Religion VS Science

HOT RAM · Feb 11, 2009

Prof said:
While I do think the bible is full of flaws, and things that I just plain think were fabrications from people with ulterior motives...it is certainly a great work. You don't have to believe every detail, some of it is meant to be literal some is figurative.

I am not a Christian but I doubt that many would disagree that it has many lessons well worth considering.

Not everything needs to be flawless to be worthwhile.

:congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats: :congrats:

HOT RAM · Feb 11, 2009

DevilDawg3097 said:
I am a christian, I believe with all my faith, not because of others but because I made the journey for myself. One thing I do know is faith was givin to us By our Creator. religion was created by man to try and understand Faith.
But just Like everything if it falls into the wrong hands people use it to take control over others. If you cut out all the man made hysteria and added words of the Lord by mankind. Yeshua's basic message is there is more to our lives than just this world, and what you do while your here will determine on what happens after this life.Just as science tells us there are more dimensions to reality so did My Lord.JMO

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Black1 · Feb 11, 2009

jelms said:
I think people are trying to hold Einstein up as a scientist that had all the answers for religion and science which is seriously wrong. Einstein had views of what "god" is and let's please let him have his views.... He was just a person that was brilliant in what he did for science. A god is something that should be very personal to us all.

Those that want god to be a god that judges us for the things we do in this life should be able to do that. Those people that view god as an intelligence that set our universe in motion and gave it laws should be able to have that view too.

God is something very personal, and those that find "god" in any form should considered themselves blessed. Read the bible if you want, read string theory and enjoy the mathematical theory that "god" put in motion. It's all the same.

-jeff

Very well said, Jeff.

Prof · Feb 17, 2009

When you see this how can anyone deny the existence of a higher power...a master designer if you will...the world of science is replete with these kind of examples:

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

Do you know the amazing number: 142 857.
When you multiply it only numerals inside the number change their places.

142 857 * 1 = 142 857
142 857 * 2 = 285 714
3 = 428 571
4 = 571 428
5 = 714 285
6 = 857 142

And only when you multiply it by 7 it will become 999 999.
Also, 142 + 857 = 999,

14 + 28 + 57 = 99.
And: 142 857 squared 20408122449.
20408+122449 = 142 857

111111111 * 111111111 = 12345678987654321

Black1 · Feb 17, 2009

Some only know the BIBLE, Roy..... :dontknow: Some cannot accept the true DEPTH of the Creator... The maker of all that IS.

KRAZYSRT10 · Feb 17, 2009

Prof said:
When you see this how can anyone deny the existence of a higher power...a master designer if you will...the world of science is replete with these kind of examples:

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

Do you know the amazing number: 142 857.
When you multiply it only numerals inside the number change theirs places.

142 857 * 1 = 142 857
142 857 * 2 = 285 714
3 = 428 571
4 = 571 428
5 = 714 285
6 = 857 142

And only when you multiply it on 7 it will become 999 999.
Also, 142 + 857 = 999,

14 + 28 + 57 = 99.
And: 142 857 squared 20408122449.
20408+122449 = 142 857

111111111 * 111111111 = 12345678987654321

010111
+101100= ???

Don't make me go Hexi or Octal on your ass....

Black1 · Feb 17, 2009

KRAZYSRT10 said:
010111
+101100= ???

Don't make me go Hexi or Octal on your ass....

Ah... 1's AND 0'S ..... It's WEIRD how the creators of the InternetZ made it out of 1's and 0's, isn't it?

:marchmellow:

KRAZYSRT10 · Feb 17, 2009

Black1 said:
Ah... 1's AND 0'S ..... It's WEIRD how the creators of the InternetZ made it out of 1's and 0's, isn't it? :marchmellow:

Goes further back than that bro...

(Must be an inside job....

)

Prof · Feb 17, 2009

Bases different than 10 have the same kind of amazing numbers...science and religion can and do go hand in hand...we just have not found all of the data to support the concept yet.

KRAZYSRT10 · Feb 17, 2009

Prof said:
Bases different than 10 have the same kind of amazing numbers...science and religion can and do go hand in hand...we just have not found all of the data to support the concept yet.

Here is a goddamned scientific question....Why do people see the light at the end of the tunnel when they think they are dying but God never answers my prayers?:dontknow:

....and I am tired of hearing that stupid bullkrap about how he answers prayers in mysterious ways....actually, I am just freakin tired....Krazy out.

Black1 · Feb 17, 2009

Prof said:
Bases different than 10 have the same kind of amazing numbers...science and religion can and do go hand in hand...we just have not found all of the data to support the concept yet.

.................. Most of the greatest discoveries and the OLDEST documentation of "gods" have been destroyed by our own (read ancestor's) hands...... we may never know, because of GREED from our own ancestors.

...... EXAMPLES...... CRUSADES, ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, SPANISH INQUISITION, DESTRUCTION OF THE Aztec's.... WARS causing the confiscation of BOOKS and WRITINGS..... King Edward's Censorship of the BIBLE..... If you TRULY engulf yourself into these things, you will come up with a common therory...... ALL RELIGIONS ARE EQUAL.... They all have the same theme.... BUDDHISTS, HEBREWS, Thai, Christians, Muslims, Scientology, Mayans, Pagans, Greek, Roman, etc....... It's ALL the same basic plan.... and it's plain SCARY when you get to this conclusion.

HOT RAM · Feb 17, 2009

KRAZYSRT10 said:
Here is a goddamned scientific question....Why do people see the light at the end of the tunnel when they think they are dying but God never answers my prayers?:dontknow:

....and I am tired of hearing that stupid bullkrap about how he answers prayers in mysterious ways....actually, I am just freakin tired....Krazy out.

