Religion VS Science

[includemeout]

Jerry, you really need to think about that statement...seriously...I would suggest that it might be true in the minds of Christians for Christians...and that covers about 30 % of humanity...what about the other children of God?

And yes, religion and science can go hand in hand...but not if the desire on the part of either is to control rather than understand.

That is what I believe not a religion Roy Sheeeesh
Religion is a man made corrupt enterprise that I have no part of.

As far as the other people on this planet I wish them well and hope their god, or whatever does for them what my God has done for me, it is a personal choice for all, that is also my belief.

Science is an interesting thing as it seems to always be coming up with a new explanation about most everything, but then it to is mans creation.

Once I saw 3 scientists going head over heals about what they had created.
the1St one said, look I have created a new life form from just dirt.
the 2nd one said ,I have created a whole new element from the dirt.
and the third one said from just dirt I have created 10,000 new antibiotics.

Just then a thundering voice from God was heard.............Get Your Own Dirt

 

[includemeout]

So far it's been proven to me time and time again that God does not ignore my prayers. When things seem to be unbearable or grim, it is He I turn to for guidance and strength. And no matter where I am I feel his presence and receive his warmth. To me this is amazing and definitely worth mentioning because I am such a firm believer in science yet He doesn't forsake me. This causes me to embrace Him more. Balancing the two (science and religion) is difficult I think because I am a mere mortal limited to human understanding and senses.

It is amazing, truly amazing the peace that he gives us.

 

[Prof]

No, but the only way to the Father is thru the Son and that is a gift that has been given to all that will take it, and it is free, for He stands at your door and you have but to open it.:rock: :rock:

But do you not think that the concept of getting to the Father thru the Son is a creation of religion?

Why would God feel that there must be a specific intermediary...and if he does say that is it not possible that Abraham, Moses, Mohammad, Krishna, Budah, and others are also intermediaries for different people in different places and at different times?


Not arguing, just trying to understand your perspective.

 

[Ram From Hell]

Jerry, you really need to think about that statement...seriously...I would suggest that it might be true in the minds of Christians for Christians...and that covers about 30 % of humanity...what about the other children of God?

And yes, religion and science can go hand in hand...but not if the desire on the part of either is to control rather than understand.

Now that is a post that fits with the theme of this thread.

Still, is this not a thread about religion vs. science, rather than about god vs. science? I've read post after nauseating post about god's word and god's love and what god means to me (100% Christian in origin), but little of substantial argument for religion itself as it compares and conflicts with science.

Most of you are either missing the point, or using this thread to extol the virtues of your religion and faith.

For crying out loud. Debate the topic rather than waxing poetic about your love of god.:argh:

 

[Northwest Venom]

Now that is a post that fits with the theme of this thread.

Still, is this not a thread about religion vs. science, rather than about god vs. science? I've read post after nauseating post about god's word and god's love and what god means to me (100% Christian in origin), but little of substantial argument for religion itself as it compares and conflicts with science.

Most of you are either missing the point, or using this thread to extol the virtues of your religion and faith.

For crying out loud. Debate the topic rather than waxing poetic about your love of god.:argh:

Hey man God is good and everyones should know.

 

[Ram From Hell]

Hey man God is good and everyones should know.

That's nice.

You know, I feel the same way about sex. However, it has nothing more to do with a discussion/debate/argument about the topic of this thread than professing one's affinity for their chosen religion or its designated deity. Complementing your god or going on about what it makes you feel in your pants has as much bearing on a discussion of religion vs. science as saying that Chevrolet is a superior brand because you happen to like it, and agree with their corporate philosophy.

Now, if you were to say "I love Jesus, therefore particle physics cannot exist", I could at least give you credit for trying.

I really can't fault the lot of you for doing what you're pastor/priest/shaman tell you to. The only thing that makes a religion "real" is the people who profess it, after all. Were all the faithful to evaporate one day (please, no BS retorts about the rapture), and all that were left were non-believers, it really wouldn't matter if god(s) existed anymore. Much like a tree falling in an empty forest. If no one is left who cares, who cares?

So, hit us with something that piques our interest as it relates to religion and science, lest the rest of us die of boredom. Unless by not doing so I can become a martyr, and claim my virgins. Then I too won't care.

 

[Django]

"Love ye, one another......" (whenever possible).


D

 

[Prof]

"Love ye, one another......" (whenever possible).


