Roe Intercooler Interest

Jay that sounds great. I seriously considering using carbon fiber for the main body of the intake and using a machinable ceramic near the heads for the injector and fuel rail mounts. I don't think there is much we can do about the heat generated within the SC though. I would seriously consider coating the inside and outside of my intake as well. The air will make 3 passes through the laminova cores before entering the heads so most of the heat from supercharging will be removed then. I will have my intake flow benched first to verify I still have the necessary CFMs moving through (no reason it shouldn't).
 
Jay, I'm not sure the coating would work. It looks like the coating may affect the natural heat transfer of aluminum. On our FI application. I would believe that it would be more critical letting the heat out than in.

At 15lbs, the IAT should get close to 260 degress. The intercooler cooler I'm havng made should bring the temperature down about 100 degress. The remaining 30 to 40 degrees will get cooled by Methanol. My goal is to get the IAT down to 120 to 130 degrees.
 
This is a really neat coating, it slow heat getting in, while helping it get out faster..

Yesterday after the truck was sitting for 2 hours. the engine was cold. but the intake was still warm.

I don't think this is a substitute for the coolers. But along with them............... GREATNESS ;)

When I get mine from you, I'll send the intake to Frank Racing Inc. and have it coated.

The difference on that callenger was amazing and heat is heat, it works.
 
Coating an Intake Manifold

There are two reasons for coating an intake manifold. The first would be Performance, the second Appearance. Let's discuss Performance first.

In this instance, you are dealing with heat that is generated by the engine. You will also aquire heat from the hot oil that may be tossed up under the underside of the intake manifold. This means we want to apply a thermal barrier ( TLLB, CBC2, CBX, MCX ) to the bottom of the intake manifold, the flange area where it would bolt to the head and also the flange area where the carburator would bolt to the intake manifold. This will reduce the amount of heat that enters the manifold itself, keeping the manifold cooler. Typically, a normally asperated engine will see a 1% improvement in power for every 10 degree drop in carb air inlet temperature. A Turbo charged engine will see a 2% increase. Keeping the manifold cooler than normal allows an engine to generate more horse power. In addition to this, you would coat the top of the manifold with a thermal dispersant such as our TLTD. This means that the heat that does get into the intake manifold will be more rapidly dispersed into the air moving over it, thus cooling the intake manifold further. This gives you a greater chance of creating more horse power by reducing the inlet temperature. You can also coat the inside of the runners in an intake manifold. You can use 1 or 2 coatings. A single coating that we recommend would be our dry film ( DFL-1, TLML or CERMA LUBE ). These are known as 'fluid retaining coatings' and the fuel/air mix as it passes through an intake manifold on a carburated engine is treated like a 'fluid in motion'. The coating will have a tendency to create a small amount of boundry layer turbulance which will reduce fuel drop-out. You may also apply a thermal barrier to the inside of a runner first, then the dry film over it. If you're doing this, we recommend using our TLLB with TLML over the top of it. You not only create the boundry layer turbulance, you further reduce the amount of heat that does enter the fuel/air mix.

On the cosmetic side, while the TLTD is a very nice-looking coating, it is Black. If someone is looking for more show and they like a bright, polished appearance, then Cermakrome, as an example, can be used. Since Cermakrome is a thermal barrier, we recommend that you coat the bottom and the top. In this way, while you're inhibiting the amount of heat that can be dispersed from the top of the manifold because of it being coated, you're reducing the amount of heat that can be absorbed by the manifold because of the same coating on the bottom. Thus, you are at least creating an equalibrium and not dealing with a heat problem. The coating is extremely high temperature resistant, does not blue or discolor like chrome, does not oxidize significantly as a polished aluminized surface will, so you can maintain a very nice, high-polished surface not affected by fuel oils and solvents.


http://www.techlinecoatings.com/articles/Coating_Intake_Manifold_Article.htm
 
bigike said:
Coating an Intake Manifold

There are two reasons for coating an intake manifold. The first would be Performance, the second Appearance. Let's discuss Performance first.

