I'm hear ya barkin' dawg...just thinking out loud is all. I know on some of the other forums that SRT engineers directly interact with forum members and they're obviously as passionate about the SRT line as we all are...it's more than a job for a lot of them it seems, and that enthusiasm could serve well should this issue rise to the level of their attention.

I dunno...I'm just eye candy ...FWIW

I was not aware of that. You know, the facts are going to be what they are

no matter what.

It might not be such a bad idea for them to read the threads

over here that are directed to this issue because when you think about it we

are akin to a large fan club that has spent and maybe will spend alot of $ at

their concerts.:dontknow:











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[supercar1of1]

As much as I agree with what all is saying...I have to vote no on the poll. I think fighting for better part(s) for a vehicle(s) which is done with production is almost a dead-horse cause.

Not to mention, if they feel that this (read class action lawsuit) is supported / sponsored by the Viper Truck Club (www.VTCOA.com), I'm sure they can find ways to make this forum, hell for the owners; resulting in possibly unwanted results for the forum (and its members)...sorry, just looking at the bigger picture.

Did you see where I posted I think more than once that we are premature to

be discussing law suits?

Question: If suddenly the doors on several trucks started just falling off,

and it appeared that the calculation for the strength of the door hinges

was off. Would it be wrong to explore the possibility of some good will

assistance from the factory?

 

[blackviper]

In my opinion, posting information like this will only continue to reduce the value of our trucks. I believe there are not enough failures on unmodified engines to even discuss this. Please continue your pursuit quietly without support from the forum members unless they share your same position. Any communications on this topic should be kept at a PM level.

 

[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

either way still pissin in the wind

the failures are due to tuning, sure the pistons are crap, but fine for a "stock" truck , or lightly modified, but go trying to get the last few ponies and the pistons jsut cant take the detonation.


Find 1000 or more trucks or vipers that are completly bone ass stock that have lost there engines, then they may , repeat may listen.

but at this point, I dont think you can find one, let alone 1000

 

[supercar1of1]

either way still pissin in the wind

the failures are due to tuning, sure the pistons are crap, but fine for a "stock" truck , or lightly modified, but go trying to get the last few ponies and the pistons jsut cant take the detonation.


Find 1000 or more trucks or vipers that are completly bone ass stock that have lost there engines, then they may , repeat may listen.

but at this point, I dont think you can find one, let alone 1000

That's the point, in one of the other threads didn't someone say they were

friends with a viper tech that told him it was happening to stock trucks?

Also, what good is any forum if you cannot have open and honest dialog?

If I were Dodge I would value the true and honest opinions of my strong

supporting focus groups, which we are, and as far as value is concerned

the price of fuel("It was just announced that reg would be 5.00 by labor

day here") will have a far greater impact on these trucks than some

mechanical abnormality.












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[JTS VENOM PERFORMANCE]

That's the point, in one of the other threads didn't someone say they were

friends with a viper tech that told him it was happening to stock trucks?

Also, what good is any forum if you cannot have open and honest dialog?

If I were Dodge I would value the true and honest opinions of my strong

supporting focus groups, which we are, and as far as value is concerned

the price of fuel("It was just announced that reg would be 5.00 by labor

day here") will have a far greater impact on these trucks than some

mechanical abnormality.












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true bo, but........find one truck that went boom but that want be enough, you need a certain percentage of the total, and that just isnt going to happen witha stock truck:dontknow:

I wish you all the luck in the world, I honestly do, but man , its gonna be a tough road

 

[Prof]

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If I were Dodge I would value the true and honest opinions of my strong

supporting focus groups...

That's why you are not Dodge...

Really, you are beginning to sound like me, a long haired dope crazed idealist, that thinks the corporations should and do care about our wants and needs!

If they did we would all be in Smart Cars now rather than trucks that are slightly dysfunctional...

But I hope I am wrong, I do hope you can achieve something...by the way I have not heard from the attorney that did take them to the mat in Wisconsin...maybe (big maybe) tomorrow.