UPS MAN DELIVERY! BM SHIFTER

[John Stuttle]

avcts - the stick is straight, but is just right and does not need a bend. It is comfortable like it is.

john

 

[Srt10Addict]

Boomer - why do you castigate me every time I post this simple low cost mod?

I am not discussing shifter mechanisms. I am apprising fellow owners about a lever. As I, and hopefully you, learned in Physics 101, a lever is a device that is used to overcome resistance at a second point. It involves moving a load around a pivot (fulcrum)using force.

Now when you shorten the lever you shorten the distance from point A to B. This shorter lever will require more force (read energy) to get from point A to B, but the distance the lever travels will be shorter.

I am really surprised that you did not pick this up in your basic physics class. I guess that affirms I do not need a engineering degree to know simple laws of physics.

Your statement of " do the trig math on that" has no bearing or relavance in this simple physics concept. If you would like me to help you elucidate a mathamatical problem, just let me know.

And does your statement "this is the most retarded thing i have heard to date." still stand?

By the way, where did you get your degree?

John

very well said.

 

[avcts]

Well guys,

All kidding aside. I'm having issues with this BM. Maybe, this shifter is defective. It sounds like a glass jar with about 10 BB's in it.

Throw is the same as my cut OEM or about 4.25". When I measured stock, it was about 5.25". Gear selection is alittle better than stock. Noticabley, down shifting.

Gary....what is the throw distance on yours?

 

[John Stuttle]

Gary - I just picked up this quote from you on the thread titled "X-Metal Generation IV Shifter Review / Ratings !! " on 07-12-2006, at 02:38 PM, post #31, you said:

"The lower height adjustments work better for racing use. It shortens the throw & centers the shifter"

Wow! How could you ever say I was full of it!

john

 

[RedRamRules]

If you want a shorter stick for your original Hurst shifter get the Hurst 10" Part Number 5387991. You will have to enlarge the two mounting holes from 1/2" to 9/16" which is very easy to do with any hand drill.

If you don't have the propensity to drill it, ship it to me and paypal me $17, I will drill it and ship it back to you!

This stick will shorten your throw by 33% over stock, which is as much, or more than any aftermarket shifter. I use it everyday.

Summit part number HUU-5387991 $52.99

Hope this helps - john

John-

How could buing a new stick improve shifting feel, if I may ask. As much as this seems as a cheap fix, this modification (to me at least) would have no impact on internal shifter components. If I am wrong please let me know, this is a serious question.

All kidding aside. I'm having issues with this BM. Maybe, this shifter is defective. It sounds like a glass jar with about 10 BB's in it.

Sorry to hear that, hope these problems get ironed out.

 

[mauiSRT/10]

Well guys,

All kidding aside. I'm having issues with this BM. Maybe, this shifter is defective. It sounds like a glass jar with about 10 BB's in it.

Throw is the same as my cut OEM or about 4.25". When I measured stock, it was about 5.25". Gear selection is alittle better than stock. Noticabley, down shifting.

That sucks! Make sure if you are using it, the spacer nut is snug. I know when I installed Boomers gen 1 shifter that spacer was rattleing like a sumbitch. Tighened her down and noise was minimal.

Good luck.

patrick

 

[John Stuttle]

Juan - This short stick mod will not transmute your original shifter from it's inherent qualities. It will shorten the throw and thus the time it takes to complete the shift. Your shifter will feel different with this change, but just from the variance of the actual shift.

I have learned that we all have a tendency to over-manage (read muscle) our shifting, especially the 2-3 shift. The original Hurst shifter is self-centering and I believe that if you practice an open palm shift from 2-3 you will soon discover that you very seldom, if at all, will miss that shift again.

john

 

[avcts]

What spacer nut? I see nothing. :dontknow:

 

[RedSrt007]

There is no spacer on the B&M shifter, its has a completely re-designed base which incorporates the height all together. As for the notice or 'rattling', I would call B&M tech support, they are VERY good about it....as I do not have that in mine...

 

[avcts]

Im working with them now.

Im going to the track with my OE Hurst for the moment...

Anybody want this Hurst level to play with? 7.75" total length.

25.00 and a couple of bucks to ship it USPS.

 

[RedRamRules]

Juan - This short stick mod will not transmute your original shifter from it's inherent qualities. It will shorten the throw and thus the time it takes to complete the shift. Your shifter will feel different with this change, but just from the variance of the actual shift.

I have learned that we all have a tendency to over-manage (read muscle) our shifting, especially the 2-3 shift. The original Hurst shifter is self-centering and I believe that if you practice an open palm shift from 2-3 you will soon discover that you very seldom, if at all, will miss that shift again.

john

Thanks John! :rock:

 

[BOOMER]

Boomer - why do you castigate me every time I post this simple low cost mod?