The answer to that question lies within the pages of GOD's Word.There are different types of prayers and different ways to pray them.
God is only obligated to answer the prayer of faith : "What things soever ye desire,WHEN you pray,believe that ye receive them,and ye shall, have them"

This is quite an over-simplified explanation,but all I have the energy to type tonight. Easiest way to say it is : You have to believe you HAVE RECEIVED what you pray for BEFORE you ever see it,or you will never see it .That is FAITH. (Hebrews 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped,the evidence of things not yet seen.

Faith comes from understanding,and understanding comes from GOD's Word.

HOT RAM · Feb 17, 2009

Prof said:
When you see this how can anyone deny the existence of a higher power...a master designer if you will...the world of science is replete with these kind of examples:

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

Do you know the amazing number: 142 857.
When you multiply it only numerals inside the number change their places.

142 857 * 1 = 142 857
142 857 * 2 = 285 714
3 = 428 571
4 = 571 428
5 = 714 285
6 = 857 142

And only when you multiply it by 7 it will become 999 999.
Also, 142 + 857 = 999,

14 + 28 + 57 = 99.
And: 142 857 squared 20408122449.
20408+122449 = 142 857

111111111 * 111111111 = 12345678987654321

I LOVE numbers !!!!!!!!!! I really believe that GOD is a master mathemetician :rock:

How about the number 9 ?

3x9 = 27 (2 +7 = 9)
9x9 + 81 (8=1 + 9)
2x9= 18 (1 +8= 9)
4x9=36 (3+6=9)
9+9 = 18 .......you get the idea

SilvrSRT10 · Feb 17, 2009

Here's one for you Nelson.

Three men rent a hotel room. Each pays $10 for a total of $30 spent on the room. The next day the hotel owner tells the three men that they over paid for the room as it only costs $25. The three men tell the owner to give them each a dollar back and he can keep two dollars.

If you do the math, each man paid $9 a piece for the room for a total of $27. The owner kept $2 which brings the total to $29.

The question is where did the other dollar go?:dontknow:

GADodgetech · Feb 17, 2009

SilvrSRT10 said:
Here's one for you Nelson.

Three men rent a hotel room. Each pays $10 for a total of $30 spent on the room. The next day the hotel owner tells the three men that they over paid for the room as it only costs $25. The three men tell the owner to give them each a dollar back and he can keep two dollars.

If you do the math, each man paid $9 a piece for the room for a total of $27. The owner kept $2 which brings the total to $29.

The question is where did the other dollar go?:dontknow:

The owner kept the two dollars on top of the 25 which made it 27.

Django · Feb 17, 2009

This is a fascinating conversation. And I thought I could stay the hell out of it....... but I just can't.... I have no intention of stepping on anyone's toes or correcting anyone's doctrine. But, forgive me if I do:

Kris, nobody can make God conform to what THEY want to happen in life by adhering to some set of supposed Biblical principles.... and contextualizing Mark 11:24 with Hebrews 11:1 is not a mystical magic formula for "MY WILL BE DONE". It just doesn't work like that.... and resurrecting all the ghosts of A.W. Tozer, John G. Lake, Kenyon and Kenneth Hagin Sr can NOT make it so....

Things in Life .... even hard, brutal and devastating things... happen for a reason.... just like God created evil itself for a reason...... It could be to enable us to become more kind and caring persons..... maybe it's because we are too egotistical and need to work on developing greater humility....it's hard to say.... God works individually (like this) in each facet of our characters until we finally grow up and get over ourselves.

Life is hard...... It was meant to be that way..... If it was easy we wouldn't learn or change a thing in or about our messed up selves..... Humans have tremendous potential. But we will never realize our true potential without being tried and tested on a regular basis..... and there's no way out of it that I've found.... even after searching desperately for almost 60 years....

There's no way to "hot wire" your prayers. God isn't our personal short order cook... and some prayers are not answered with a yes. There is only "Thy will be done" ...and that (my friend) is the facts (according to Django) about prayer......

tadp

FATJACK · Feb 17, 2009

OK Guys, Help me with this. I feel that I am a Christian, I believe in God, I was born a Southern Baptist but I have a real problem believing in the afterlife. I truly feel that is only wishful thinking that we will be will our Loved ones after we die. Jesus says He will prepare a place for us if we believe. Am I just showing my ignorance or what?

Django · Feb 17, 2009

FATJACK said:
OK Guys, Help me with this. I feel that I am a Christian, I believe in God, I was born a Southern Baptist but I have a real problem believing in the afterlife. I truly feel that is only wishful thinking that we will be will our Loved ones after we die. Jesus says He will prepare a place for us if we believe. Am I just showing my ignorance or what?

Nope............ Hope and belief are the two sides of the same coin called Faith...

I've been hoping and believing in the Promise of a Hereafter since childhood......

Hold on to your Faith just like we all must do. It couldn't hurt and it gives us hope that there is truly a Creator and that His plan is Eternal.

I still believe........

D

FATJACK · Feb 17, 2009

Django said:
Nope............ Hope and belief are the two sides of the same coin called Faith...

I've been hoping and believing in the Promise of a Hereafter since childhood......

Hold on to your Faith just like we all must do. It couldn't hurt and it gives us hope that there is truly a Creator and that His plan is Eternal.

I still believe........

D

That helps Tim, I knew I could count on you, Thanks...

Django · Feb 17, 2009

FATJACK said:
That helps Tim, I knew I could count on you, Thanks...

I guessed......:dontknow:

D

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