D

Or in the words of Kurt Vonnegut:

'Goddamn it, you've got to be kind!'

 

[DevilDawg3097]

Heres something we all forget, God, The Creator, or whatever you may want to call him, God gives us what we are in need of not that of want. Today alot of people confuse there needs with wants once you distiguish the two, you will know when your prayers get answered.JMO

 

[Django]

Heres something we all forget, God, The Creator, or whatever you may want to call him, God gives us what we are in need of not that of want. Today alot of people confuse there needs with wants once you distiguish the two, you will know when your prayers get answered.JMO

"Give me thy S/C 700hp SRT-10 truck" ........ In Jesus Name.....Amen

D

 

[DevilDawg3097]

That's nice.

You know, I feel the same way about sex. However, it has nothing more to do with a discussion/debate/argument about the topic of this thread than professing one's affinity for their chosen religion or its designated deity. Complementing your god or going on about what it makes you feel in your pants has as much bearing on a discussion of religion vs. science as saying that Chevrolet is a superior brand because you happen to like it, and agree with their corporate philosophy.

Now, if you were to say "I love Jesus, therefore particle physics cannot exist", I could at least give you credit for trying.

I really can't fault the lot of you for doing what you're pastor/priest/shaman tell you to. The only thing that makes a religion "real" is the people who profess it, after all. Were all the faithful to evaporate one day (please, no BS retorts about the rapture), and all that were left were non-believers, it really wouldn't matter if god(s) existed anymore. Much like a tree falling in an empty forest. If no one is left who cares, who cares?

So, hit us with something that piques our interest as it relates to religion and science, lest the rest of us die of boredom. Unless by not doing so I can become a martyr, and claim my virgins. Then I too won't care.

No the rapture was created by another man in the late 18 and early 1900's along with dispensation, bs. also scieance has help prove alot of the stories are more a fact then a figment of ones imagination. First I believe in God and science. And some of darwins bs is true we do evolve we get smarter we get stronger and adapt to situations so do animals. But to believe we came from apes then who is more childish the one who believes in God or the bible or the one who believe a monkey is superior to you. One created the other so again it is all once again a matter of opinoin. I will find the article but archeologists have discovered bones of homosapien, neanderthal and the sapaiens bones where older by a few thousand years, that kinda disprove darwins theory right there but again who controls what. As the saying goes we'll see who is right in the end Drinks are on me

 

[DevilDawg3097]

"Give me thy S/C 700hp SRT-10 truck" ........ In Jesus Name.....Amen

D

see now that is a want because I am still trying to find out why I need it Ill sell it to ya? Besides Jesus doesnt need one he rides shotgun in mine all the time:marchmellow: :marchmellow:

 

[HOT RAM]

Nelson,

I love ya' my friend...... But while you were looking up 2nd Timothy 2:15 Being a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.... (which I did not have to look up to quote) You should have checked the OT (old testament) .... Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Take it or leave it, that's what the book says.....

D

While I was looking it up ?! While I was looking it up ? So you just assume that or what ? You just assume that I don't know it by heart ?

Why is that ? :dontknow: :dontknow:


When we look at the "evil" you just mentioned (btw,did you look it up or quote it from memory ? ),is it addressing moral evil i.e., "sin" ,or is it addressing physical evil i.e., earthquakes,floods etc. ???:dontknow:

For God to actually create moral evil,He would have to have it within Him. How could he create it if it did not originate from Him ? That is absurd !

 

[Prof]

No the rapture was created by another man in the late 18 and early 1900's along with dispensation, bs. also scieance has help prove alot of the stories are more a fact then a figment of ones imagination. First I believe in God and science. And some of darwins bs is true we do evolve we get smarter we get stronger and adapt to situations so do animals. But to believe we came from apes then who is more childish the one who believes in God or the bible or the one who believe a monkey is superior to you. One created the other so again it is all once again a matter of opinoin. I will find the article but archeologists have discovered bones of homosapien, neanderthal and the sapaiens bones where older by a few thousand years, that kinda disprove darwins theory right there but again who controls what. As the saying goes we'll see who is right in the end Drinks are on me

There is no claim that man came from apes anywhere in science.

There is a theory that there is a common ancestor...but a distinctly different path.