In this instance, you are dealing with heat that is generated by the engine. You will also aquire heat from the hot oil that may be tossed up under the underside of the intake manifold. This means we want to apply a thermal barrier ( TLLB, CBC2, CBX, MCX ) to the bottom of the intake manifold, the flange area where it would bolt to the head and also the flange area where the carburator would bolt to the intake manifold. This will reduce the amount of heat that enters the manifold itself, keeping the manifold cooler. Typically, a normally asperated engine will see a 1% improvement in power for every 10 degree drop in carb air inlet temperature. A Turbo charged engine will see a 2% increase. Keeping the manifold cooler than normal allows an engine to generate more horse power. In addition to this, you would coat the top of the manifold with a thermal dispersant such as our TLTD. This means that the heat that does get into the intake manifold will be more rapidly dispersed into the air moving over it, thus cooling the intake manifold further. This gives you a greater chance of creating more horse power by reducing the inlet temperature. You can also coat the inside of the runners in an intake manifold. You can use 1 or 2 coatings. A single coating that we recommend would be our dry film ( DFL-1, TLML or CERMA LUBE ). These are known as 'fluid retaining coatings' and the fuel/air mix as it passes through an intake manifold on a carburated engine is treated like a 'fluid in motion'. The coating will have a tendency to create a small amount of boundry layer turbulance which will reduce fuel drop-out. You may also apply a thermal barrier to the inside of a runner first, then the dry film over it. If you're doing this, we recommend using our TLLB with TLML over the top of it. You not only create the boundry layer turbulance, you further reduce the amount of heat that does enter the fuel/air mix.

On the cosmetic side, while the TLTD is a very nice-looking coating, it is Black. If someone is looking for more show and they like a bright, polished appearance, then Cermakrome, as an example, can be used. Since Cermakrome is a thermal barrier, we recommend that you coat the bottom and the top. In this way, while you're inhibiting the amount of heat that can be dispersed from the top of the manifold because of it being coated, you're reducing the amount of heat that can be absorbed by the manifold because of the same coating on the bottom. Thus, you are at least creating an equalibrium and not dealing with a heat problem. The coating is extremely high temperature resistant, does not blue or discolor like chrome, does not oxidize significantly as a polished aluminized surface will, so you can maintain a very nice, high-polished surface not affected by fuel oils and solvents.


http://www.techlinecoatings.com/articles/Coating_Intake_Manifold_Article.htm
sweet c and p:D :D
 
Of course, one sometimes must show off one's work................. I'm published, and roy is jealous! tenure that beatch! ;)
 
bigike said:
Of course, one sometimes must show off one's work................. I'm published, and roy is jealous! tenure that beatch! ;)


A major reason that I am an Adjunct Professor...so I do not have to publish or suck up for tenure!
 
Any thoughts on ceramic coating the bottom of the intake? It should act as a thermal barrier between the block and the intake.
 
LOL.

Im doing my intake. I think it will be about 600 or 700 bucks. But the difference in temperature was that drastic of a change on that challenger...... This is much, much more technical than a simple ceramic coating.
 
Intercooler should be done next week. I'll post pics as soon as possible.
 
I will probably end up around $2800.00 for the whole setup. That includes the heat exchanger, the custom resevoir, the hoses, the pump, the spacer plate and the intercooler.
 
blackviper said:
I will probably end up around $2800.00 for the whole setup. That includes the heat exchanger, the custom resevoir, the hoses, the pump, the spacer plate and the intercooler.

That is one hell of a deal! Mine won't be anywhere near that price IF I actually decided to sell one. You will be setting the new bar on Roe TS performance.......:rock: :D
 
blackviper said:
I will probably end up around $2800.00 for the whole setup. That includes the heat exchanger, the custom resevoir, the hoses, the pump, the spacer plate and the intercooler.


that is gonna fun! Cant wait to ditch the restrictor plates for an intercooler.

Gonna have to sell another car for this but will be worth it
 
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