I am not discussing shifter mechanisms. I am apprising fellow owners about a lever. As I, and hopefully you, learned in Physics 101, a lever is a device that is used to overcome resistance at a second point. It involves moving a load around a pivot (fulcrum)using force.

Now when you shorten the lever you shorten the distance from point A to B. This shorter lever will require more force (read energy) to get from point A to B, but the distance the lever travels will be shorter.

I am really surprised that you did not pick this up in your basic physics class. I guess that affirms I do not need a engineering degree to know simple laws of physics.

Your statement of " do the trig math on that" has no bearing or relevance in this simple physics concept. If you would like me to help you elucidate a mathematical problem, just let me know.

And does your statement "this is the most retarded thing i have heard to date." still stand?

By the way, where did you get your degree?

John

yes, my statement still stands.
no matter how you cut the lever, or replace it, you are not changing the internal componets that engage the transmission actuator, or the shifter mechanicals that control the movements of the lever. my shifter, locks into each gear and reduces the throw by engineering a new fulcrum point.
doing the trig, you will see that your bloated % gain is WAY WRONG.
you simply DO NOT get that much gain, AND the shifting gets harder and doenst improve that much. you said that it is more of a gain than you could get with an aftermarket shifter-that is the retarded statement, and i should have explained in detail why you are misled in your thinking.
grab an inkpen in the middle with your thumb and first finger. move the top end about a 1" and notice the bottem moves the same amount. NOW slide your 2 fingers up the pin to a HIGHER fulcrum point, and move the pen 1"-measured at the top-and look at the dramatic gain of movement at the bottom of the pen. you moved the pin the same distance at the top, but gained more movement at the bottom. thats ONE of the things my shifter does-you dont have to move the lever as much to cover the same distance in the tranny. THATS WHY CUTTING THE STICK DOENST HAVE THAT MUCH IMPACT ON LEVER MOVEMENT-THE FULCRUM POINT IS STILL THERE. now if you want to challenge my engineering degree anytime, let me know, i would be glad to challenge your google skills.
i dont have anything against your or your ideas, but dont try to back door me or BM with the fact that you have other agendas, and you and i both know what you are all about.
if you want to do a lost cost mod, thats awesome, i will applaud you for doing so, but likewise dont try to push it off as the end all, when there the laws of physics, and basic rules of engineering say that it wont work as well as you claim, i will call BS.

 

[John Stuttle]

" on 07-12-2006, at 02:38 PM, post #31, you said:

"The lower height adjustments work better for racing use. It shortens the throw & centers the shifter"

Gary - with all that said - can you elucidate on how your statement above deviates from the theory that I have presented, but that you now abjure?

Now where did you get your degree?

john

 

[FaSt ReD SrT10]

Gary - with all that said - can you elucidate on how your statement above deviates from the theory that I have presented, but that you now abjure?

Now where did you get your degree?

john

John, just give it up... Everything that Gary says makes sence man...

I would personally like to see you try to build one tiny piece of his shifter...

And stop using such big words on purpose... it doesn't make you look any smarter

 

[BOOMER]

Gary - with all that said - can you elucidate on how your statement above deviates from the theory that I have presented, but that you now abjure?

Now where did you get your degree?

john

i just did, you didnt read that the fulcrum point is still in the same place?????
why do you think Vipers who have the same basic layout tranny that the trucks have, yet they constantly change their shifters out, be it for roadracing or drag racing-they change their shifters out AND the lever on a Viper shifter is 3"s long,NOT TO MENTION that its only 3" long, but its attachment point is 1/2" lower on the actuator to keep it under the console. that alone provides insight that a shorter lever dosent help the true problem.

you want my degrees, and my military background records? you want to take this a place you will regret? anytime you want to get personal, car wash boy. let me know

 

[eddie102870]

john your not but about 180 miles from boomer, ride to his shop and let him show you what hes talking about, that would settle this.

 

[BOOMER]

john your not but about 180 miles from boomer, ride to his shop and let him show you what hes talking about, that would settle this.

hell yes, i welcome the oppurtunity, he could personally install one of my shifter into his truck, and compare it to his lever fix. no ill feelings, just a simple demostration
while he is at it, he can look at my office wall and see the proof about my background he so desperalty seeks.

 

[John Stuttle]

sorry for the "big words".

 

[eddie102870]

wish i was that close, id probably be bankrupt

 

[BOOMER]

wish i was that close, id probably be bankrupt

i wish you all were too! we have a Ruby Tuesdays close, we could go there with Dawn and Rachel, after we spent all day at the drag strip. are will still on for a shifter for your brothers Keisler?