"The theory states that man, through a combination of environmental and genetic factors, emerged as a species to produce the variety of ethnicities seen today, while modern apes evolved on a separate evolutionary pathway. Perhaps the most famous proponent of evolutionary theory is Charles Darwin (1809-82) who authored The Origin of Species (1859) to describe his theory of evolution. It was based largely on observations which he made during his 5-year voyage around the world aboard the HMS Beagle (1831-36). Since then, mankind's origin has generally been explained from an evolutionary perspective. Moreover, the theory of man's evolution has been and continues to be modified as new findings are discovered, revisions to the theory are adopted, and earlier concepts proven incorrect are discarded."

And note that it is a theory as is most of science, not because it is wrong, but because we constantly learn more and more and that new knowledge alters assumptions used previously in developing theory.

Saying that man evolved from apes or monkeys is just distortion of the theory.

But your post about needs vrs. wants was very, very insightful!

 

[HOT RAM]

Heres something we all forget, God, The Creator, or whatever you may want to call him, God gives us what we are in need of not that of want. Today alot of people confuse there needs with wants once you distiguish the two, you will know when your prayers get answered.JMO

I get what you are saying ,but if God gives us what we need,why are so many innocent children starving to death ? Why are so many sick people dying from lack of health ?

I respectfully disagree.God is only obligated to respond to the cry/plea/prayer/petition of faith.He is not obligated to solve all of mans problems.Well,actually He already did : Jesus.Whatever the problem,Jesus is the answer :rock:

We are taught that we dont receive because we don't ask or we ask and don't receive because we ask "amiss,that ye may consume it upon your lusts".So ,we can't just pray for anything at all and expect to get it.We can ask for ANYTHING God promised to us in His word.We can ask in faith because we already have the answer

 

[Demon 8]

We are taught that we dont receive because we don't ask or we ask and don't receive because we ask "amiss,that ye may consume it upon your lusts".So ,we can't just pray for anything at all and expect to get it.We can ask for ANYTHING God promised to us in His word.We can ask in faith because we already have the answer

You should be on TV

 

[Demon 8]

Much of (so-called) science today is agenda driven and therefore grossly suspect.

D

You did qualify this with (much of) so I guess it shouldn't bother me, I would say SOME of science today is agenda driven because in order to get funding for research they would rather do they need to kiss ass to get paid, I would imagine Phillip Morris paid of a scientist in the day to say smoking isnt bad for you, but I would also assume that the same scientist may have learned more about the dangers of smoking in the process that furthered quality research.
Doctors, scientists and lawyers didnt get into the profession they are in to be corrupt, sadly it is probably the best way to make the most money in those professions though:dontknow:

 

[Prof]

Your sarcasm is not going to win you any style points

However ,you are forgetting that your prayer has to based on the Word.Nowhere in the WORD does God promise you a Viper.You can pray for a Viper but you can't pray for someone else's viper (the word covetousness comes to mind).That persons will is involved.That s the same reason we can't pray that everyone will be saved and have it answered because God will not a persons free will.

When God says He will give you the desires of your heart,does that mean giving you what you want in your heart,or does that mean putting the correct desire in your heart ?

Can you explain anything without reference to your religious book? How did people make decisions before it existed?

Just asking?

 

[Django]

Your sarcasm is not going to win you any style points

However ,you are forgetting that your prayer has to based on the Word.Nowhere in the WORD does God promise you a Viper.You can pray for a Viper but you can't pray for someone else's viper (the word covetousness comes to mind).That persons will is involved.That s the same reason we can't pray that everyone will be saved and have it answered because God will not a persons free will.

When God says He will give you the desires of your heart,does that mean giving you what you want in your heart,or does that mean putting the correct desire in your heart ?

Nelson, I love you.....

You have more slippery responses than an eel on a chopping block.

You will never convince me of any of this "Word of Faith" crap.... I led worship for and with Jesse Duplantiss, Jerry Savelle and a host of other big names in the movement..... They know me by name.... I lived within the "Word of Faith" community for 25 fkn years and watched half those guys go to prison like Bob Tilton and Jim Baker..... (it's a deceitful, corrupt and potentially lethal doctrine)

I know you won't give it up. But you can't say one thing that I haven't said (in error) myself over a thousand times......

I still love ya, though bro..... No horseshit........:congrats:

D

 

[HOT RAM]

You should be on TV

Is that for real or being facetious ?

I already have been (seriously)
And wrote books and put out magazines,not that it matters